mostly off-topic (was Re: Setting the record straight...) - MODERATORS?

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Suze-

>OK, I guess I need to have the record set straight here. Since there was no

>reprimand for a listmember calling the list owner an asshole, does that mean

>name-calling is an acceptable practice on this list?

No, name-calling is not an acceptable practice, but from my perspective, I

granted Gene more leeway rather than less because he was calling me a name

rather than someone else.

>Is it not a

>moderate-able offense? Honestly, I'm on about 30 lists (I only read a few

>these days though!) and I've never known any of them to allow name-calling

>without some sort of action by the moderator.

Gene is on permanent moderation.

>Forgive me if this was dealt with off-list and I have misspoken.

I've addressed these issues with Gene off-list several times.

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On 7/22/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>

>

> > Re: mostly off-topic (was Re: Setting the record

> >straight...)

>

> >

> >Do I make my point by accidentally including these things? No.

> >Sorry if it annoys you. I'll stop posting, asshole.

>

> OK, I guess I need to have the record set straight here. Since there was no

> reprimand for a listmember calling the list owner an asshole, does that mean

> name-calling is an acceptable practice on this list? Is it not a

> moderate-able offense?

Suze,

is the only moderator on this.

He knows too many cooks spoil the broth

or

The best chief is not the one who persuades people to his point of

view. It is instead the one in whose presence most people find it

easiest to arrive at the truth " . ~Mohawk~

Wanita

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> OK, I guess I need to have the record set straight here. Since

there was no

> reprimand for a listmember calling the list owner an asshole, does

that mean

> name-calling is an acceptable practice on this list? Is it not a

> moderate-able offense? Honestly, I'm on about 30 lists (I only read

a few

> these days though!) and I've never known any of them to allow name-

calling

> without some sort of action by the moderator.

>

> While most of us do not engage in name-calling, so there is

probably little

> risk of 5, 10 or 20 other people starting to call each other

assholes on

> this list anytime soon, it seems to me that allowing this sets a

precident.

> If one list member is allowed to do this, why not the rest of us?

Would

> anyone moderate me if I called another list member a sh*thead

tomorrow?

>

> Maybe it would be a good idea to give us a set of list rules so we

know what

> is acceptable behavior and what is not. Cuz right now, I'm confused

as to

> why something like this is acceptable. And since it does appear to

be

> acceptable (because no one appears to have reprimanded Gene for

it), I feel

> like I need to understand what IS an moderate-able offense?

>

> Forgive me if this was dealt with off-list and I have misspoken.

>

>

> Suze Fisher

I do second you, Suze. I consider myself to be a very mundane (in the

sense of worldly, of having already seen and heard a lot) person, but

I was quite shocked to read that word on the list. Really, that was

the first time ever. I was about to react, but when I saw 's too

mild and polite (in my opinion) response, I felt disencouraged to

speak further. Yes, I agree that this creates a precedent, and I find

it highly obnoxious (to use a term that is so dear to Gene) that he

was given the chance of getting away with it. To say " I will stop

posting, a***e " is purely evasive. Well, maybe he thinks he has a

right to be evasive, but then why join a list at all?

José

[Guest guest]

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>I do second you, Suze. I consider myself to be a very mundane (in the

>sense of worldly, of having already seen and heard a lot) person, but

>I was quite shocked to read that word on the list. Really, that was

>the first time ever. I was about to react, but when I saw 's too

>mild and polite (in my opinion) response, I felt disencouraged to

>speak further. Yes, I agree that this creates a precedent, and I find

>it highly obnoxious (to use a term that is so dear to Gene) that he

>was given the chance of getting away with it. To say " I will stop

>posting, a***e " is purely evasive. Well, maybe he thinks he has a

>right to be evasive, but then why join a list at all?

Since this seems to have bothered at least a few people, I'll explain

myself slightly further. My commitment to and belief in the value of free

speech is greater than my belief in the value of politeness, though I also

place a fairly high premium on politeness. If he'd called anyone else a

name, though, I would have bounced the message. Because it was directed at

me, though, and because words like that have absolutely no effect on me, I

let it through. I'm sorry if this disturbed anyone. Having an extremely

high tolerance for so-called " harsh " language, it doesn't always occur to

me that other people are more easily unsettled.

That said, everyone should understand that the leeway I might extend some

people when addressing me does not extend to their discourse with other

people. Name-calling of list members is not allowed and will not be tolerated.

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nor as reactive as Gene might have predicted. That

> would have been ordinary.

> Who knows? His ways are a mystery.

> B.

LOL