Re: Cooking with Copper

[Guest guest]

Ayurveda says that it is actually benificial for the

body

I recall Ayurveda saying that was the case until copper plumbing

became popular. Now, one needs to be more aware--and cautious--of

their copper intake. If one is overweight,for instance, he might

drink out of a copper cup, but only temporarily.

B.

[Guest guest]

> A bigger question may be: how well does Ayurveda jibe with the

> principles of WAPF, NT et. al? I don't know offhand, but I do know

yoga

> quite well. Sri Patanjali coined both yoga and Ayurveda, cmiiw, and

> both are quite compatible. I don't see the connection so easily with

> Price's work and either one. In fact, he derides vegetarian diets in

> general in NAPD:

>

> " It will be noted that vitamin D, which the human does not readily

> synthesize in adequately amounts, must be provided by foods of animal

> tissues or animal products. As yet I have not found a single group of

> primitive racial stock which was building and maintaining excellent

> bodies by living entirely on plant foods. I have found in many

parts of

> the world most devout representatives of modern ethical systems

> advocating restriction of foods to the vegetable products. In every

> instance where the groups were involved had been long under this

> teaching, I found evidence of degeneration in the form of dental

caries,

> and in the new generation in the form of abnormal dental arches to an

> extent very much higher than in the primitive groups who were not under

> this influence. " p. 279

Deanna,

Patanjali did not coin " yoga " , but authored the classical text the

Yoga Sutra of Patanjali. As for Ayurveda, it came from the Vedas,

which are considered the eternal truths of God as revealed to the

Rishis, who were intuitive, supernatural spiritual beings of yore.

As far as how Ayurveda jibes with Price's work, I don't see much of a

disparity, but I am hardly a rigid practitioner. Ayurveda, for me,

works like a holistic system of balance; a way to view patterns in the

world. Analogous to the yin/yang outlook.

Further, nowhere in Ayurveda does it state that one won't achieve

enlightenment by eating meat.

The vast majority of devotees of the Vedic religions eat plenty of

animal foods, even if they're not eating actual flesh AFAIK. It's the

birthplace of ghee and the land of the sacred cow, for the

life-sustaining gifts she brings out of her maternal love. I suspect

you're confusing veganism with vegetarianism. Bone broth is also

widely prescribed in Ayurveda for building strength in the weak.

Pratick, if you read this, will you tell me what they do with all the

calves over there? I've been meaning to ask for a while now. thx.

B.

[Guest guest]

yoga and Ayurveda, cmiiw, and

> both are quite compatible. I don't see the connection so easily with

> Price's work and either one. In fact, he derides vegetarian diets in

> general in NAPD:

>

> " It will be noted that vitamin D, which the human does not readily

> synthesize in adequately amounts, must be provided by foods of animal

> tissues or animal products. As yet I have not found a single group of

> primitive racial stock which was building and maintaining excellent

> bodies by living entirely on plant foods. I have found in many

parts of

> the world most devout representatives of modern ethical systems

> advocating restriction of foods to the vegetable products. In every

> instance where the groups were involved had been long under this

> teaching, I found evidence of degeneration in the form of dental

caries,

> and in the new generation in the form of abnormal dental arches to an

> extent very much higher than in the primitive groups who were not under

> this influence. " p. 279

Deanna,

It's true that the people of north India are considered to have

superior physical structure to those of the south due to their greater

consumption of meat and other, heavier, foods.

B.

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[Guest guest]

> My bad. I meant codified, as in " Patanjali codified yoga and

> Ayurveda. " But I sell him short by limiting, for he also did the

> grammar, the Mahabhasya. So I would argue he wrote great works on

three

> subjects.

Not only is it unlikely he wrote the Charak Samhita or any other

Ayurvedic text, it is unclear whether he was, in fact, human. Save the

argument, please.

> I think Ayurveda is more than yin/yang. And perhaps the tridoshic

> outlook in itself is more complex than yin/yang. However, much of

it is

> steeped in Hindu culture, methinks, yoga as well.

Was merely trying to simplify things for you.

> >Further, nowhere in Ayurveda does it state that one won't achieve

> >enlightenment by eating meat.

> >

> >

> In yoga it definitely does say such things , but I am not so

well-versed

> in Ayurvedic wisdom.

Not sure what you mean by " in yoga " --I repeat, there is nothing in

the Vedas stating that one won't reach enlightenment by eating meat.

Do not confuse the Vedas with any religions and/or dogmas that grew

from them.

Isn't all meat heat producing? Thus aren't pitas

> not good with meat?

One is never pure pitta, but tri-doshic and eats according to what

most needs balancing at the time. Further, any undesirable heating

qualities can be mitigated by preparation and seasoning and condiments

and eaten according to season. Meats specifically suitable for pitta are:

bison

chicken/turkey-white meat

freshwater fish

shrimp

rabbit

venison

all dairy is excellent except if too soured.

But beyond that, is there a science of say protein

> requirements being met for a pita in Ayurveda? Vitamins and minerals:

> Are they considered as micronutrient requirements quantitatively and

> qualitatively? I honestly don't know that much about it, I always

> discounted it slightly.

One would have to examine the person--a unique combination of factors,

not " a pitta " --and determine what is lacking and what is overabundant,

where the imbalances are, to determine the specific nutrient

requirements to bring her optimal health and harmony with her

environment at any given time of her life.

Oh, and the reason why was that I was told by

> an Ayurvedic practitioner that the dosha you were born with never

> changed. That threw me. Is that true? I mean, if I am stuck, even

> though I age, go through x and y situations and a test of dosha

> indicates otherwise ...

Prakruti is the unique doshic combination one is born with, forming

one's constitution and determined by the genetics, diet, lifestyle and

emotions of the parents, among other factors, at the time of

conception. It can only change in rare cases. Vikruti, OTOH is the

present state of the doshas. If the proportions of the two are the

same, excellent health is achieved. Typically, vikruti is out of whack

by not living in harmony with the prakruti. The Ayurvedic physician

measures the difference between the two with diagnostic tests and

formulates a diet and lifestyle program to restore health.

> Oh, which vedic religions advocate plenty of animal foods? Hindu

> Indians have practiced lacto-vegetarianism mainly. And even so, animal

> foods are not widely used.

I don't know what people eat on a day-to-day basis in India. I know

what Ayurvedic books and cookbooks say. I never said any Vedic

religion advocated plenty of animal foods nor that any devotees ate

them beyond dairy products.

Dr. Price himself described a basic diet to his nephews composed

mainly of whole grains, lentils and various vegetables, milk, cheese,

butter, and protein to equal equal an egg each day. Also any seafoods

available.

The cow is sacred for economic as well as

> religious grounds.

I did not mean to indicate otherwise.

The dung and milk were/are worth more than the meat,

> and thus were limited to those purposes by the powers at large. WAPF

> had an article on this very topic and also economic reasons for no pigs

> in Jewish culture. Can't find it now, but often, there are economic,

> political as well as religious influences for certain rules. And they

> may or may not be good for your health!

While I happen to know a lot of these details, I'm not promoting

Ayurveda to anyone. Because it is such an old and traditional system

for health, it fascinates me and I note when it parallels modern

knowledge, and I note when someone incorrectly quotes an Ayurvedic

principle. Otherwise, I don't care to engage for fear of gambits and

misinterpretation.

B.

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I've been replacing my old cookware with copper- though I opted for the

stainless interior because I had no idea how one goes about having something

re-tinned and how much it costs. I've been buying the Mauviel a piece at a

time. Is tin better than stainless and do you have any idea what the cost of

re-tinning is?

Thanks,

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Water boiled in an un-lined tea pot is not harmful.

Ayurveda says that it is actually benificial for the

body.

Tin lined is best. Depending on frequency of use and

acidity of food, may need to be lined every 5-15

years. If a silver dollar's worth of copper is

showing--time for relining.

Don't use nickle lined stuff, as it is toxic.

If you have money, re-line with either silver or gold.

Will never need to be re-lined, non-toxic, and has an

even better conduction factor than copper. If you

happen to find solid silver or gold cookware--BUY IT!,

as it is the best cookware that exists.

Hope this helps you!

JK

[Guest guest]

JK-

>Tin lined is best. Depending on frequency of use and

>acidity of food, may need to be lined every 5-15

>years. If a silver dollar's worth of copper is

>showing--time for relining.

I've heard that copper cookware needs to be retinned more often than that,

and it gives me serious pause to consider that much of that lining is

rubbing off into the food prepared in tinned copper cookware.

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