What is the velcro, the buy in, the attaching gesture?

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believing they are true?

What is the " velcro " , the " buy in " , the

" attaching gesture " ?

I have a " question " or consideration for this invincable band of

truth lovers and thought dropping inquiriers.

What is your take on how or why we " velcro " or " attach to "

or " invest " into certain thoughts, yet gently allow other thoughts

to simply show up and simply go?

What is this " velcroing " , or " attaching to thoughts " gesture?

Thoughts?

Charlie

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Dear Steve:

Yes, believing that thoughts are true is the " velcro " ; however, the

deeper question is, why do I choose to believe some are true;

while " gently allowing others to simply show up and simply go? " . I

feel that Charlie's question is an interesting one.

Here is a " second generation story " about Charlie's question. " What

is it that chooses to believe or not to believe or to " velcro " or not

to " velcro " ? "

Since " we are not really the doer " , who is really " attaching "

or " detaching " ? I have some stories about this but none of them are

true, so I will not bother to post them here.

Steve D.

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> What is the " velcro " , the " buy in " , the

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> What is this " velcroing " , or " attaching to thoughts " gesture?

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> Thoughts?

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Thats a good question.I ve noticed that I tend to attach,buy in to

thoughts that fits in with similar thoughts that I already

accepted.Versus if it doesnt agree at all,then I dont so easily buy

it.SO is it pure laziness?I would have to rethink the thought it

doesnt fit with,old beliefs.Or is it fear?So how it all started oh

my,the first untrue thought and all the following thoughts...I will do

tw and see what comes for me on this.

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> I have a " question " or consideration for this invincable band of

> truth lovers and thought dropping inquiriers.

>

> What is your take on how or why we " velcro " or " attach to "

> or " invest " into certain thoughts, yet gently allow other thoughts

> to simply show up and simply go?

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> What is this " velcroing " , or " attaching to thoughts " gesture?

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> Thoughts?

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> Charlie

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Steve,

That is the ultimate question! Why do some things trigger an attachment

to a " non-truth " and why do we easily accept it?

Well for me, I found my attachment to an untruth usually took me out of

my usual pleasant feelings, I too wanted to dig into it, I also was very

down on myself for this. I saw it as a " morose mood " aimed at me

mostly.

In the early stages of this shift into a way of thinking, I found myself

wanting others to behave a different way than they did, intellectually I

could spout all the reasons they " should do as they do " yet I lamented

over the state of humanity....LOL (snobbish into others business!)

What I came away with was my own little explanation of what was going

on, and I can't say it is true for anyone else, but for me it worked...

I realized that my ego, the first attachment to this bodily state, was

not getting the attention it so desired. It is a narcissistic little

thing and so if I was " out of me and into other's business " it would

feel like crap. If I then did not take care of it, it was going to get

LAA in anyway it could...usually by fixing others, or attaching to some

untruth for attention.

When I noticed that I was not here with me totally and I started to get

pangs of dissatisfaction then instead of saying " what the Hell is wrong

with me " or " why do I get my undies in such a bundle over stupid shit " ,

I just stopped. I did something totally different. I took a nice bath,

gave me a great meal, stopped my busy life and got a massage and did it

just for enjoyment, not to fix me. I stopped trying, I guess and just

liked this " me " ...then the attachments quit. It worked so I am

imagining in my story that it has to do with getting LAA in some

fashion...that is why we attach.

I can understand the ideology behind nothing being me and the ego not

being " real " but I choose to live in this life form and reality and so I

am not fighting that ego. It is what the " it " saw as me and here it

is....April!

So when April is bummed then damn, better be nice to her and wow, no

bummed! LOL I want to live in this body and I want to attach to it in

some fashion. I like it. I have no interest in not attaching to it in

some minor way because I am living in it! I have plenty of time when I

will not, and for now, well I am going to enjoy this state of being. I

don't want to find some other way of being because this for me is REAL.

I am not into finding out what it is like to be detached from " even

this " ....I don't have to to find peace.

I had a near death experience and in my experience I already know what

it was like and I want to enjoy this now. So I am going to be good to

me! I guess that is what quit most attaching as I am getting LAA LAA's!

LOL

Love,

April

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Hi Charlie, Hi Steve,

Just some thoughts...

My feeling is that thoughts comes and goes just like clouds;

only when I turn them into beliefs do I attach to them. To do so, I provide

them with enough references (proofs of truth) I shape them into beliefs that

I think will help me avoiding pain or lead me to pleasure. To my

mind, the velcro is: My pursuit in avoiding pain and getting pleasure

(whatever sort). My beliefs are kind of generalizations about my past

experiences, especially about my interpretations of how painful or

pleasurable they were. However If I investigate those beliefs and especially

those " proofs of truth " , I can undo their references, and the beliefs become

just ordinary thoughts that can fall off... on their own accord.

Love to you.

Saroj

What is the " velcro " , the " buy in " , the " attaching

gesture " ?

I have a " question " or consideration for this invincable band of

truth lovers and thought dropping inquiriers.

What is your take on how or why we " velcro " or " attach to "

or " invest " into certain thoughts, yet gently allow other thoughts

to simply show up and simply go?

What is this " velcroing " , or " attaching to thoughts " gesture?

Thoughts?

Charlie