Re: Having to teach or convince doctor

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I don't want to be ungracious but I really don't want a doctor who is "teachable" or that I have to convince what to test for or prescribe. I don't want a doctor who is willing to learn from me because I don't know all this stuff. I want an expert, a professional who has studied and kept up with the relevant field(s) and hopefully has experience successfully treating people with problems like mine. That he/she would research my problems extensively after my first visit would be as lenient as I would want to be. Thanks, I have wanted to say that for sometime. I hope my opinion is not offensive if we do not agree. Marilynjytdtp wrote: Hi Katy,That is

so weird that all these doctors don’t test T3 and T4 - - both mine did and do... I feel so bad for everyone that has a doctor that won’t do it — but just so you all know you CAN test at home – it’s not cheap but you can by lab kits to send off to get your homrones, cholesterol and even TSH T3 and T4 -- I have done them all~! :)I am on just T4 now but have never felt it “did anything” but get my numbers in line — so I am asking for T3 to be added since I was still gaining weight on the T4 with “normal” levels — I want my TSH down at 1 or below and am asking for Cytomel when I go on the 7th of March — I talked to my endo on the phone and she says she will try me on it at my request--- ! I feel so fortunate to have found her... Let me know how you do back on the armour — isn’t that T4 and T3?? So you were taking that PLUS extra T4? Did your doc know your levels before putting you back on the armour and did he say anything about the heart racing?

My first endo seemed to feel he was exclusive in treating my thryoid and couldn’t “deal with” any side effects of what his meds did so I did change to the doc I have now and I must say she does listen very carefully and allow for full input... Sue Thanks Sue J No, the docs didn’t tell me to stop all thyroid meds and I don’t know if it is safe or not, but I sure felt a lot better over the weekend because of it. I saw the doctor this afternoon and he had me start taking the armour again but not the T4. I get another blood test in a month to see how that’s working. This doctor doesn’t test t3 or t4 though, only TSH and he likes to keep it around 2. Grrrrrr…….One

doctor that doesn’t believe in armour and one that only goes by tsh!! I can’t wait to get my np license, LOL Take Care,Katy From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of jytdtpSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:40 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Help! Armour & T4 - Hashi'sHi Katy,Did the docs tell you to

stop all your Thyroid meds and is that safe? That would be my first concern.As far as the racing heart, I have read that beta blockers can help a lot with that... Have you discussed that with any of your docs?Hope you feel better soon....!Sue

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When you find him/her let me know! ha ha

Lynn

At 03:27 PM 2/22/2006, you wrote:

>I don't want to be ungracious but I really don't want a doctor who is

> " teachable " or that I have to convince what to test for or prescribe. I

>don't want a doctor who is willing to learn from me because I don't know

>all this stuff. I want an expert, a professional who has studied and kept

>up with the relevant field(s) and hopefully has experience successfully

>treating people with problems like mine. That he/she would research my

>problems extensively after my first visit would be as lenient as I would

>want to be.

>

>Thanks, I have wanted to say that for sometime. I hope my opinion is not

>offensive if we do not agree.

>Marilyn

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn — it’s so fortunate to find a doctor in this day and age that knows EXACTLY what you YOU need every step of the way and if not, will spend the time specifically researching you — it sounds like you have that and THREE CHEERS for you cuz all this other stuff sounds so frustrating and I feel so bad for everyone who can’t get a good doctor and feel better.

My doc is an expert but I am always the “exception to any case” and know that and have had to live with that all my life — if a side effect is rare, I get it...if there’s a one in a million, it seems to happen to me .. It’s just that way and I have learned to cope with that and persevere...

I can understand that most doctors who accept insurance are BOUND by RULES they MUST follow — I was told this by one excellent physician I had who would NOT do that and so he quit – flat out and went into private practice, no insurance. Most doctors are not allowed to do anymore than get you “in normal range” as laid out by the Insurance companies — they cannot go that extra mile unless you ask them or they risk their practice – it sounds unbelievable but it’s true.. And has horrible consequences.

I do like a doctor who can learn from the patient cuz the patient is the best judge — many times symptoms over lap as is my case — I am hypo and hashis but also menopausal and also have anxiety so I have many things going on all of which affect each other so we need to take it one step at a time and learn as we go along what works best.

I think a good rapport, good communication and positive results are the best yardstick for finding the best doctor and treatment.

What area are you in and who’s your doc? Have you had 100 percent success in treatment and if so, I know we would all love to be in your shoes.

Thanks for your input...!

Sue

I don't want to be ungracious but I really don't want a doctor who is " teachable " or that I have to convince what to test for or prescribe. I don't want a doctor who is willing to learn from me because I don't know all this stuff. I want an expert, a professional who has studied and kept up with the relevant field(s) and hopefully has experience successfully treating people with problems like mine. That he/she would research my problems extensively after my first visit would be as lenient as I would want to be.

Thanks, I have wanted to say that for sometime. I hope my opinion is not offensive if we do not agree.

Marilyn

jytdtp wrote:

Hi Katy,

That is so weird that all these doctors don’t test T3 and T4 - - both mine did and do... I feel so bad for everyone that has a doctor that won’t do it — but just so you all know you CAN test at home – it’s not cheap but you can by lab kits to send off to get your homrones, cholesterol and even TSH T3 and T4 -- I have done them all~!

I am on just T4 now but have never felt it “did anything” but get my numbers in line — so I am asking for T3 to be added since I was still gaining weight on the T4 with “normal” levels — I want my TSH down at 1 or below and am asking for Cytomel when I go on the 7th of March — I talked to my endo on the phone and she says she will try me on it at my request--- ! I feel so fortunate to have found her...

Let me know how you do back on the armour — isn’t that T4 and T3?? So you were taking that PLUS extra T4? Did your doc know your levels before putting you back on the armour and did he say anything about the heart racing? My first endo seemed to feel he was exclusive in treating my thryoid and couldn’t “deal with” any side effects of what his meds did so I did change to the doc I have now and I must say she does listen very carefully and allow for full input...

Sue

Thanks Sue J No, the docs didn’t tell me to stop all thyroid meds and I don’t know if it is safe or not, but I sure felt a lot better over the weekend because of it. I saw the doctor this afternoon and he had me start taking the armour again but not the T4. I get another blood test in a month to see how that’s working. This doctor doesn’t test t3 or t4 though, only TSH and he likes to keep it around 2. Grrrrrr…….One doctor that doesn’t believe in armour and one that only goes by tsh!! I can’t wait to get my np license, LOL

Take Care,

Katy

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of jytdtp

Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:40 AM

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

Subject: Re: Help! Armour & T4 - Hashi's

Hi Katy,

Did the docs tell you to stop all your Thyroid meds and is that safe? That would be my first concern.

As far as the racing heart, I have read that beta blockers can help a lot with that... Have you discussed that with any of your docs?

Hope you feel better soon....!

Sue

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn — it’s so fortunate to find a doctor in this day and age that knows EXACTLY what you YOU need every step of the way and if not, will spend the time specifically researching you — it sounds like you have that and THREE CHEERS for you cuz all this other stuff sounds so frustrating and I feel so bad for everyone who can’t get a good doctor and feel better.

My doc is an expert but I am always the “exception to any case” and know that and have had to live with that all my life — if a side effect is rare, I get it...if there’s a one in a million, it seems to happen to me .. It’s just that way and I have learned to cope with that and persevere...

I can understand that most doctors who accept insurance are BOUND by RULES they MUST follow — I was told this by one excellent physician I had who would NOT do that and so he quit – flat out and went into private practice, no insurance. Most doctors are not allowed to do anymore than get you “in normal range” as laid out by the Insurance companies — they cannot go that extra mile unless you ask them or they risk their practice – it sounds unbelievable but it’s true.. And has horrible consequences.

I do like a doctor who can learn from the patient cuz the patient is the best judge — many times symptoms over lap as is my case — I am hypo and hashis but also menopausal and also have anxiety so I have many things going on all of which affect each other so we need to take it one step at a time and learn as we go along what works best.

I think a good rapport, good communication and positive results are the best yardstick for finding the best doctor and treatment.

What area are you in and who’s your doc? Have you had 100 percent success in treatment and if so, I know we would all love to be in your shoes.

Thanks for your input...!

Sue

I don't want to be ungracious but I really don't want a doctor who is " teachable " or that I have to convince what to test for or prescribe. I don't want a doctor who is willing to learn from me because I don't know all this stuff. I want an expert, a professional who has studied and kept up with the relevant field(s) and hopefully has experience successfully treating people with problems like mine. That he/she would research my problems extensively after my first visit would be as lenient as I would want to be.

Thanks, I have wanted to say that for sometime. I hope my opinion is not offensive if we do not agree.

Marilyn

jytdtp wrote:

Hi Katy,

That is so weird that all these doctors don’t test T3 and T4 - - both mine did and do... I feel so bad for everyone that has a doctor that won’t do it — but just so you all know you CAN test at home – it’s not cheap but you can by lab kits to send off to get your homrones, cholesterol and even TSH T3 and T4 -- I have done them all~!

I am on just T4 now but have never felt it “did anything” but get my numbers in line — so I am asking for T3 to be added since I was still gaining weight on the T4 with “normal” levels — I want my TSH down at 1 or below and am asking for Cytomel when I go on the 7th of March — I talked to my endo on the phone and she says she will try me on it at my request--- ! I feel so fortunate to have found her...

Let me know how you do back on the armour — isn’t that T4 and T3?? So you were taking that PLUS extra T4? Did your doc know your levels before putting you back on the armour and did he say anything about the heart racing? My first endo seemed to feel he was exclusive in treating my thryoid and couldn’t “deal with” any side effects of what his meds did so I did change to the doc I have now and I must say she does listen very carefully and allow for full input...

Sue

Thanks Sue J No, the docs didn’t tell me to stop all thyroid meds and I don’t know if it is safe or not, but I sure felt a lot better over the weekend because of it. I saw the doctor this afternoon and he had me start taking the armour again but not the T4. I get another blood test in a month to see how that’s working. This doctor doesn’t test t3 or t4 though, only TSH and he likes to keep it around 2. Grrrrrr…….One doctor that doesn’t believe in armour and one that only goes by tsh!! I can’t wait to get my np license, LOL

Take Care,

Katy

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of jytdtp

Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:40 AM

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

Subject: Re: Help! Armour & T4 - Hashi's

Hi Katy,

Did the docs tell you to stop all your Thyroid meds and is that safe? That would be my first concern.

As far as the racing heart, I have read that beta blockers can help a lot with that... Have you discussed that with any of your docs?

Hope you feel better soon....!

Sue

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

That's the problem....there are very few doctors that your are dreaming

of. We ALL want that. I'm not offended, I just live in the

reality. Bottom line, you will have to read and research, you will have to

push to get what you want, like it or not.

Kate

At 03:27 PM 2/22/2006, you wrote:

>I don't want to be ungracious but I really don't want a doctor who is

> " teachable " or that I have to convince what to test for or prescribe. I

>don't want a doctor who is willing to learn from me because I don't know

>all this stuff. I want an expert, a professional who has studied and kept

>up with the relevant field(s) and hopefully has experience successfully

>treating people with problems like mine. That he/she would research my

>problems extensively after my first visit would be as lenient as I would

>want to be.

>

>Thanks, I have wanted to say that for sometime. I hope my opinion is not

>offensive if we do not agree.

>Marilyn

>

>jytdtp wrote:

>Hi Katy,

>

>That is so weird that all these doctors don’t test T3 and T4 - - both mine

>did and do... I feel so bad for everyone that has a doctor that won’t do

>it — but just so you all know you CAN test at home – it’s not cheap but

>you can by lab kits to send off to get your homrones, cholesterol and even

>TSH T3 and T4 -- I have done them all~!

>

>I am on just T4 now but have never felt it “did anything” but get my

>numbers in line — so I am asking for T3 to be added since I was still

>gaining weight on the T4 with “normal” levels — I want my TSH down at 1 or

>below and am asking for Cytomel when I go on the 7th of March — I talked

>to my endo on the phone and she says she will try me on it at my

>request--- ! I feel so fortunate to have found her...

>

>Let me know how you do back on the armour — isn’t that T4 and T3?? So you

>were taking that PLUS extra T4? Did your doc know your levels before

>putting you back on the armour and did he say anything about the heart

>racing? My first endo seemed to feel he was exclusive in treating my

>thryoid and couldn’t “deal with” any side effects of what his meds did so

>I did change to the doc I have now and I must say she does listen very

>carefully and allow for full input...

>

>Sue

>

>

>

>

>Thanks Sue J No, the docs didn’t tell me to stop all thyroid meds and I

>don’t know if it is safe or not, but I sure felt a lot better over the

>weekend because of it. I saw the doctor this afternoon and he had me

>start taking the armour again but not the T4. I get another blood test in

>a month to see how that’s working. This doctor doesn’t test t3 or t4

>though, only TSH and he likes to keep it around 2. Grrrrrr…….One doctor

>that doesn’t believe in armour and one that only goes by tsh!! I can’t

>wait to get my np license, LOL

>

>Take Care,

>Katy

>

>

>----------

>From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

>[<mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ]>mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups@yaho\

ogroups.com]

>On Behalf Of jytdtp

>Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:40 AM

>To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

>Subject: Re: Help! Armour & T4 - Hashi's

>

>Hi Katy,

>

>Did the docs tell you to stop all your Thyroid meds and is that safe? That

>would be my first concern.

>As far as the racing heart, I have read that beta blockers can help a lot

>with that... Have you discussed that with any of your docs?

>

>Hope you feel better soon....!

>Sue

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kate you are so right — doctors are so overbooked as it is and our “symptoms’ change month to month, etc and we really need to be proactive in our areas of our health.

Sue

Marilyn,

That's the problem....there are very few doctors that your are dreaming

of. We ALL want that. I'm not offended, I just live in the

reality. Bottom line, you will have to read and research, you will have to

push to get what you want, like it or not.

Kate

At 03:27 PM 2/22/2006, you wrote:

>I don't want to be ungracious but I really don't want a doctor who is

> " teachable " or that I have to convince what to test for or prescribe. I

>don't want a doctor who is willing to learn from me because I don't know

>all this stuff. I want an expert, a professional who has studied and kept

>up with the relevant field(s) and hopefully has experience successfully

>treating people with problems like mine. That he/she would research my

>problems extensively after my first visit would be as lenient as I would

>want to be.

>

>Thanks, I have wanted to say that for sometime. I hope my opinion is not

>offensive if we do not agree.

>Marilyn

>

>jytdtp wrote:

>Hi Katy,

>

>That is so weird that all these doctors don’t test T3 and T4 - - both mine

>did and do... I feel so bad for everyone that has a doctor that won’t do

>it — but just so you all know you CAN test at home – it’s not cheap but

>you can by lab kits to send off to get your homrones, cholesterol and even

>TSH T3 and T4 -- I have done them all~!

>

>I am on just T4 now but have never felt it “did anything” but get my

>numbers in line — so I am asking for T3 to be added since I was still

>gaining weight on the T4 with “normal” levels — I want my TSH down at 1 or

>below and am asking for Cytomel when I go on the 7th of March — I talked

>to my endo on the phone and she says she will try me on it at my

>request--- ! I feel so fortunate to have found her...

>

>Let me know how you do back on the armour — isn’t that T4 and T3?? So you

>were taking that PLUS extra T4? Did your doc know your levels before

>putting you back on the armour and did he say anything about the heart

>racing? My first endo seemed to feel he was exclusive in treating my

>thryoid and couldn’t “deal with” any side effects of what his meds did so

>I did change to the doc I have now and I must say she does listen very

>carefully and allow for full input...

>

>Sue

>

>

>

>

>Thanks Sue J No, the docs didn’t tell me to stop all thyroid meds and I

>don’t know if it is safe or not, but I sure felt a lot better over the

>weekend because of it. I saw the doctor this afternoon and he had me

>start taking the armour again but not the T4. I get another blood test in

>a month to see how that’s working. This doctor doesn’t test t3 or t4

>though, only TSH and he likes to keep it around 2. Grrrrrr…….One doctor

>that doesn’t believe in armour and one that only goes by tsh!! I can’t

>wait to get my np license, LOL

>

>Take Care,

>Katy

>

>

>----------

>From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

>[<mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ]>mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ]

>On Behalf Of jytdtp

>Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:40 AM

>To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

>Subject: Re: Help! Armour & T4 - Hashi's

>

>Hi Katy,

>

>Did the docs tell you to stop all your Thyroid meds and is that safe? That

>would be my first concern.

>As far as the racing heart, I have read that beta blockers can help a lot

>with that... Have you discussed that with any of your docs?

>

>Hope you feel better soon....!

>Sue

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even with the very best docs, we need to communicate our needs and reactions. It is a frustrating situation, however, to have to educate a doc from the ground up. I convinced my internist early on that I could manage my own thyroid meds. (It did not hurt that soon thereafter I started seeing Steve and got some validation from another MD for my point of view.) He just writes prescriptions exactly as I request and orders tests when I ask for them. I explain what I am doing as I go along. . . .But I would not recommend him to any other thyroid patient. I think you have a similar situation with your doc. Kate Guynn wrote: Marilyn,That's the problem....there are very few doctors that your are dreaming of. We ALL want that. I'm not offended, I just live in the reality. Bottom line, you will have to read and research, you will have to push to get what you want, like it or not.KateAt 03:27 PM 2/22/2006, you wrote:>I don't want to be ungracious but I really don't want a doctor who is >"teachable" or that I have to convince what to test for or prescribe. I >don't want a doctor who is willing to learn from me because I don't know >all this stuff. I want an expert, a professional who has studied and kept >up with the relevant field(s) and hopefully has experience successfully >treating people with problems like mine. That he/she would research my >problems extensively after my first visit would be as lenient as I would >want to

be.>>Thanks, I have wanted to say that for sometime. I hope my opinion is not >offensive if we do not agree.>Marilyn

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Hi Marilyn,

I don’t see you as ungracious at

all, but if you’ve found that doctor like the one you’ve described,

I think you’re VERY lucky because they’re few and far

between, in my experience. I’ve been to doctors that are arrogant

and confident and THINK that they have kept up with the relevant research and

know exactly what will solve my problem. However, when whatever they

tried didn’t work, they would always try to blame it on my noncompliance

or some such nonsense. I don’t think any doctor tries to be

outdated, they probably all think they’re keeping up with the latest

research. Many of these doctors have been educated by reps and seminars

from the drug companies pushing the drugs. Many others have been

practicing for so many years and doing the exact thing for patient after

patient. Because so many people are raised to think that doctors are

Gods, very few of these people may have spoken up about subsequent problems

that they had so this doctor is convinced that what he’s doing works.

Compared to the huge amount of people being prescribed replacement thyroid

hormones, there are very few doctors specializing in this disorder. We have

to learn our own bodies, figure out what works for us, keep an eye on things,

and be our own advocates. I had a very well-meaning doctor try to give me

penicillin after I told him I’m allergic to it. He said I probably

just thought I was allergic and I should try it again. If I would have

had that Rx filled, I would be dead right now guaranteed. Once you’ve

been mistreated by enough doctors you have to take charge and learn what you

need to know and how to get what you need to fix it as best as you can.

Unfortunately, a lot of us will have to keep doing this until more doctors like

the one you describe pop up. I’d love to hear more about your

doctor J

Take Care,

Katy

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

[mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On

Behalf Of Marilyn

Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006

3:27 PM

To:

Texas_Thyroid_Groups

Subject: Re:

Having to teach or convince doctor

I don't want to be ungracious but I really don't want a doctor who

is " teachable " or that I have to convince what to test for or

prescribe. I don't want a doctor who is willing to learn from me

because I don't know all this stuff. I want an expert, a professional who

has studied and kept up with the relevant field(s) and hopefully has

experience successfully treating people with problems like mine. That

he/she would research my problems extensively after my first visit would be as

lenient as I would want to be.

Thanks, I have wanted to say that for sometime. I hope my opinion

is not offensive if we do not agree.

Marilyn

[Guest guest]

I should have said that I am still searching but would not be excited to see a doctor who had to be convinced to give me Armour or only tested TSH. It seems that would barely be competent. I didn't mean to imply that it was easy. I will just keep looking until I find a reasonably competent physician. This group is helping me know what to look for. I have given up three of my physicians so far this past year, two because as TSH fell they wanted me to cut back on meds. I have learned that is not the thing to do. I am in the mental health field and will probably do more research for my clients than for myself. I either do the research or refer on if I am not interested in doing the research. I appreciate the good natured response to my frustration. Marilyn jytdtp

wrote: Hi Marilyn — it’s so fortunate to find a doctor in this day and age that knows EXACTLY what you YOU need every step of the way and if not, will spend the time specifically researching you — it sounds like you have that and THREE CHEERS for you cuz all this other stuff sounds so frustrating and I feel so bad for everyone who can’t get a good doctor and feel better.My doc is an expert but I am always the “exception to any case” and know that and have had to live with that all my life — if a side effect is rare, I get it...if there’s a one in a million, it seems to happen to me .. It’s just that way and I have learned to cope with that and persevere...I can understand that most doctors who accept insurance are BOUND by RULES they

MUST follow — I was told this by one excellent physician I had who would NOT do that and so he quit – flat out and went into private practice, no insurance. Most doctors are not allowed to do anymore than get you “in normal range” as laid out by the Insurance companies — they cannot go that extra mile unless you ask them or they risk their practice – it sounds unbelievable but it’s true.. And has horrible consequences.I do like a doctor who can learn from the patient cuz the patient is the best judge — many times symptoms over lap as is my case — I am hypo and hashis but also menopausal and also have anxiety so I have many things going on all of which affect each other so we need to take it one step at a time and learn as we go along what works best.I think a good rapport, good communication and positive results are the best yardstick for finding the best doctor and treatment.What area are you in and who’s your doc? Have you had 100 percent success in

treatment and if so, I know we would all love to be in your shoes.Thanks for your input...!Sue I don't want to be ungracious but I really don't want a doctor who is "teachable" or that I have to convince what to test for or prescribe. I don't want a doctor who is willing to learn from me because I don't know all this stuff. I want an expert, a professional who has studied and kept up with the relevant field(s) and hopefully has experience successfully treating people with problems like mine. That he/she would research my problems extensively after my first visit would be as lenient as I would want to be. Thanks, I have wanted to say that for sometime. I hope my opinion is not offensive if we do not

agree. Marilynjytdtp wrote: Hi Katy,That is so weird that all these doctors don’t test T3 and T4 - - both mine did and do... I feel so bad for everyone that has a doctor that won’t do it — but just so you all know you CAN test at home – it’s not cheap but you can by lab kits to send off to get your homrones, cholesterol and even TSH T3 and T4 -- I have done them all~! :)I am on just T4 now but have never felt it “did anything” but get my numbers in line — so I am asking for T3 to be added since I was still gaining weight on the T4 with “normal” levels — I want my TSH down at 1 or below and am asking for Cytomel when I go on the 7th of March — I talked to my endo on the phone and she says she will try me on it at my request--- ! I feel so fortunate to

have found her... Let me know how you do back on the armour — isn’t that T4 and T3?? So you were taking that PLUS extra T4? Did your doc know your levels before putting you back on the armour and did he say anything about the heart racing? My first endo seemed to feel he was exclusive in treating my thryoid and couldn’t “deal with” any side effects of what his meds did so I did change to the doc I have now and I must say she does listen very carefully and allow for full input... Sue Thanks Sue J No, the docs didn’t tell me to stop all thyroid meds and I don’t know if it is safe or not, but I sure felt a lot better over the weekend because of it. I saw the

doctor this afternoon and he had me start taking the armour again but not the T4. I get another blood test in a month to see how that’s working. This doctor doesn’t test t3 or t4 though, only TSH and he likes to keep it around 2. Grrrrrr…….One doctor that doesn’t believe in armour and one that only goes by tsh!! I can’t wait to get my np license, LOL Take Care,Katy From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of jytdtpSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:40 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Help! Armour & T4 - Hashi'sHi Katy,Did the docs tell you to stop all your Thyroid meds and is that safe? That would be my first concern.As far as the racing heart, I have read that beta blockers can help a lot with that... Have you discussed that with any of your docs?Hope you feel better soon....!Sue

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I've made these same statements before, Marilyn. When you are paying for a service, you don't want to be the donor of the services. It's just that, in desperation, that may be all that a person can find sometimes, someone who they have to teach, in order to save themselves and get back their health, at least until they have found someone that they can relax with and not have to carry all the load. I don't have any patience with that either, myself. Even having recently gotten insurance on my job, I still can't afford the doctor that I WANT to go to, but time will tell, and time is certainly moving on, lol.

Re: Having to teach or convince doctor

I don't want to be ungracious but I really don't want a doctor who is "teachable" or that I have to convince what to test for or prescribe. I don't want a doctor who is willing to learn from me because I don't know all this stuff. I want an expert, a professional who has studied and kept up with the relevant field(s) and hopefully has experience successfully treating people with problems like mine. That he/she would research my problems extensively after my first visit would be as lenient as I would want to be.

Thanks, I have wanted to say that for sometime. I hope my opinion is not offensive if we do not agree.

Marilyn

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On the subject of convincing doctors or finding a

doctor that believes current research: This problem is

not confined to treating the thyroid. It is also there

for all kinds of problems. My grandson was born with a

urological disorder and gets UTIs quite often. If she

had not been watching what the doctors and interns and

nurses were prescribing or giving him in his IVs and

was not there all the time, I am convinced that he

would be dead right now. We all MUST be our own

ADVOCATE and if a doc tells us to do something that we

KNOW is wrong for us, we MUST listen to ourselves!!!

-Ruth

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