Re: changing meds...with BCC to Courtenay

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You might want to try some kind of alternating day schedule. I think Courtenay has a protocol for that which might be worth trying.stitnjaca1 wrote: I was taking 20 mcg of unithroid 2x a day and was not able to tolerate increas.Dr. R... gave me compounded Armour 1/8 grain to take 2x a day and also compounded DHEA 3 mg. I took my firs 1/8 grain yesterday morning and was feeling fogy and weird almost all day. After PM dose was a little better but still not like normal. I called and spoke to yesterday, and he sad that it would be ok to wait few days before I start on DHEA. I was afraid if I feel bad I will not know what is causing it and I might stop everything. I want to be extra careful.This morning about an hour after Armour I started to feel really weird.

Very nervous, awful filing in my head, like I will lose my mind, hard breathing, heavy chest, shaky, nauseated..I still feel bad, very weak, wouldn't leave the house even though I would have to. I am afraid what if I am even worse tomorrow? Does anybody have any advice for me? Should I start my DHEA? Was it better to start DHEA first then switch to Armour? What would you do in my situation? I don't want to bother all the time but I need some guidance.Thank you all,Nevenka

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Dear Nevenka--

You might want to talk to about taking your

Armour every three days for awhile, since you are

having such a strong, strong reaction to the meds. I

am very reactive myself, so what I usually do when

introducing a new medication is follow a few simple

rules:

1) Never start anything new around, during, or right

after my menstrual cycle when my system is its most

vulnerable.

2) Make sure to start new meds on a Monday. That

way, in case of a reaction, you have an opportunity to

call the doctor before the weekend.

3) Take new meds every third day. (Mon., Thurs.,

Sun, Wed.) for up to a month.

4) Repeat after one month-- meaning either increase

the new med to every other day, or introduce second

medication on alternating day using the same method.

Usually, advises me on what to do next.

Also, if I'm taking something new, or upping my meds,

I clear my schedule of anything pressing so that I

don't have to leave the house if things go terribly

wrong. Really takes the pressure off. For those of

you who work outside the home, I know this is

impossible, so my best suggestion is that you try not

to plan anything super important after work, and let

the housework go for a few days. You might even

arrange rides to and from work for the week of new

medicines/dose increases.

If you want to try it this way, contact , and ask

him if he thinks its okay.

Best--

Courtenay.

--- Jan wrote:

> You might want to try some kind of alternating day

> schedule. I think Courtenay has a protocol for that

> which might be worth trying.

>

> stitnjaca1 wrote:

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>

> This morning about an hour after Armour I started to

> feel really

> weird. Very nervous, awful filing in my head, like I

> will lose my

> mind, hard breathing, heavy chest, shaky,

> nauseated..

> I still feel bad, very weak, wouldn't leave the

> house even though I

> would have to. I am afraid what if I am even worse

> tomorrow?

> Does anybody have any advice for me? Should I start

> my DHEA? Was it

> better to start DHEA first then switch to Armour?

> What would you do

> in my situation? I don't want to bother all

> the time but I need

> some guidance.

>

> Thank you all,

>

> Nevenka

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Hi Courtenay.

I did talk to today and he told me to take one thyroid pill instead of two a day (1/8 grain) until Monday.

I was so bad today I didn't think that I will ever take another Armour. But in the afternoon I got my hypo symptoms, sleepy, no energy, so I took it again. It was not as bad as in the morning.

It is always mornings that I feel very, very bad, a lot of adrenaline. I will see what will tomorrow bring.

Thank you for your rules. Most of those I already follow.

I am afraid if I go with 1/8 grain of Armour for long time that I will become very hypo.

But that might be the only way to get better.

Thanks,

Nevenka

Dear Nevenka--You might want to talk to about taking yourArmour every three days for awhile, since you arehaving such a strong, strong reaction to the meds. Iam very reactive myself, so what I usually do whenintroducing a new medication is follow a few simplerules:1) Never start anything new around, during, or rightafter my menstrual cycle when my system is its mostvulnerable.2) Make sure to start new meds on a Monday. Thatway, in case of a reaction, you have an opportunity tocall the doctor before the weekend.3) Take new meds every third day. (Mon., Thurs.,Sun, Wed.) for up to a month.4) Repeat after one month-- meaning either increasethe new med to every other day, or introduce secondmedication on alternating day using the same method. Usually, advises me on what to do next.Also, if I'm taking something new, or upping my meds,I clear my schedule of anything pressing so that Idon't have to leave the house if things go terriblywrong. Really takes the pressure off. For those ofyou who work outside the home, I know this isimpossible, so my best suggestion is that you try notto plan anything super important after work, and letthe housework go for a few days. You might evenarrange rides to and from work for the week of newmedicines/dose increases.If you want to try it this way, contact , and askhim if he thinks its okay. Best--Courtenay.--- Jan wrote:> You might want to try some kind of alternating day> schedule. I think Courtenay has a protocol for that> which might be worth trying.> > stitnjaca1 wrote:> > > This morning about an hour after Armour I started to> feel really > weird. Very nervous, awful filing in my head, like I> will lose my > mind, hard breathing, heavy chest, shaky,> nauseated..> I still feel bad, very weak, wouldn't leave the> house even though I > would have to. I am afraid what if I am even worse> tomorrow? > Does anybody have any advice for me? Should I start> my DHEA? Was it > better to start DHEA first then switch to Armour?> What would you do > in my situation? I don't want to bother all> the time but I need > some guidance.> > Thank you all,> > Nevenka

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Hi Jan or or whoever has a suggestion,

Today is 7th day on Armour, 2x1/8 grain. I am tolerating a little

better, but I don't feel any better overall. I am more fogy, have

more anxiety and I am getting some weird attacks. I am not sure if

they are panic attacks or something else. I suddenly become very

weak, nauseated, breathing hard, almost not feeling arms and legs,

don't even feel my breathing. It's scary. I take some klonopin and it

helps.

I spoke to and he will talk to Dr. R.. about it.

I wanted to ask you guys your opinion, what would you do? My dose has

been much lower now, from 40 mcg T4 to 1/4 grain Armour. I asked J..

if I should add some unithroid and he sad that he wouldn't.

You are much more experienced in this, and I would appreciate it if

you can give me some suggestions.

Thanks,

nevenka

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> > This morning about an hour after Armour I started to

> > feel really

> > weird. Very nervous, awful filing in my head, like I

> > will lose my

> > mind, hard breathing, heavy chest, shaky,

> > nauseated..

> > I still feel bad, very weak, wouldn't leave the

> > house even though I

> > would have to. I am afraid what if I am even worse

> > tomorrow?

> > Does anybody have any advice for me? Should I start

> > my DHEA? Was it

> > better to start DHEA first then switch to Armour?

> > What would you do

> > in my situation? I don't want to bother all

> > the time but I need

> > some guidance.

> >

> > Thank you all,

> >

> > Nevenka

>

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Dear Nevenka--

I would wait to hear what Dr. R says. I'm really

sorry to hear that you're having such a strong

reaction to the meds, but I am not unfamiliar with

taking hormones that make me feel funky. ,

actually, was really helpful with getting my meds on

track. My opinion is: do what you can to pamper

yourself until you hear back from the doctor's office

this afternoon.

Best--

Courtenay.

--- stitnjaca1 wrote:

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Hi Jan or or whoever has a suggestion,

Today is 7th day on Armour, 2x1/8 grain. I am

tolerating a little

better, but I don't feel any better overall. I am more

fogy, have

more anxiety and I am getting some weird attacks. I am

not sure if

they are panic attacks or something else. I suddenly

become very

weak, nauseated, breathing hard, almost not feeling

arms and legs,

don't even feel my breathing. It's scary. I take some

klonopin and it

helps.

I spoke to and he will talk to Dr. R.. about it.

I wanted to ask you guys your opinion, what would you

do? My dose has

been much lower now, from 40 mcg T4 to 1/4 grain

Armour. I asked J..

if I should add some unithroid and he sad that he

wouldn't.

You are much more experienced in this, and I would

appreciate it if

you can give me some suggestions.

Thanks,

nevenka

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> >

> > This morning about an hour after Armour I started

to

> > feel really

> > weird. Very nervous, awful filing in my head, like

I

> > will lose my

> > mind, hard breathing, heavy chest, shaky,

> > nauseated..

> > I still feel bad, very weak, wouldn't leave the

> > house even though I

> > would have to. I am afraid what if I am even worse

> > tomorrow?

> > Does anybody have any advice for me? Should I

start

> > my DHEA? Was it

> > better to start DHEA first then switch to Armour?

> > What would you do

> > in my situation? I don't want to bother all

> > the time but I need

> > some guidance.

> >

> > Thank you all,

> >

> > Nevenka

>

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Sounds like the same thing us "thyroid intolerant" people go through. I know it's very scary Nevenka, but hang in there and just wait for to call you back. Let us know what he tells you for I am experiencing some of the very same things with armour increase and cortisol.Courtenay wrote: Dear Nevenka--I would wait to hear what Dr. R says. I'm reallysorry to hear that you're having such a strongreaction to the meds, but I am not unfamiliar withtaking hormones that make me feel funky. ,actually, was really helpful with getting my meds ontrack. My opinion is: do what you can to pamperyourself until you hear back from the doctor's officethis afternoon.Best--Courtenay.--- stitnjaca1

wrote:---------------------------------Hi Jan or or whoever has a suggestion,Today is 7th day on Armour, 2x1/8 grain. I amtolerating a little better, but I don't feel any better overall. I am morefogy, have more anxiety and I am getting some weird attacks. I amnot sure if they are panic attacks or something else. I suddenlybecome very weak, nauseated, breathing hard, almost not feelingarms and legs, don't even feel my breathing. It's scary. I take someklonopin and it helps. I spoke to and he will talk to Dr. R.. about it.I wanted to ask you guys your opinion, what would youdo? My dose has been much lower now, from 40 mcg T4 to 1/4 grainArmour. I asked J.. if I should add some unithroid and he sad that hewouldn't. You are much more experienced in this, and I wouldappreciate it if you can give me some

suggestions.Thanks,nevenka> > > > > > This morning about an hour after Armour I startedto> > feel really > > weird. Very nervous, awful filing in my head, likeI> > will lose my > > mind, hard breathing, heavy chest, shaky,> > nauseated..> > I still feel bad, very weak, wouldn't leave the> > house even though I > > would have to. I am afraid what if I am even worse> > tomorrow? > > Does anybody have any advice for me? Should Istart> > my DHEA? Was it > >

better to start DHEA first then switch to Armour?> > What would you do > > in my situation? I don't want to bother all> > the time but I need > > some guidance.> > > > Thank you all,> > > > Nevenka>

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Just wait until you hear back from . Make yourself a nice cup of tea, take a warm bath, listen to some music, read a book. stitnjaca1 wrote: Hi Jan or or whoever has a suggestion,Today is 7th day on Armour, 2x1/8 grain. I am tolerating a little better, but I don't feel any better overall. I am more fogy, have more anxiety and I am getting some weird attacks. I am not sure if they are panic attacks or something else. I suddenly become very weak, nauseated, breathing hard, almost not feeling arms and legs, don't even feel my breathing. It's scary. I take some klonopin and it helps. I spoke to and he will talk to Dr. R.. about it. I wanted to ask you guys your opinion, what

would you do? My dose has been much lower now, from 40 mcg T4 to 1/4 grain Armour. I asked J.. if I should add some unithroid and he sad that he wouldn't. You are much more experienced in this, and I would appreciate it if you can give me some suggestions.Thanks,nevenka> > > > > > This morning about an hour after Armour I started to> > feel really > > weird. Very nervous, awful filing in my head, like I> > will lose my > > mind, hard breathing, heavy chest, shaky,> > nauseated..> > I still feel bad, very weak, wouldn't leave

the> > house even though I > > would have to. I am afraid what if I am even worse> > tomorrow? > > Does anybody have any advice for me? Should I start> > my DHEA? Was it > > better to start DHEA first then switch to Armour?> > What would you do > > in my situation? I don't want to bother all> > the time but I need > > some guidance.> > > > Thank you all,> > > > Nevenka

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Thank you guys for support. I am trying to hang in there. I think that my hypo symptoms are worsening. I did not have any energy yesterday or today. did not call. I hope he will tomorrow.

Just wait until you hear back from . Make yourself a nice cup of tea, take a warm bath, listen to some music, read a book.

stitnjaca1 wrote:

Hi Jan or or whoever has a suggestion,Today is 7th day on Armour, 2x1/8 grain. I am tolerating a little better, but I don't feel any better overall. I am more fogy, have more anxiety and I am getting some weird attacks. I am not sure if they are panic attacks or something else. I suddenly become very weak, nauseated, breathing hard, almost not feeling arms and legs, don't even feel my breathing. It's scary. I take some klonopin and it helps. I spoke to and he will talk to Dr. R.. about it. I wanted to ask you guys your opinion, what would you do? My dose has been much lower now, from 40 mcg T4 to 1/4 grain Armour. I asked J.. if I should add some unithroid and he sad that he wouldn't. You are much more experienced in this, and I would appreciate it if you can give me some suggestions.Thanks,nevenka

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I was told that everyone in that office has the flu right now. . . .Zuljana5@... wrote: Thank you guys for support. I am trying to hang in there. I think that my hypo symptoms are worsening. I did not have any energy yesterday or today. did not call. I hope he will tomorrow. Just wait until you hear back from . Make yourself a nice cup of tea, take a warm bath, listen to some music, read a book. stitnjaca1 wrote: Hi Jan or or whoever has a suggestion,Today is 7th day on Armour, 2x1/8 grain. I am tolerating a little better, but I don't feel any better overall. I am more fogy, have more anxiety and I am getting some weird attacks. I am not sure if they are panic attacks or something else. I suddenly become very weak, nauseated, breathing hard, almost not feeling arms and legs, don't even feel my breathing. It's

scary. I take some klonopin and it helps. I spoke to and he will talk to Dr. R.. about it. I wanted to ask you guys your opinion, what would you do? My dose has been much lower now, from 40 mcg T4 to 1/4 grain Armour. I asked J.. if I should add some unithroid and he sad that he wouldn't. You are much more experienced in this, and I would appreciate it if you can give me some suggestions.Thanks,nevenka

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Hi ,

Thank you for the encouragement. I am trying my best, but life is not always allowing us what we need. I thing that most of what I feel now is from thyroid meds deficiency. I was on such a small dose when on T4, and now I take even less, so no wonder I feel terrible.

I do have hope and I do trust dr R..

Yes, I do take iron and nothing else. I have prescription for DHEA 3mg, but sad to wait on that.

Nevenka,One of the best pieces of advice I got when I started out similarly to what you are going through, is to try and be as patient as you can. Remember that this condition didn't happen overnight, and it won't get better overnight. It will take you some time to build up your Armour; it did me. If you're on a very small dose you will have terrible hypo symptoms for awhile. It just takes time, time, time and try not to worry.Are you supplementing with Iron? Hydrocortisone? DHEA? Metanx? Vitamins? Are you eating whole foods as much as possible? Until you can get everything supported and starting to function, and getting the right nutrients and oxygen into your damaged cells, you won't be able to tolerate enough Armour to get you feeling better.I feel bad for you and I understand as I was once where you are. I did actually get worse before I got better, but not for long. You are in the best of hands so try to be patient and rest as much as possible.My best to you~

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Nevenka,

One of the best pieces of advice I got when I started out similarly

to what you are going through, is to try and be as patient as you

can. Remember that this condition didn't happen overnight, and it

won't get better overnight. It will take you some time to build up

your Armour; it did me. If you're on a very small dose you will

have terrible hypo symptoms for awhile. It just takes time, time,

time and try not to worry.

Are you supplementing with Iron? Hydrocortisone? DHEA? Metanx?

Vitamins? Are you eating whole foods as much as possible? Until

you can get everything supported and starting to function, and

getting the right nutrients and oxygen into your damaged cells, you

won't be able to tolerate enough Armour to get you feeling better.

I feel bad for you and I understand as I was once where you are. I

did actually get worse before I got better, but not for long. You

are in the best of hands so try to be patient and rest as much as

possible.

My best to you~

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> Hi Jan or or whoever has a suggestion,

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> Today is 7th day on Armour, 2x1/8 grain. I am tolerating a little

> better, but I don't feel any better overall. I am more fogy, have

> more anxiety and I am getting some weird attacks. I am not sure if

> they are panic attacks or something else. I suddenly become very

> weak, nauseated, breathing hard, almost not feeling arms and legs,

> don't even feel my breathing. It's scary. I take some klonopin and

it

> helps.

> I spoke to and he will talk to Dr. R.. about it.

>

> I wanted to ask you guys your opinion, what would you do? My dose

has

> been much lower now, from 40 mcg T4 to 1/4 grain Armour. I asked

J..

> if I should add some unithroid and he sad that he wouldn't.

> You are much more experienced in this, and I would appreciate it

if

> you can give me some suggestions.

>

> Thanks,

>

> nevenka

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