RE: Maca warning for anyone experimenting with this

[Guest guest]

> Sally Fallon has talked about studies with extruded cereals and

how dangerous they are. The heat and pressure changes the structure

of the molesules. Not saying this is the same but I'd leave it

alone since it's been subjected to high pressure and probably heat.

Thanks Lynn. May I share this post with another private group

anonymously?

Pressure and temperature are directly proportional, so if something

is undergoing high pressure, then it is getting hot (temperature

being average kinetic energy). Leave it alone is a good mantra

here.

Deanna, who actually had a year of general chemistry for engineers +

a father who would never let the subject go

[Guest guest]

That's fine to share with whoever. Just attach that this isn't written

in stone but an opinion at this point.

Thanks

Lynn

-- In , " yoginidd " <hl@s...> wrote:

> > Sally Fallon has talked about studies with extruded cereals and

> how dangerous they are. The heat and pressure changes the structure

> of the molesules. Not saying this is the same but I'd leave it

> alone since it's been subjected to high pressure and probably heat.

>

> Thanks Lynn. May I share this post with another private group

> anonymously?

>

> Pressure and temperature are directly proportional, so if something

> is undergoing high pressure, then it is getting hot (temperature

> being average kinetic energy). Leave it alone is a good mantra

> here.

>

>

> Deanna, who actually had a year of general chemistry for engineers +

> a father who would never let the subject go

[Guest guest]

One more thought on this maca. This came from our experiments with it

that didn't jive with what others were saying. All of us were using

pure raw extract. One of the women's sister was using powdered raw

with great success so we started to explore it.

Since maca was causing us problems we let it go. But now we're

relooking at it from the raw point of view.

Proteins denature or untangle at fairly low temps. Around 120 F will

start many of them to change. The compounds that are active are most

likely lipids or fats so they may or may not be disturbed by this

process. Our experience with the maca was that it was too effective

creating a progesterone overdose effect.

I'm wondering if the available proteins interact with the steroid

compounds to temper them. Or the starches that are removed (so it's

more effective) actually plays a critical role in the way the steroid

compounds are used in our bodies. The Peruvians would have eaten it as

is but cooked it under moderate heat (they boil or roast it for long

periods before eating it)

Anyhow...I'll post more as we experiment.

Lynn (who also had an engineering father and still is surrounded by

them ...husband, brother, friends ACKKKK LOLOL)

> Pressure and temperature are directly proportional, so if something

> is undergoing high pressure, then it is getting hot (temperature

> being average kinetic energy). Leave it alone is a good mantra

> here.

>

>

> Deanna, who actually had a year of general chemistry for engineers +

> a father who would never let the subject go

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Lynn

>You can buy totally raw powder or roasted maca. That's what you want

>to experiment with. Traditionally the Peruvians roasted or boiled

>their roots for a long time.

But I wonder if *raw* maca is really advised. I thought it's pretty

indigestible, and probably contains some anti-nutrients in the raw state.

Which is probably why the Peruvians either roasted or boiled it. I have some

gelitanized that I got for my dogs mainly because my understanding is that

it's more digestible. If I get it again, maybe I'll try the roasted.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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[Guest guest]

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> But I wonder if *raw* maca is really advised. I thought it's pretty

> indigestible, and probably contains some anti-nutrients in the raw

state.

> Which is probably why the Peruvians either roasted or boiled it. I

have some

> gelitanized that I got for my dogs mainly because my understanding

is that

> it's more digestible. If I get it again, maybe I'll try the roasted.

-----> I don't think raw would be good. It's in the same family as

cabbage. I did see one roasted form to be used as a coffee substitute.

What are you using for with your dogs??? ANy good effects??/

Lynn

[Guest guest]

One of the women's sister was using powdered raw

> with great success so we started to explore it.

> Since maca was causing us problems we let it go. But now we're

> relooking at it from the raw point of view.

I tried the raw powder before - it did nothing for me and I ended up

composting most of it. It was from Nature's First Law, the

rawctivist people in San Diego. Some people say it's great, but

from my experience it was nothing exciting. I have tried in the

past to determine the nutrient constituency of any maca without

avail. Perhaps you have some info on that?

>Our experience with the maca was that it was too effective creating

>a progesterone overdose effect.

Hmm, that doesn't sound good.

>The Peruvians would have eaten it as

> is but cooked it under moderate heat (they boil or roast it for

>long periods before eating it)

I just did a quick skim through NAPD. Price said Peruvians roasted

starches and cereals, as boiling is tough at high altitudes. Also,

I could find nothing about maca, but he did mention a yucca that was

different than the N. American variety. But then, this was a quick

search. Anyone want to add to this?

> Anyhow...I'll post more as we experiment.

Thanks, and I won't claim that " Lynn says this is the gospel truth! "

You shall be nameless.

> Lynn (who also had an engineering father and still is surrounded

>by them ...husband, brother, friends ACKKKK LOLOL)

Oh, you are an engineer, you just don't want to admit it <g>.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

We have been researching maca on and off for three years and would be interested

in responses from this list as to your experiences. I will go back over the

recent posts, but anyone who wants to post to the list or to me personally about

their research/experiences would be very appreciated. It seems like it can be a

powerful product, and what has made us hesitate in carrying it is that at times

it can be too powerful depending on the quality of the source as well as the

individual.

Thanks very much,

Christapher

Radiant Life

Re: Maca warning for anyone experimenting with this

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> But I wonder if *raw* maca is really advised. I thought it's pretty

> indigestible, and probably contains some anti-nutrients in the raw

state.

> Which is probably why the Peruvians either roasted or boiled it. I

have some

> gelitanized that I got for my dogs mainly because my understanding

is that

> it's more digestible. If I get it again, maybe I'll try the roasted.

-----> I don't think raw would be good. It's in the same family as

cabbage. I did see one roasted form to be used as a coffee substitute.

What are you using for with your dogs??? ANy good effects??/

Lynn

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>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Lynn

>

>

>-

>> But I wonder if *raw* maca is really advised. I thought it's pretty

>> indigestible, and probably contains some anti-nutrients in the raw

>state.

>> Which is probably why the Peruvians either roasted or boiled it. I

>have some

>> gelitanized that I got for my dogs mainly because my understanding

>is that

>> it's more digestible. If I get it again, maybe I'll try the roasted.

>

>-----> I don't think raw would be good. It's in the same family as

>cabbage. I did see one roasted form to be used as a coffee substitute.

>What are you using for with your dogs??? ANy good effects??/

I don't recall my original reasoning, I think for it's adaptogenic effects.

I haven't given it to them in a while. I can't say I noticed any effects,

but then I don't think I expected to as I just thought it would strengthen

their immune systems. Plus, I have no idea what dose to give 11 lb. dogs. I

still have some and will give it to them again now that I'm reminded I have

it. I'll let you know if I see any changes.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------