Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 On 10/3/05, jmb20346 <jmb20346@...> wrote: > I noticed on this list there is a few med students and such. I was > wondering, after being on this group and listening to people talk > about alternative medicine all the time, what's going to happen if you > get your degrees and start working in a medical facility and see how > corrupt it is? The pharmas will try to brainwash you into using their > drugs, etc. Then if you decide to recommend natural products you will > be blackballed by the medical profession and maybe lose your licenses. Since I didn't notice anyone saying they are med students, I'm guessing this is directed at me and Nina, who both said we were considering med school. I don't see the picture anywhere near as bleak as you do. If there is some grand conspiracy where the pharmaceutical companies strip doctors of their licenses if they do not use their products-- and I don't believe there is-- then there are plenty of doctors who manage to escape their view. My doctor runs a family practice accross the street from me and she has NT in her waiting room, recommends raw meat, etc. She is a DO and the two MDs who work under her seem pretty cool too. MDs and DOs have much more credibility and prestige than alternative certifications and their programs are much more rigorous. They are fully licensed to practice medicine in all 50 states, which gives you a lot of flexibility, as well as the ability to become the primary care physician of an individual or entire family. Chris -- Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound so bleak! I also didn't mean you shouldn't go to med school, but I was just wondering if you would continue your education on nutrition if you found out that drugs and surgery weren't curing anyone? I do know that there are some MD's and DO's that will practice natural healing but it's limited because the medical profession frowns on it. Also, if they use more healing than drugs, the FDA will shut them down. Most of your naturopaths have gone to med school and just continued on with their education because they wanted to help heal people. You're right, the pharmaceutical companies cannot strip doctors of their licenses but the FDA can. They have to be very careful. But you will find all this out once you get into practice. I believe that you won't be one of the money hungry doctors that let the pharmaceutical companies control them. You know too much about health and nutrition. Again, I apologize if I was misunderstood or if I offended you in any way. That was not my intention. Judy > Since I didn't notice anyone saying they are med students, I'm > guessing this is directed at me and Nina, who both said we were > considering med school. > > I don't see the picture anywhere near as bleak as you do. If there is > some grand conspiracy where the pharmaceutical companies strip doctors > of their licenses if they do not use their products-- and I don't > believe there is-- then there are plenty of doctors who manage to > escape their view. My doctor runs a family practice accross the > street from me and she has NT in her waiting room, recommends raw > meat, etc. She is a DO and the two MDs who work under her seem pretty > cool too. > > MDs and DOs have much more credibility and prestige than alternative > certifications and their programs are much more rigorous. They are > fully licensed to practice medicine in all 50 states, which gives you > a lot of flexibility, as well as the ability to become the primary > care physician of an individual or entire family. > > Chris > > -- > Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain > And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side- Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 You are forgetting a whole group of Doctors who can practice alternative type approaches legally -- Chiropractors. I know they don't have the clout of M.D.'s, but it is another avenue for someone to go, if he/she doesn't want to go the M.D., or nutritional consultant route. Nutrition is part of their scope of practice in most states and a growing number use Native Nutrition principles. Placing promo infomation in one of their trade journals for Weston Price and/or conference/tapes I think would be money well spent. jafa --- jmb20346 <jmb20346@...> wrote: > I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound so bleak! > I also didn't > mean you shouldn't go to med school, but I was just > wondering if you > would continue your education on nutrition if you > found out that > drugs and surgery weren't curing anyone? > > I do know that there are some MD's and DO's that > will practice > natural healing but it's limited because the medical > profession > frowns on it. Also, if they use more healing than > drugs, the FDA > will shut them down. > > Most of your naturopaths have gone to med school and > just continued > on with their education because they wanted to help > heal people. > > You're right, the pharmaceutical companies cannot > strip doctors of > their licenses but the FDA can. They have to be very > careful. But > you will find all this out once you get into > practice. I believe > that you won't be one of the money hungry doctors > that let the > pharmaceutical companies control them. You know too > much about > health and nutrition. > > Again, I apologize if I was misunderstood or if I > offended you in > any way. That was not my intention. > > Judy > > > > Since I didn't notice anyone saying they are med > students, I'm > > guessing this is directed at me and Nina, who both > said we were > > considering med school. > > > > I don't see the picture anywhere near as bleak as > you do. If > there is > > some grand conspiracy where the pharmaceutical > companies strip > doctors > > of their licenses if they do not use their > products-- and I don't > > believe there is-- then there are plenty of > doctors who manage to > > escape their view. My doctor runs a family > practice accross the > > street from me and she has NT in her waiting room, > recommends raw > > meat, etc. She is a DO and the two MDs who work > under her seem > pretty > > cool too. > > > > MDs and DOs have much more credibility and > prestige than > alternative > > certifications and their programs are much more > rigorous. They are > > fully licensed to practice medicine in all 50 > states, which gives > you > > a lot of flexibility, as well as the ability to > become the primary > > care physician of an individual or entire family. > > > > Chris > > > > -- > > Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain > > And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: > > > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side- > Effects.html > > > ______________________________________________________ for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Judy, I think licenses are usually stripped by the AMA, not the FDA, and I don't think it happens very often. It isn't true that drugs and surgeries don't save lives-- though it is true that many drugs and surgeries are used that don't, or that do harm. Jafa, I recognize there are various alternative licenses for various alternative therapies, but chiropracters are very limited. DO's use therapy that is similar to chiropractic therapy, but can also do everything else, including prescribe medication where appropriate. Chiropractic therapy has its use, but chriopractors are not primary care physicians, but specialists of a sort. Chris -- Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Hi Jafa, I agree with you, my naturopath is a licensed chiropractor which gives him a lot of leeway. He has a lot of patients and spends a lot of time at seminars and also gives seminars on health. Judy > > You are forgetting a whole group of Doctors who can > practice alternative type approaches legally -- > Chiropractors. I know they don't have the clout of > M.D.'s, but it is another avenue for someone to go, if > he/she doesn't want to go the M.D., or nutritional > consultant route. Nutrition is part of their scope of > practice in most states and a growing number use > Native Nutrition principles. Placing promo infomation > in one of their trade journals for Weston Price and/or > conference/tapes I think would be money well spent. > > jafa > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 I only brought it up to point out that it is another avenue a person can go in to practice nutrition with a license. I know their scope of practice is less than an MD or DO. Some people might not want that broad of a range, but may want to treat subluxations, as well as offering nutrition. I've seen many a persons ills, including digestive, improve with adjustments. Just another alternative. jafa --- Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: > Judy, > > I think licenses are usually stripped by the AMA, > not the FDA, and I > don't think it happens very often. It isn't true > that drugs and > surgeries don't save lives-- though it is true that > many drugs and > surgeries are used that don't, or that do harm. > > Jafa, I recognize there are various alternative > licenses for various > alternative therapies, but chiropracters are very > limited. DO's use > therapy that is similar to chiropractic therapy, but > can also do > everything else, including prescribe medication > where appropriate. > Chiropractic therapy has its use, but chriopractors > are not primary > care physicians, but specialists of a sort. > > Chris > > > -- > Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain > And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html > __________________________________ - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Licenses are stripped by the AMA but is usually prompted by the FDA since they are the ones in control. If you don't believe that, due some research on it on Rense and some other underground news sites. They usually get information that the media won't tell us about. Most surgeries are unnecessary but some do save lives, especially with accident victims. My research has proven that heart surgery and hysterectomies are unnecessary but thousands are done every day. Judy > Judy, > > I think licenses are usually stripped by the AMA, not the FDA, and I > don't think it happens very often. It isn't true that drugs and > surgeries don't save lives-- though it is true that many drugs and > surgeries are used that don't, or that do harm. > > Jafa, I recognize there are various alternative licenses for various > alternative therapies, but chiropracters are very limited. DO's use > therapy that is similar to chiropractic therapy, but can also do > everything else, including prescribe medication where appropriate. > Chiropractic therapy has its use, but chriopractors are not primary > care physicians, but specialists of a sort. > > Chris > > > -- > Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain > And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side- Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Just jumping in -- a great many hysterectomies are unnecessary, however, mine was done to remove uterine cancer, so you really can't make a blanket statement that ALL of them are unnecessary. My cancer was hereditary, my grandmother, aunt and mother all had it - - but could have been triggered by eating crappy food, since we all did at some point in our lives... Ann > > Judy, > > > > I think licenses are usually stripped by the AMA, not the FDA, and > I > > don't think it happens very often. It isn't true that drugs and > > surgeries don't save lives-- though it is true that many drugs and > > surgeries are used that don't, or that do harm. > > > > Jafa, I recognize there are various alternative licenses for > various > > alternative therapies, but chiropracters are very limited. DO's > use > > therapy that is similar to chiropractic therapy, but can also do > > everything else, including prescribe medication where appropriate. > > Chiropractic therapy has its use, but chriopractors are not primary > > care physicians, but specialists of a sort. > > > > Chris > > > > > > -- > > Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain > > And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: > > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side- > Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Chris- >My doctor runs a family practice accross the >street from me and she has NT in her waiting room, recommends raw >meat, etc. She is a DO and the two MDs who work under her seem pretty >cool too. That's great, but she's running a huge risk. If a patient she's advised to eat fat and raw meat and the like has a heart attack, she'll be liable for malpractice for violating the standard of care. If she takes a patient off statins and he has a heart attack, same thing. Etc. etc. etc. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 On 10/20/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote: > Chris- > > >My doctor runs a family practice accross the > >street from me and she has NT in her waiting room, recommends raw > >meat, etc. She is a DO and the two MDs who work under her seem pretty > >cool too. > > That's great, but she's running a huge risk. If a patient she's advised to > eat fat and raw meat and the like has a heart attack, she'll be liable for > malpractice for violating the standard of care. If she takes a patient off > statins and he has a heart attack, same thing. Etc. etc. etc. Right. I should also add that it was my mom she recommended eating raw meat too, so I'm not sure she says this to everyone. She does keep a copy of NT in her room for patients to read while waiting (with a few other things), but it's also possible that she was more open with my mom because she knows she's my mom and knows that I'm down with raw meat. I have no reason to think that, but no reason to rule it out either. Chris -- Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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