Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 In a message dated 3/17/2003 12:15:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:21:37 -0000 > From: " Kathy Winters " <rwinters@...> > Subject: Re: Tammy-going no mail > > <snowyowlstar@w...> wrote: > Good Luck, Tammy! Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Thanks Anne!!! Love Tammy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Hi Amy! You wrote....... more questions...I am on pg 144 of the enzymes and autism book right now...I was going to go ahead and order some of the houston products....which ones to start with???...The AFP or not and the HN or not.... this book reads like . I am doing this elim diet and everything i introduce he seems to be affected by... how can chick- peas be unhealthy??!! I think at the very least I want to give enzymes a try. My dh and I argue about the diet all the time- we even argued tonight about arguing about it.....very frustrated... I have had similar problems....can you let dh read the book first? Would he... The diet isn't fun and it isn't easy or cheap.... Many of the things that are supposed to be healthy....my kids couldn't tolerate either because of allergies...and high phenol levels....we have had to go with low phenols and salicyclates....it has made a tremendous difference...but it isn't easy......and I guess that is the key...it works.... Many of the health foods just don't work with these kids.... mine can't have yogurt or beans or zuccini or broccoli or a lot of the goodies that are supposed to be good for you...including soy and corn....it makes no sense to me...cuz when I read the Bible it says that certain foods are good for the body and my kids can't have any of em....and that is sad...but I know this plan works....we are just gonna start the enzymes next week and hoping to be able to add more variety to our meals....keep on trying.....and try to work withd dh somehow....you need his support....it is much easier than without.....but I have done without it ...until my dh figured out i was right... Keep your chin up and keep at it.....you are on the right track....unfortunately it isn't always an easy one. ronni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 >>One could say the same of the decision on the mother's part, since it is the baby's body ultimately on the line. The differnece between such a decision and that of leaving your child in a car on a hot day for a couple hours is essentially one of degree. Not quite. Obviously, the latter is an immediate and irredeemable death sentence, and the former may damage some while not having so great an effect on others, and also may be healed in time. And the act of shutting the door involves no suffering on the mother's part. For some women, breastfeeding involves continuous suffering for a period of time, and it can stress the system even when it's gotten easier. I went into preganancy robustly healthy and ate as well as I could while nursing but still had some dreadful experiences. This isn't a perfect analogy by a long shot, but a man bitching women out for not breastfeeding is sort of like women insisting that men must go to war cause it's necessary to insure security and resources for the children - regardless of the individual man's beliefs, experiences, mental/ physical/emotional state, etc. It's really not my job to tell a man to just suck it up, quit being such a fricken spineless baby, and get in that foxhole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 On 9/15/05, Mati Senerchia <senerchia@...> wrote: > Not quite. Obviously, the latter is an immediate and irredeemable death > sentence, and the former may damage some while not having so great an effect > on others, and also may be healed in time. And the act of shutting the door > involves no suffering on the mother's part. > > For some women, breastfeeding involves continuous suffering for a period of > time, and it can stress the system even when it's gotten easier. I went > into preganancy robustly healthy and ate as well as I could while nursing > but still had some dreadful experiences. > > This isn't a perfect analogy by a long shot, but a man bitching women out > for not breastfeeding is sort of like women insisting that men must go to > war cause it's necessary to insure security and resources for the children - > regardless of the individual man's beliefs, experiences, mental/ > physical/emotional state, etc. It's really not my job to tell a man to just > suck it up, quit being such a fricken spineless baby, and get in that > foxhole. Right but you're taking a single tongue-in-cheek sentence and assumign it to encapsulate 's entire view, when I believe the view he has expressed more extensively in the past is more sensible than the caricature that would be derived from an isolated tongue-in-cheek statement. I can't speak for , but I will say that quite clearly there are a variety of problems mothers face in breastfeeding a child, and there is an *enormous* difference between opting for formula because one simply cannot produce enough milk, or cannot produce the milk without other complications, etc, and opting for formula out of, say, convenience. The issue is clearly complex. On the other hand, formula is clearly overused, and the mothers (and fathers) DO in fact bear responsiblity for how they feed and treat their children! It isn't a gender issue. A father who fails to support his partner in such a way to enable her to provide the best nourishment for their baby is just as culpable as the mother. Chris -- Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 , I'm sorry not to know, but are you married with kids? A grandfather? Uncle? Remember being nursed? Remember NOT being nursed? I'm just trying to put your comments in context. Connie H. --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Chris- > > >I can't speak for , but I will say that quite clearly there are a > >variety of problems mothers face in breastfeeding a child, and there > >is an *enormous* difference between opting for formula because one > >simply cannot produce enough milk, or cannot produce the milk without > >other complications, etc, and opting for formula out of, say, > >convenience. The issue is clearly complex. On the other hand, > >formula is clearly overused, and the mothers (and fathers) DO in fact > >bear responsiblity for how they feed and treat their children! > > I think it's important to distinguish between the likes of Enfamil and a > breast milk replacement of the sort WAPF recommends preparing at home if > needed. And regardless of the motivations, a mother feeding her baby > something like Enfamil will do that baby serious harm. The exact nature > and degree of the harm will depend on a lot of factors (including whether > the formula is soy-based or milk-based) but a significant measure of harm > is inevitable. Ignorance is certainly behind many decisions to use > formula, but that has no bearing on the amount of harm done. > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 , So many of your statements discomfort, discourage, dismay me. I am hoping to find a way to be able to accept what you say within a context of who you are and what your personal experiences have been. I happen to agree that breast milk is best and that canned formulas are not healthy. But I see it as a tragedy for all concerned where as you are willing to use the word " evil " towards those mothers who for whatever reason (including ignorance?) use store bought formulas. This is such a huge gap that I'm trying, at least in my own mind, to figure out why you might do that. I do know that you have not personally nursed a baby. But what personal experience do you have? Is this all theory for you? Connie Hampton (not Brown) I'm not trying to be argumentative or abrasive, just really curious. --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Connie- > > >I'm sorry not to know, but are you married with kids? A > >grandfather? Uncle? Remember being nursed? Remember NOT being > >nursed? > >I'm just trying to put your comments in context. > > What does any of this have to do with what I said? Which, in the interest > of convenience, I'll reproduce here: > > I think it's important to distinguish between the likes of Enfamil and > a breast milk replacement of the sort WAPF recommends preparing at home > if needed. And regardless of the motivations, a mother feeding her baby > something like Enfamil will do that baby serious harm. The exact nature > and degree of the harm will depend on a lot of factors (including > whether the formula is soy-based or milk-based) but a significant measure > of harm is inevitable. Ignorance is certainly behind many decisions to use > formula, but that has no bearing on the amount of harm done. > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Connie- > > But what personal experience do > >you have? Is this all theory for you? > > I object quite strongly to the notion that personal experience is required > for " real " knowledge, though as I said, for all you know I'm a nursing > mother of three, as I'm pretty sure we haven't met. > > > > > - I said nothing about " real " knowledge. But just as communication is less than 10% the words and the rest in tone of voice, body language, context, etc., conversation on a board like this one relies on context and previous posts to be able to understand what someone is attempting to communicate. The " merits " of a statement can be completely mis-judged without context as you have been arguing yourself. For me, although perhaps not for you, the context includes personal/life experience. Your choice to say that you might well be " a nursing mother of three " rather than to actually answer the question honestly gives me all the context I need. Too bad, sometimes you have said interesting things. Connie H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > (I could just as well say that your refusal to address the content of what > I said tells me everything I need to know.) > > > > > - What content?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Hi , I agree with you that you don't have to have personal experience to have real knowledge. I know about a lot of things that I've researched and just used common sense about but have not had personal experience about them. But if you notice, if you don't have a degree, people don't listen to you! Judy --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Connie- > > >So many of your statements discomfort, discourage, dismay me. I am > >hoping to find a way to be able to accept what you say within a > >context of who you are and what your personal experiences have > >been. > > I'm sorry you feel that way, but my statements stand (or fall) on their own > merits. > > >as you are willing to use the word " evil " towards those mothers who > >for whatever reason (including ignorance?) use store bought > >formulas. This is such a huge gap that I'm trying > > Actually, I think the only true evil is the lack of a sense of humor. > > >I do know that you > >have not personally nursed a baby. > > How do you know I'm not actually a mother using " " as a pseudonym? > > > But what personal experience do > >you have? Is this all theory for you? > > I object quite strongly to the notion that personal experience is required > for " real " knowledge, though as I said, for all you know I'm a nursing > mother of three, as I'm pretty sure we haven't met. > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 , I agree, that's why I won't listen to any of them! Just think, if doctors knew how to heal people there wouldn't be so many deaths from drugs and surgeries! But then, it's not about healing, it's about money. Judy --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Judy- > > >But if you notice, if you don't have > >a degree, people don't listen to you! > > Yeah, which is ironic, since MDs and nutritionists and dieticians and the > like sure have crappy educations in nutrition! > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Ron, They call it brainwashing! The media does a good job of it. You may want to educate yourself on health instead of sickness. Be more like the minority who believes in natural healing, that is the only healing! Judy > > > >But if you notice, if you don't have > > >a degree, people don't listen to you! > > > > Yeah, which is ironic, since MDs and nutritionists and > > dieticians and the > > like sure have crappy educations in nutrition! > > > > This is absolutely ridiculous but I find even my relatively knowledgeable > self succumbing in a big way. I am really able to listen to the experiences > of others as relayed here on the Internet. In fact, I tend to prefer that > kind of information at this point. But if you've written a book or hold > yourself up as some kind of professional I mentally, uncontrollably default > to the guys with degrees in spite of myself. Just nuts. Bad programming. > > Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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