Re: Lab results-current

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TSH is useless once you are on replacement therapy. Yes, you need

progesterone. Low GI diets are good for thyroid problems. That's what I

am working on changing over to. I have always felt better with higher

protein and complex carbs. I just got two books on Amazon.com and they are

on Half.com. Yes, Armour normally lowers cholesterol. Are you still

having hypo symptoms? If so you might need another 1/4 grain. If you have

symptoms, I personally would ask for a raise.

Here are a few websites:

This is the book I got..

http://www.gidiet.com/en-us/

http://www.geocities.com/topangasunrise/

Kate

At 01:22 PM 2/22/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Group,

>These are current lab results, non-fasting so thyroid scores may be elevated.

> And, yes I am better. I figured I had a three hour productive day until

> last fall and now have a six hour productive part of day so that is

> ....um...100% improvement, but still not were I want to be. Please

> comment. Jan?

>Marilyn

>

>Free T3 4.5H pg/ml Range 2.3 - 4.2

>(Free?) T4 5.9 ug/dl 4.5 - 12.0

>TSH 0.027L uIU/ml 0.350 - 5.500

>Doc thought didn't want to increase thyroid more because didn't want to

>futher suppress TSH. (?) I take 90mg Armour am and usually remember

>another 30mg pm..

>

>DHEA 87 Range 13 - 130

>Pregnenolone 65 ng/dL <20 - 150

>Estradiol 36 H 0 - 31

>Progesterone 1.1 ng/mL Postmenopausal 0.0 -0.7

>Testosterone 57 ng/dL 14 - 76

>

>Cholesterol 252 100 - 199

>Triglycerides 222 0 - 145

>HDL Cholesterol 58 40 - 59

>VLDL Cholesterol Cal 44 5 - 40

>LDL Cholesterol Cal 150 0-99

>

>Doc suggested more progesterone and a low glycemic diet & the Zone

>diet. More protein. I don't know much about diets. I guess I need to

>learn. I thought the Armour would lower the cholesterol.. I was wrong.

>Marilyn

>

>

>

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Adequate thyroid replacement will help lower cholesterol but depending

upon where you started it may not be enough. In your case it isn't.

Zone is OK and so is South Beach from a low glycemic, reducing excess

carb standpoint. That will help get your triglycerides down.

Neither of those will do much for your very high LDL though.

>

> Hi Group,

> These are current lab results, non-fasting so thyroid scores may

be elevated.

> And, yes I am better. I figured I had a three hour productive

day until last fall and now have a six hour productive part of day so

that is ....um...100% improvement, but still not were I want to be.

Please comment. Jan?

> Marilyn

>

> Free T3 4.5H pg/ml Range 2.3 - 4.2

> (Free?) T4 5.9 ug/dl 4.5 - 12.0

> TSH 0.027L uIU/ml 0.350 - 5.500

> Doc thought didn't want to increase thyroid more because didn't

want to futher suppress TSH. (?) I take 90mg Armour am and usually

remember another 30mg pm..

>

> DHEA 87 Range 13 - 130

> Pregnenolone 65 ng/dL <20 - 150

> Estradiol 36 H 0 - 31

> Progesterone 1.1 ng/mL Postmenopausal 0.0 -0.7

> Testosterone 57 ng/dL 14 - 76

>

> Cholesterol 252 100 - 199

> Triglycerides 222 0 - 145

> HDL Cholesterol 58 40 - 59

> VLDL Cholesterol Cal 44

5 - 40

> LDL Cholesterol Cal 150 0-99

>

> Doc suggested more progesterone and a low glycemic diet & the Zone

diet. More protein. I don't know much about diets. I guess I need

to learn. I thought the Armour would lower the cholesterol.. I was

wrong.

> Marilyn

>

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The T4 test is a Total T4 test. It is not valid if your are taking estrogen. Neverthe less, it is quite low in its range, so I would expect your Free T4 to be even lower. I would want to see a Free T4 (direct) before suggesting a medication change. But my guess is that you need to add some Unithroid or Levoxyl to a slightly reduced dose of Armour. It may be that bringing your T4 levels up to an optimal range will bring your cholesterol levels down. In general, you can substitute 35-50 mcg of T4 for 30 mg of your Armour. Fasting or not is not so crucial to your thyroid levels as it is to some other tests. When did you take your Armour, and when was the blood drawn? Some folks do need their Free T3 to be slightly over range to feel well, but at our age, it is probably best to keep it in range. I am sorry to hear that Dr. Noble is a TSH worshipper. At least he is not as bad as some others. It appears that he will accept any measurable TSH, but not totally suppressed. It was nice getting to meet you last week! Marilyn wrote: Hi Group, These are current lab results, non-fasting so thyroid scores may be

elevated. And, yes I am better. I figured I had a three hour productive day until last fall and now have a six hour productive part of day so that is ....um...100% improvement, but still not were I want to be. Please comment. Jan? Marilyn Free T3 4.5H pg/ml Range 2.3 - 4.2 (Free?) T4 5.9 ug/dl 4.5 - 12.0 TSH 0.027L uIU/ml 0.350 - 5.500 Doc thought didn't want to increase thyroid more because didn't want to futher suppress TSH. (?) I take 90mg Armour am and usually remember another 30mg pm.. DHEA 87 Range 13 - 130 Pregnenolone 65

ng/dL <20 - 150 Estradiol 36 H 0 - 31 Progesterone 1.1 ng/mL Postmenopausal 0.0 -0.7 Testosterone 57 ng/dL 14 - 76 Cholesterol 252 100 - 199 Triglycerides 222 0 - 145 HDL Cholesterol 58 40 - 59 VLDL Cholesterol

Cal 44 5 - 40 LDL Cholesterol Cal 150 0-99 Doc suggested more progesterone and a low glycemic diet & the Zone diet. More protein. I don't know much about diets. I guess I need to learn. I thought the Armour would lower the cholesterol.. I was wrong. Marilyn

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Marilyn

The fact that you didn't fast before having cholesterol and triglyceride testing frankly makes these tests null and void, for those purposes. For cholesterol and triclyceride testing, you need at least a 10 hr fast, if not 12 hrs. Mine was a full 11 hrs, with a few sips of water at different intervals, no coffee with sugar or creamer, and absolutely no food. This is a must for these tests. It doesn't matter for the thyroid testing at all. IMO, it could be not so good that your estradiol is raised, even though your progesterone looks well above normal for a postmenopausal woman. Maybe it's the height of the estrogen that he's looking at when he says that he wants you to raise your progesterone?? Can't remember, have you said that you take estrogens and progesterone, or is that just your natural blood levels of both? One thing some people don't know is that progesterone CAN raise the cholesterol levels, though not necessarily. This I found out way back in the 80s, when I was put on it. But then, that was a progestoGEN that I was taking, so it may not apply to the natural stuff. I'm on the cream myself, so I've been watching that myself. You can google on that and see what you come up with there. The TSH is nothing to think about, I run a .00 something MOST of the time, and it's had nothing to do with where my thyroid hormones sit, most of the time. Your Free T4 looks so proportionately low, compared to the Free T3, even for someone on Armour-only. Seems like the former would be slightly higher than that, with that Free T3 there. I don't have young children in my house most of the time, so I put my thyroid meds right there with my keyboard. That's the only thing that helps me to remember them all the time. Plus, there is a tiny dose that I take to work with me every night also. When my grandchildren come, then I put it up where they can't reach it. This is the only way I can make my memory work on those things. Yes, it looks like the low glycemic diet would be better for you. I'm not on any particular diet with a name on it. There is another post I did today, saying what I generally eat, but I'm certainly not perfect with my diet either, and different people need different types of things in their own diet because our bodies are all so different. There are a few things I could do away with. I've "gotten away with it", but probably need to go ahead and make some changes, especially when it comes to those machines at work, lol!

Lab results-current

Hi Group,

These are current lab results, non-fasting so thyroid scores may be elevated.

And, yes I am better. I figured I had a three hour productive day until last fall and now have a six hour productive part of day so that is ....um...100% improvement, but still not were I want to be. Please comment. Jan?

Marilyn

Free T3 4.5H pg/ml Range 2.3 - 4.2

(Free?) T4 5.9 ug/dl 4.5 - 12.0

TSH 0.027L uIU/ml 0.350 - 5.500

Doc thought didn't want to increase thyroid more because didn't want to futher suppress TSH. (?) I take 90mg Armour am and usually remember another 30mg pm..

DHEA 87 Range 13 - 130

Pregnenolone 65 ng/dL <20 - 150

Estradiol 36 H 0 - 31

Progesterone 1.1 ng/mL Postmenopausal 0.0 -0.7

Testosterone 57 ng/dL 14 - 76

Cholesterol 252 100 - 199

Triglycerides 222 0 - 145

HDL Cholesterol 58 40 - 59

VLDL Cholesterol Cal 44 5 - 40

LDL Cholesterol Cal 150 0-99

Doc suggested more progesterone and a low glycemic diet & the Zone diet. More protein. I don't know much about diets. I guess I need to learn. I thought the Armour would lower the cholesterol.. I was wrong.

Marilyn

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Limiting carbs (including excess alcohol) will lower triglycerides.

Exercise and moderate alcohol will increase HDL.

If you have a horrible diet, changing that can lower LDL (see SuperSize me.)

Getting your thyroid meds optimized can lower LDL. Ultimately the

only thing that really lowers LDL to ideal levels are meds. Most

of us who have high LDL simply make too much and nothing but meds will

change that.

However please understand that I am married to and work with a doc and

we have both had extensive exposure to some of the major lipid

researchers at both UT Southwestern and Baylor - Houston who feel based

on their research no LDL is too low and no HDL is too high.

I have been on a statin for years and my last HDL was 78 and LDL was

64. I also work out 5 days a week, and drink red wine several

times a week. And eat what approaches a low carb diet.

> >> > Hi Group,> > These are current lab results, non-fasting so thyroid scores may> be elevated.> > And, yes I am better. I figured I had a three hour productive> day until last fall and now have a six hour productive part of day so> that is ....um...100% improvement, but still not were I want to be. > Please comment. Jan?> > Marilyn> > > > Free T3 4.5H pg/ml Range 2.3 - 4.2> > (Free?) T4 5.9 ug/dl 4.5 - 12.0> > TSH 0.027L uIU/ml 0.350 - 5.500> > Doc thought didn't want to increase thyroid more because didn't> want to futher suppress TSH. (?) I take 90mg Armour am and usually> remember another 30mg pm..> > > > DHEA 87 Range 13 - 130> > Pregnenolone 65 ng/dL <20 - 150> > Estradiol 36 H 0 - 31> > Progesterone 1.1 ng/mL Postmenopausal 0.0 -0.7> > Testosterone 57 ng/dL 14 - 76 > > > > Cholesterol 252 100 - 199> > Triglycerides 222 0 - 145> > HDL Cholesterol 58 40 - 59> > VLDL Cholesterol Cal 44 > > 5 - 40> > LDL Cholesterol Cal 150 0-99 > > > > Doc suggested more progesterone and a low glycemic diet & the Zone> diet. More protein. I don't know much about diets. I guess I need> to learn. I thought the Armour would lower the cholesterol.. I was> wrong.> > Marilyn> >> > > > > > >

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Your total cholesterol is irrelevant. If your total is 180 you could

have HDL of 20 and LDL of 160. That's bad. And we had a patient this

week with numbers very similar to that.

Or you could have HDL of 90 and LDL of 90. Unusual but not bad. We

had another this week with HDL and LDL in the 80s.

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Fasting really only affects triglycerides.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I am glad I had a chance to meet you, also, and the rest of the Hypothyroid group. Since I arrived an hour early ( my mistake) I was tired before the dinner was over. I think getting together occasionally is a very good idea. Amazing that you remembered my name and the name of my doctor. I suspect I go in a "trance" when in a doctor's or dentist's office. I don't do my best thinking there. I am so frustrated that the doc ordered the wrong T4 test and that he said it didn't matter that I had not fasted. NEXT TIME, I will write down what I want and decline the test if I have not fasted. I am frustrated with myself. Your email response brought up some questions: 1. Is Unithroid or Levoxyl T4? 2. At our age, why would we not want T3 above range? I took my Armour about 2 hours before the blood test. Maybe I

should just try a Statin for my cholesterol. Thanks for your time. MarilynJan wrote: The T4 test is a Total T4 test. It is not valid if your are taking estrogen. Neverthe less, it is quite low in its range, so I would expect your Free T4 to be even lower. I would want to see a Free T4 (direct) before suggesting a medication change. But my guess is that you need to add some Unithroid or Levoxyl to a slightly reduced dose of Armour. It may be that bringing your T4 levels up to an optimal range will bring your cholesterol levels down. In general, you can substitute 35-50 mcg of T4 for 30 mg of your Armour. Fasting or not is not so crucial to your thyroid levels as it is to some other tests. When did you take your Armour, and when was the blood drawn? Some folks do need their Free T3 to be slightly over range to feel well, but at our age, it is probably best to keep it in range. I am sorry to hear that Dr. Noble is a TSH worshipper. At least he is not as bad as some others. It appears that he will accept any measurable TSH, but not totally suppressed. It was nice getting to meet you last week! Marilyn

wrote: Hi Group, These are current lab results, non-fasting so thyroid scores may be elevated. And, yes I am better. I figured I had a three hour productive day until last fall and now have a six hour productive part of day so that is ....um...100% improvement, but still not were I want to be. Please comment. Jan? Marilyn Free T3 4.5H pg/ml Range 2.3 - 4.2 (Free?)

T4 5.9 ug/dl 4.5 - 12.0 TSH 0.027L uIU/ml 0.350 - 5.500 Doc thought didn't want to increase thyroid more because didn't want to futher suppress TSH. (?) I take 90mg Armour am and usually remember another 30mg pm.. DHEA 87 Range 13 - 130 Pregnenolone 65 ng/dL <20 - 150 Estradiol 36 H 0 - 31 Progesterone 1.1

ng/mL Postmenopausal 0.0 -0.7 Testosterone 57 ng/dL 14 - 76 Cholesterol 252 100 - 199 Triglycerides 222 0 -

145 HDL Cholesterol 58 40 - 59 VLDL Cholesterol Cal 44 5 - 40 LDL Cholesterol Cal 150 0-99 Doc suggested more progesterone and a low glycemic diet & the Zone diet. More

protein. I don't know much about diets. I guess I need to learn. I thought the Armour would lower the cholesterol.. I was wrong. Marilyn Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

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Unithroid, Levoxyl, Levothroid, $ynthroid and generic levothyroxine are all T4 meds. A Free T3 over range (or too high for us) may put us at risk for a heart attack, especially those of us over about 55 or 60. A few folks may need their Free T3 slightlyover range, but that position is to be approached slowly and with great caution. Marilyn wrote: Yes, I am glad I had a chance to meet you, also, and the rest of the Hypothyroid group. Since I arrived an hour early ( my mistake) I was tired before the dinner was over. I think getting together occasionally is a very good idea. Amazing

that you remembered my name and the name of my doctor. I suspect I go in a "trance" when in a doctor's or dentist's office. I don't do my best thinking there. I am so frustrated that the doc ordered the wrong T4 test and that he said it didn't matter that I had not fasted. NEXT TIME, I will write down what I want and decline the test if I have not fasted. I am frustrated with myself. Your email response brought up some questions: 1. Is Unithroid or Levoxyl T4? 2. At our age, why would we not want T3 above range? I took my Armour about 2 hours before the blood test. Maybe I should just try a Statin for my cholesterol. Thanks for your

time. MarilynJan wrote: The T4 test is a Total T4 test. It is not valid if your are taking estrogen. Neverthe less, it is quite low in its range, so I would expect your Free T4 to be even lower. I would want to see a Free T4 (direct) before suggesting a medication change. But my guess is that you need to add some Unithroid or Levoxyl to a slightly reduced dose of Armour. It may be that bringing your T4 levels up to an optimal range will bring your cholesterol levels down. In general, you can substitute 35-50 mcg of T4 for 30 mg of your Armour. Fasting or not is

not so crucial to your thyroid levels as it is to some other tests. When did you take your Armour, and when was the blood drawn? Some folks do need their Free T3 to be slightly over range to feel well, but at our age, it is probably best to keep it in range. I am sorry to hear that Dr. Noble is a TSH worshipper. At least he is not as bad as some others. It appears that he will accept any measurable TSH, but not totally suppressed. It was nice getting to meet you last week! Marilyn

wrote: Hi Group, These are current lab results, non-fasting so thyroid scores may be elevated. And, yes I am better. I figured I had a three hour productive day until last fall and now have a six hour productive part of day so that is ....um...100% improvement, but still not were I want to be. Please comment. Jan? Marilyn Free T3 4.5H pg/ml Range 2.3 - 4.2 (Free?)

T4 5.9 ug/dl 4.5 - 12.0 TSH 0.027L uIU/ml 0.350 - 5.500 Doc thought didn't want to increase thyroid more because didn't want to futher suppress TSH. (?) I take 90mg Armour am and usually remember another 30mg pm.. DHEA 87 Range 13 - 130 Pregnenolone 65 ng/dL <20 - 150 Estradiol 36 H 0 - 31 Progesterone 1.1

ng/mL Postmenopausal 0.0 -0.7 Testosterone 57 ng/dL 14 - 76 Cholesterol 252 100 - 199 Triglycerides 222 0 -

145 HDL Cholesterol 58 40 - 59 VLDL Cholesterol Cal 44 5 - 40 LDL Cholesterol Cal 150 0-99 Doc suggested more progesterone and a low glycemic diet & the Zone diet. More

protein. I don't know much about diets. I guess I need to learn. I thought the Armour would lower the cholesterol.. I was wrong. Marilyn

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