Re: No really I can't believe it

[Guest guest]

, that's unfair. Mike has taken the initiative and time to learn a lot

about NT foods, farming, etc. You seem to be bitter about what you perceive as

his criticism of your writing, which is not personal criticism at all. His

tangential posts about grammar and whatnot are polite and intended to edify

anyone who cares. On the other hand, you just seem to complain whenever he

comments on such matters. If you don't want to learn, don't be a part of the

discussion. Most people don't take part anyway because it is off topic. It just

seems silly to complain--even if he's making an example out of something you

wrote--when there are others who are interested in what he has to say.

Tom

wrote:

> OK, MAP, if you can admit that it was easy for you to miss the basic stuff

that most of us take for granted as something that every toddler/pre-schooler

learnt, why can't you accept that some people have similar gaps when it comes to

spelling/grammar, rather than expecting everyone to be able to do it correctly.

>

> Cheers,

> Tas'.

>

[Guest guest]

>>>, that's unfair. Mike has taken the initiative and time to learn a lot

about NT foods, farming, etc. You seem to be bitter about what you perceive as

his criticism of your writing, which is not personal criticism at all. His

tangential posts about grammar and whatnot are polite and intended to edify

anyone who cares. On the other hand, you just seem to complain whenever he

comments on such matters. If you don't want to learn, don't be a part of the

discussion. Most people don't take part anyway because it is off topic. It just

seems silly to complain--even if he's making an example out of something you

wrote--when there are others who are interested in what he has to say.<<<

It's not my spelling that he criticised. It was this post from him:

[*note to all the awful people who constantly misspell " lose " that

this is the real word " loose " that is spelled with two " o " s... This

error has been driving me crazy in the past year or two since I

noticed it occurring **constantly** and even from very well-educated

people.... My message to everyone: PLEASE STOP MISSPELLING " lose " !!!I

have not even began to vent on this here!]

that I find incredibly rude and condescending to those whose spelling is less

than perfect.

I do want to learn - about the FOOD.

Tas'.

[Guest guest]

> , that's unfair. Mike has taken the initiative and time to learn a

lot about NT foods, farming, etc. You seem to be bitter about what you

perceive as his criticism of your writing, which is not personal criticism at

all. His tangential posts about grammar and whatnot are polite and intended

to edify anyone who cares. On the other hand, you just seem to complain

whenever he comments on such matters. If you don't want to learn, don't be a

part of the discussion. Most people don't take part anyway because it is off

topic. It just seems silly to complain--even if he's making an example out of

something you wrote--when there are others who are interested in what he has

to say.

Tom, I'm not sure how pointing out someone's mistakes on a public forum could

be construed as " polite " .

~~ Jocelyne

[Guest guest]

> AWOL has gone very quiet. The busiest one I'm on is AAWOL, " Atkins

a Way of

> Life. " But none of my Atkins lists are at all oriented towards

whole/natural

> foods... there are a few of us, but not many.

>

Christie

I've been a regular member of several low carb lists over the last 5

years. none of them interests me now, so I'm considering handing in

my moderator hat and " retiring " from them. I was briefly a member of

AAWOl and several other US-based lists, but they did my head in so

much I couldn't cope! I don't know how you still manage to stay

sane!!! Low carbing is a very different culture here in the UK.

Jo

[Guest guest]

--- Pratick Mukherjee <pratickmukherjee@...>

wrote:

>

> Can you describe what you mean by a different

> culture?

> After all, low-carbing is low-carbing - what's the

> difference?

> Or did you mean overconsumption of low-carb junk

> food in the US (like the bars and

> shakes)?

Hi Pratick

Yes, the junk food is relatively new here so there is

quite a lot of talk of natural foods rather than junk

food.

Plus, the kind of people that Christie comes across

who don't know the difference between a cow and a calf

are not as common on UK lists as US lists. Ditto the

" is tinned pet food raw? " type of person. 2 reasons

for this I believe: our population is 60 million, in

the US I believe it's in the region of 200 million, so

the sheer number of people who ask this type of

question is proportionally greater. I would also

imagine that access to the internet is more limited in

this group of people in the UK, but that's just an

assumption.

Jo

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[Guest guest]

Tom

<In middle school, there was a kid I knew who not only had purportedly never

consumed a cucumber, he had never even *heard* of a cucumber. Even then I

thought that was terribly sad and quite telling of his diet and his parents.

>

Is it possible his parents were immigrants? When I was young, I probably

knew what cucumbers were, since my dad had a vegetable garden, but maybe I

didn't. He was from Roumania and my mother from Hungary, and we mostly ate

the foods they had grown up with. To this day, when I see a big black

radish in the supermarket (I think it's a radish <g>), the first word that

springs to mind is Hungarian: " reticca " (sp?).

Think, too, about children from other areas of the country. I lived in a

suburb of New York, and, until I was in my twenties, had never heard of or

tasted okra. I'm sure southern children would have thought that weird.

[Guest guest]

You really think that criticism and politeness are mutually exclusive? I sure

don't.

Tom

>

> Tom, I'm not sure how pointing out someone's mistakes on a public forum could

> be construed as " polite " .

>

> ~~ Jocelyne

>

[Guest guest]

West wrote:

> Tom

>

> <In middle school, there was a kid I knew who not only had purportedly never

> consumed a cucumber, he had never even *heard* of a cucumber. Even then I

> thought that was terribly sad and quite telling of his diet and his parents.

> >

>

>

>

> Is it possible his parents were immigrants? When I was young, I probably

> knew what cucumbers were, since my dad had a vegetable garden, but maybe I

> didn't. He was from Roumania and my mother from Hungary, and we mostly ate

> the foods they had grown up with. To this day, when I see a big black

> radish in the supermarket (I think it's a radish <g>), the first word that

> springs to mind is Hungarian: " reticca " (sp?).

>

Oh no, neither he nor his parents were immigrants. That I could have understood.

He had a stated categorical dislike of vegetables!

Tom

[Guest guest]

> > Tom, I'm not sure how pointing out someone's mistakes on a public forum

> could

> > be construed as " polite " .

> >

> You really think that criticism and politeness are mutually exclusive? I

> sure don't.

>

> Tom

Interesting thought Tom, but something I never said.

On this list, I have seen very helpful and insightful corrections on

important issues. That being said, I have also read some condescending

and/or insulting criticisms that simply are not appropriate.

Enough said.

~~ Jocelyne

[Guest guest]

Mike-

>everyone *is* able

>to do it correctly, and I don't think there's anything unreasonable

>about expecting someone to do something that they are in fact able to

>do and which is in fact a very desirable thing to do.

People using the web view generally don't have spell-checkers built in.

-

[Guest guest]

Jo-

>in

>the US I believe it's in the region of 200 million,

Try 300 million, actually. :-/

-

[Guest guest]

[MAP] everyone *is* able to do it correctly, and I don't think there's

anything unreasonable about expecting someone to do something that

they are in fact able to

do and which is in fact a very desirable thing to do.

[] People using the web view generally don't have spell-checkers built in.

[MAP] I don't see the relevance of this observation at all. Anyone

using the web view can bring up <dictionary.com>, <google.com>, or

some other reference tool to check the spelling of anything they

aren't 100% certain of. Additionally, as others have shared in the

past ( gave a link once I think), there is free spell-checking

software and that kind of thing out there.

Besides, in my pre-gmail days when I painfully used the web view

myself, I often wrote my messages in my favorite word-processing

program and then pasted them over to the interface, and that's a

method I seriously recommend to anyone because it prevents those cases

where server glitches can cause your message to be lost forever.

I experienced that several times, writing long posts and then

unintentionally clicking them into a black hole without any kind of

backup. So the point here is that if you use that method for

web-view-based group participation, which would be smart anyway, you

can deploy the spell-checking resources of whatever wp program you're

using!

But anyway, the point about spelling was totally general, not specific

to this list at all.

By the way, allow me to note that my old rant about " lose " / " loose "

that Tas' cited *was not directed at anyone in particular* and could

not possibly be construed as such.

Mike

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