Re: Re: Has anyone not been able to tolerate Armour?

[Guest guest]

What was your ferritin? The " normal range " and what it should be are two

different things! Mine was 9(range was 10-1XX), it is best in the range of

70-90. When mine was last checked it was in the 30's, can't remember the

exact number.

Armour is best taken sublingual. Then you don't worry about food, it does

straight into your blood. I put mine under my tongue. It take about 15-20

minutes to dissolve, well less time than that on a smaller dose.

I nibble during the day too!

Kate

At 02:48 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote:

>Thanks Kate....yes I have had my ferritin and cortisol levels checked

>just a few weeks ago and they were in normal range. With Armour do

>you have to wait the hour after you take it and two hours after you

>eat to take it like you do with Levoxyl? If I don't take my Levoxyl

>as soon as I get up in the mornings I would have trouble to find a

>time that I could take it during the day. Guess you could say I

>nibble too much throughout the day...lol Bad habit )

>

>

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> > >I go for a blood test in a couple of weeks to check blood levels

>for

> > >my increase in Levoxyl. My last increase a few months ago didn't

> > >touch my blood levels. I went from .75 to .875 Am contemplating on

> > >whether to try Armour if this increase doesn't do anything with the

> > >Levoxyl. I tried Armour about 12 years ago but then dr. then

>didn't

> > >really know much about Armour and started me out on a high

>dose..had

> > >palps and anxiety. He sent me to an Endo then in Altanta and the

> > >Endo then said no wonder you have have palps and anxiety because

> > >Armour does that to alot of people so that is when he put me on

> > >Levoxyl. But when I look at it now after what everyone is saying

>on

> > >this site is that the starting dose of Armour was way too high.

> > >

> > >I have trouble with the dyes in Levoxyl....luckily I am taking

> > >two .50's which have no dye. If I have to increase again I am

>afraid

> > >I will have to get into the pills with the dyes unless there is a

>way

> > >to cut and split to make the next increase with all white pills. I

> > >may be worrying about this too needlessly but would like to have

> > >options if this were the case.

> > >

> > >If I do need another increase and decide to try Armour again what

> > >dosage is recommended to start with after being on .100 of Levoxyl?

> > >

> > >Also, would like to hear if people had trouble with Armour and had

>to

> > >switch back to a synthetic med? Thank you for

>listening...

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[Guest guest]

82 is great!! Wish mine was there. Armour can be taken sublingual or

swallowed, there aren't two forms of it.

My middle name is !

Kate

At 03:36 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote:

>Thanks Kate!

>

>My ferritin was 82 Scale 10 - 291 So it is probably ok.

>

>I didn't know there was a sublinqual Armour! That is great...does

>anyone else here take the sublinqual form? How many mg. did you

>start out with Kate?

>

>Thanks again for the info Kate....

>

>

> > > > >I go for a blood test in a couple of weeks to check blood

>levels

> > >for

> > > > >my increase in Levoxyl. My last increase a few months ago

>didn't

> > > > >touch my blood levels. I went from .75 to .875 Am

>contemplating on

> > > > >whether to try Armour if this increase doesn't do anything

>with the

> > > > >Levoxyl. I tried Armour about 12 years ago but then dr. then

> > >didn't

> > > > >really know much about Armour and started me out on a high

> > >dose..had

> > > > >palps and anxiety. He sent me to an Endo then in Altanta and

>the

> > > > >Endo then said no wonder you have have palps and anxiety

>because

> > > > >Armour does that to alot of people so that is when he put me on

> > > > >Levoxyl. But when I look at it now after what everyone is

>saying

> > >on

> > > > >this site is that the starting dose of Armour was way too high.

> > > > >

> > > > >I have trouble with the dyes in Levoxyl....luckily I am taking

> > > > >two .50's which have no dye. If I have to increase again I am

> > >afraid

> > > > >I will have to get into the pills with the dyes unless there

>is a

> > >way

> > > > >to cut and split to make the next increase with all white

>pills. I

> > > > >may be worrying about this too needlessly but would like to

>have

> > > > >options if this were the case.

> > > > >

> > > > >If I do need another increase and decide to try Armour again

>what

> > > > >dosage is recommended to start with after being on .100 of

>Levoxyl?

> > > > >

> > > > >Also, would like to hear if people had trouble with Armour and

>had

> > >to

> > > > >switch back to a synthetic med? Thank you for

> > >listening...

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

There is no sublingual Armour. Some people just choose to take it that way. There is little if any benefit from taking Armour sublingually, as very little is absorbed through the mouth tissues. Most of what you get is what trickles down your throat. As for the food issue, many of us do take our Armour with food. We probably need a larger dose than we would, were we to take it on an empty stomach, as the prescribing info suggests. Consistency is the key. Then you can adjust your dose around your life, not the other way around. cowgirlgrams wrote: Thanks Kate!My ferritin was 82 Scale 10 - 291 So it is probably ok.I didn't know there was a sublinqual Armour! That is great...does anyone else here take the sublinqual form? How many mg. did you start out with Kate?Thanks again for the info Kate....>> What was your ferritin? The "normal range" and what it should be are two > different things! Mine was 9(range was 10-1XX), it is best in the range of > 70-90. When mine was last checked it was in the 30's, can't remember the > exact number.> > Armour is best taken sublingual. Then you don't worry about food, it does > straight into your blood. I put mine under my tongue. It take

about 15-20 > minutes to dissolve, well less time than that on a smaller dose.> > I nibble during the day too!> > Kate

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When in doubt, read the prescribing info. It says to start with 30 mg and make increases of 15 mg. Folks with good tolerance can start higher and move a little faster to their optimal dose. One of our favorite docs gives most folks three of the 30 mg pills per day, but lets them increase to the full three pills at their own pace. The other favorite doc gives most folks 120 mg.cowgirlgrams wrote: Sounds like our drs. back then went to the same learning school...starting too much too soon. I go to Dr. Yolanda Marcus here in SA...not sure how much education she has in Armour but when I was there

the last time I asked if she prescribed Armour and she said yes...and she had this look on her face like she was wanting me to ask her to try Armour. She wouldn't have any problem in prescribing it but I wonder how educated she is in starting doses. I don't know anyone else on this board that goes to her yet. It also sounds like you have a very sensitive system like myself. Are you getting the palps and anxiety feelings with the increase to 60 mg ? Since I have been undermedicated on Levoxyl all these years...just in the last 6 months or so I noticed my eye brows becoming very thin and patchy. My hair has thinned a great deal over the years also. It hasn't been 6 weeks since the last increase so I am hoping maybe the Levoxyl might help with the hair and eyebrows. At least I have another option...patience is the key here like you said. Thanks for posting Courtenay and hope to get

to meet you at the next meeting in SA. ..> > > ---------------------------------> > I have trouble with the dyes in Levoxyl....luckily I> am taking > two .50's which have no dye. If I have to increase> again I am afraid >

I will have to get into the pills with the dyes unless> there is a way > to cut and split to make the next increase with all> white pills. I > may be worrying about this too needlessly but would> like to have > options if this were the case.> > If I do need another increase and decide to try Armour> again what > dosage is recommended to start with after being on> .100 of Levoxyl?> > Also, would like to hear if people had trouble with> Armour and had to > switch back to a synthetic med? Thank you for> listening...

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[Guest guest]

82 is not optimal, as far as I know. What does your

doctor say? How do you feel?

Courtenay.

--- Kate Guynn wrote:

---------------------------------

82 is great!! Wish mine was there. Armour can be

taken sublingual or

swallowed, there aren't two forms of it.

My middle name is !

Kate

At 03:36 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote:

>Thanks Kate!

>

>My ferritin was 82 Scale 10 - 291 So it is probably

ok.

>

>I didn't know there was a sublinqual Armour! That is

great...does

>anyone else here take the sublinqual form? How many

mg. did you

>start out with Kate?

>

>Thanks again for the info Kate....

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, I forgot to mention one thing-- I went on a two

week sabbatical from all thyroid drugs before

switching to Armour. Made the intial stuff much

easier. I REALLY crashed on the Levoxyl, so I

basically refused to continue until my doctor returned

from his vacation. His colleague okayed it.

Courtenay.

[Guest guest]

Courtenay,

I can't find the article right now, but the ones that I have read say

better 60-90 is the best place to be. As for my doctor, she thinks that so

long as it's in the labs range it's fine. We don't see eye to eye on that

issue. What are you saying is optimal? I'd sure take an 82 over where

mine is!

Kate

At 12:12 AM 1/10/2006, you wrote:

>82 is not optimal, as far as I know. What does your

>doctor say? How do you feel?

>

>Courtenay.

>

>--- Kate Guynn wrote:

>

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>82 is great!! Wish mine was there. Armour can be

>taken sublingual or

>swallowed, there aren't two forms of it.

>

>My middle name is !

>

>Kate

>

>

>At 03:36 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote:

> >Thanks Kate!

> >

> >My ferritin was 82 Scale 10 - 291 So it is probably

>ok.

> >

> >I didn't know there was a sublinqual Armour! That is

>great...does

> >anyone else here take the sublinqual form? How many

>mg. did you

> >start out with Kate?

> >

> >Thanks again for the info Kate....

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It may be that getting it dissolved speeds the digestion process. I do know that some docs recommend chewing it.Terijo wrote: or, rather, taking armour sublingually. I started it this way some timeback. I was disappointed when I heard it was pointless to take it this wayand started swallowing again - and it seemed to become less effective. I dobelieve I get more action out of it sublingually - though I cannot swear toit. As it doesn't hurt, however, I keep taking it sublingually. I like thetaste/smell of armour and it dissolves very quickly. I don't doubt thatmost of it is swallowed - however I seem to absorbing something.Terijo

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Can't say my DH agrees with you - he doesn't like to kiss me if I've been eating piggy parts. :-)

About chewing...it is good that it tastes and smells good like Terijosays it does...

[Guest guest]

Symptoms! My TSH was suppressed and my Free T4 was over range. I had no idea that my leg cramps and arthritis in my wrists were thyroid related. I was amazed when both of those symptoms left 10 days into the Armour. Of course, nobody bothered to run a Free T3 at any time. After I was on Armour, I asked for and got my first Free T3 along with a Free T4. I established my credibility with my internist with regard to self-adjusting my doses. Both were just a hair above mid-range.cowgirlgrams wrote: Thanks so much Jan! I can't believe you were on 300 mcg of $ynthroid and it did nothing at all. Did you mean symptom wise or bloodwork wise. It just kind of blew me away when my bloodwork came back the same as before I started the Levoxyl increase. So it can happen?..> > > ---------------------------------> > I have trouble with the dyes in Levoxyl....luckily I> am taking > two .50's which have no dye. If I have to increase> again I am afraid > I will have to get into the pills with the dyes unless> there is a way > to cut and split to make the next increase with all> white pills. I > may be worrying about this too needlessly but would> like to have > options if this were the case.> > If I do need another increase and decide to try Armour> again what > dosage is recommended to start with after being on> .100 of Levoxyl?> > Also, would like to hear if people had

trouble with> Armour and had to > switch back to a synthetic med? Thank you for> listening...

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Kate--

I'd have to look at my notes from my appointment with

Dr. R. I'll get back to you on this one. All I know

is that my iron and ferritin levels were quite low,

but not completely anemic. My local doctor thought it

was perfectly fine, but I wasn't tolerating Armour.

Dr. R. put me on iron supplementation and my levels

(energy) improved slowly but considerably. So did my

ability to tolerate Armour, which at the time was

almost nil. Regarding numbers and ranges, though, I'd

have to check.

Courtenay.

--- Kate Guynn wrote:

---------------------------------

Courtenay,

I can't find the article right now, but the ones that

I have read say

better 60-90 is the best place to be. As for my

doctor, she thinks that so

long as it's in the labs range it's fine. We don't

see eye to eye on that

issue. What are you saying is optimal? I'd sure take

an 82 over where

mine is!

Kate