Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 BODY {font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;} A thought about two levels...that is working for me right now.... Level one is who I am with the story. Level two is who I am without the story. How's that for saying a lot without a lot of words!? : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 BODY {font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;} I reverse two numbers and that means I'm afraid of God? Wow...my heart goes out to those with dyslexia...they might never get through ACIM and into that Heaven you talk about! And...if someone believes they're dyslexic, that's a level two thought anyway! In a message dated 5/8/2003 8:48:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, john.brennan@... writes: > > I love that you reversed it. According to ACIM that's what we do here > because we are so afraid of God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 BODY {font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;} I giggled when I read this because ACIM is one of the wordiest texts I know out there! I started reading the book because I was looking for clarity..and as I was reading it, I felt like I had to weed through it to get to any of it. It was about a month after starting ACIM that I got 's book...and I seemed to find more clarity in it. I see that when I look for the truth when I'm doing inquiry...I'm also weeding through things to get to the heart of it. The difference that I see is that with ACIM I'm weeding through someone else's thoughts..and with The Work..I'm weeding through my own thoughts. (As if they are mine to start with, though, eh!?) Wow..that was interesting. Thinking that they are my own thoughts was bringing me a lot of comfort in this scenario..and in other times...it's brought me much stress. I just felt a huge opening to this talk of ACIM...my thoughts about it are the same as my thoughts about the Work in some ways. No separation! Pretty cool..and very level 1! haha.. : ) Re: my verbosity...I have been called on that one before on this list... ; ) Yes, I do get wordy when I dialogue with myself or answer questions three and four...(from level two and one respectively) because I like to see exactly how the thought manifests in my life. Sometimes it is enough for me to know that the thought is stressful...period. Other times, it's important for me to dig into it and see the subtleties of it. I do what comes up for me at the time...as it seems you do, also. : ) I appreciate our communication, ...there are times when I've been intimidated by you...and I don't feel that right now, at all. I quite like talking with you. And it's interesting to notice that it's not because you're agreeing with me or validating me somehow. I like talking with you because I like the way *I'm* communicating. : ) Loveness, *mona P.S. Have I asked you before what you think about me calling you ny? I'd like to. : ) > You know when I was a student Mona I used to really enjoy writing 10,000 > word explanations for what could be said in just one line. Its an art that > intellectuals seem to cultivate.Its so funny I often read your Work, and > that of others on the list and think " Why so many words to say something > that could be clearly expressed in one line or less? " " The point is to see > that my thinking is the problem, not move deeper into the story. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Hey Mona, Comments inserted below > > Hi , > > Where does your stress and pain in your stomach come from thinking > **Everything is perfect? If I open my eyes and I see a woman being raped, and I think " Everything is perfect " , then I experience that thought as very stressful. If I was looking down from level one I could probably have the thought " Everything is perfect " and not experience stress. > > I read your Work like I sometimes joke about the Work. > Example: Questions 1-4 > > **I think X. Yes, No, Stressed, pain, separated, Free, me, peace. I don't > think X. > Like all in one breath...and rather vague. (especially 3 and 4) You know when I was a student Mona I used to really enjoy writing 10,000 word explanations for what could be said in just one line. Its an art that intellectuals seem to cultivate. Its so funny I often read your Work, and that of others on the list and think " Why so many words to say something that could be clearly expressed in one line or less? " " The point is to see that my thinking is the problem, not move deeper into the story. " Oh ... well whatever works for you > > On another note...re: a post you just wrote to Morgaine...It sounds very > convenient to have these two levels that you talk about so often...so that > you can have explanations for everything that happens. You can categorize > people and their actions into levels one and/or two..and everything can make > sense to you that way. You can take your inquiry and answer it from which > ever level suits your needs at the moment. Sounds like you've got a good gig > going! Some thoughts: The two levels do not categorize people, they explain thoughts and experience. Without the two levels it is so easy to get caught up in the level confusion I see so often in this group. Inquiry when used as suggested by (only on stressful thoughts) is in my experience based solely on level two. Its aim is to reach what ACIM would call the happy dream. The happy dream is all we need from there the Holy spirit will lift us back to heaven (ACIM). The two levels are just a tool, just like Inquiry is a tool. I hear the projections that you have about the tools, you might want to inquire into them and find out if they are true. Take care ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 > > A thought about two levels...that is working for me right now.... > Level one is who I am with the story. > Level two is who I am without the story. > > How's that for saying a lot without a lot of words!? : ) > Mona according to ACIM and Zen bear: Level one is who I am without the story (God IS) Level two is who I am with the story (Mona story, story etc.) I love that you reversed it. According to ACIM that's what we do here because we are so afraid of God. Just some reflections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 >>If I open my eyes and I see a woman being raped, and I think " Everything is perfect " , then I experience that thought as very stressful. If I was looking down from level one I could probably have the thought " Everything is perfect " and not experience stress.<< If I open my eyes and I see a woman being raped, I don't think at all! I jump unto the guy and squeeze his balls! (And your's too, if I see you watching the rape!) Love Moritz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Moritz, I love it. Inquiry is fabulous and I want someone like you around when I'm *apparently* in trouble!!! " Everything is perfect, " including rape-intervention via ball-squeezing. Love, Carol > >>If I open my eyes and I see a woman being raped, and I > think " Everything is perfect " , then I experience that thought as > very stressful. If I was looking down from level one I could > probably have the thought " Everything is perfect " and not experience > stress.<< > > If I open my eyes and I see a woman being raped, I don't think at > all! I jump unto the guy and squeeze his balls! (And your's too, if > I see you watching the rape!) > > Love > > Mor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 > > > P.S. Have I asked you before what you think about me calling you > ny? I'd like to. : ) ROTFLOL .... where did you ever get " ny " from! Six foot two, ninety five kg and a raw meat eater, that's no name for a Zen bear. Come on lets pick a name with some Grrrrr .... Remember, I eat bliss-ninnies for breakfast Take care ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 LOL. This is so funny. In my mind you are Teddy-bear guy! Love PT Re: -o-rama - Mona > > > P.S. Have I asked you before what you think about me calling you > ny? I'd like to. : ) ROTFLOL .... where did you ever get " ny " from! Six foot two, ninety five kg and a raw meat eater, that's no name for a Zen bear. Come on lets pick a name with some Grrrrr .... Remember, I eat bliss-ninnies for breakfast Take care ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 In your dreams Re: -o-rama - Mona > > > P.S. Have I asked you before what you think about me calling you > ny? I'd like to. : ) ROTFLOL .... where did you ever get " ny " from! Six foot two, ninety five kg and a raw meat eater, that's no name for a Zen bear. Come on lets pick a name with some Grrrrr .... Remember, I eat bliss-ninnies for breakfast Take care ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Dear , You replied to Mona yesterday: >If I open my eyes and I see a woman being raped, and I >think " Everything is perfect " , then I experience that thought as very >stressful. If I was looking down from level one I could probably have >the thought " Everything is perfect " and not experience stress. Oh, the joy of finding someone else here articulate a concern of mine! Yes, when I am n pain (which means almost all the times to varying degrees, right?) I don’t react that well to being reassured by others with “facts” from Level 1 that I am incapable of truly feeling or experiencing most of the time. And yet having occasionally felt them to be true, I feel guilty for not being able to feel it when someone is trying to help me feel better. And of course that doesn’t stop me from telling MYSELF “everything is perfect” as a way to try to feel better! I believe I am not alone in that I tell myself all kinds of things, some contradictory. I guess it’s like waking up with swollen feet and trying on shoes (thoughts/statements) and seeing which feels comfortable enough for doing what I want to do that day. I got a lot of relief from trying to swallow those stressful Level 1 thoughts when I started dwelling more on saying “don’t push your evolution” and dwelling less on her saying “I am your projection”. That projection statement still makes me feel incredibly alone. Or I could say, I make myself feel that way when I try on that belief. >You know when I was a student Mona I used to really enjoy writing >10,000 word explanations for what could be said in just one line. Its >an art that intellectuals seem to cultivate. >Its so funny I often read your Work, and that of others on the list >and think " Why so many words to say something that could be clearly >expressed in one line or less? " For me, as I write, new things will pop up in my body consciousness that want to be expressed. If I breeze through “how do you react..?” answer in one sentence, I haven’t gotten to know me and the consequences of my thoughts any better. It’s not just about thoughts; it’s about emotional feelings and body feelings too, and these require some “sitting with” to come out of the woodwork. > " The point is to see that my thinking >is the problem, not move deeper into the story. " Only when I move deeper into the story with all aspects of my being do I truly experience how much of a problem my thinking is. Thanks for your stimulating post . What I got out of writing this is a reminder to myself that it is not easy for me, but is very fulfilling for me, when I get myself to focus more on the emotions and body feelings that result from a thought when I am doing the Work. Love, Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Well,as I understand it,its not about denying what we see here,say a rape.From level one it would be impossible to see it that way,since all this isnt " real " -eternal(bodies etc). What we can do is to do the work on our thinking and come to peace.If we are being raped or witness one,thats not the time to ponder all of this.We do what we are led to do,a loving response would be to stop it if possible.. > Dear , > You replied to Mona yesterday: > > >If I open my eyes and I see a woman being raped, and I > >think " Everything is perfect " , then I experience that thought as very > >stressful. If I was looking down from level one I could probably have > >the thought " Everything is perfect " and not experience stress. > > Oh, the joy of finding someone else here articulate a concern of mine! Yes, when I am n pain (which means almost all the times to varying degrees, right?) I don?t react that well to being reassured by others with ?facts? from Level 1 that I am incapable of truly feeling or experiencing most of the time. And yet having occasionally felt them to be true, I feel guilty for not being able to feel it when someone is trying to help me feel better. > > And of course that doesn?t stop me from telling MYSELF ?everything is perfect? as a way to try to feel better! I believe I am not alone in that I tell myself all kinds of things, some contradictory. I guess it?s like waking up with swollen feet and trying on shoes (thoughts/statements) and seeing which feels comfortable enough for doing what I want to do that day. > > I got a lot of relief from trying to swallow those stressful Level 1 thoughts when I started dwelling more on saying ?don?t push your evolution? and dwelling less on her saying ?I am your projection?. That projection statement still makes me feel incredibly alone. Or I could say, I make myself feel that way when I try on that belief. > > >You know when I was a student Mona I used to really enjoy writing > >10,000 word explanations for what could be said in just one line. Its > >an art that intellectuals seem to cultivate. > > >Its so funny I often read your Work, and that of others on the list > >and think " Why so many words to say something that could be clearly > >expressed in one line or less? " > > For me, as I write, new things will pop up in my body consciousness that want to be expressed. If I breeze through ?how do you react..?? answer in one sentence, I haven?t gotten to know me and the consequences of my thoughts any better. It?s not just about thoughts; it?s about emotional feelings and body feelings too, and these require some ?sitting with? to come out of the woodwork. > > > " The point is to see that my thinking > >is the problem, not move deeper into the story. " > > Only when I move deeper into the story with all aspects of my being do I truly experience how much of a problem my thinking is. > > Thanks for your stimulating post . What I got out of writing this is a reminder to myself that it is not easy for me, but is very fulfilling for me, when I get myself to focus more on the emotions and body feelings that result from a thought when I am doing the Work. > > Love, Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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