Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 > > It has occurred to me that the main difference between now and then > is that more folks are living near the beach. I suspect Krakatoa would kill > a LOT more people if it happened now. > > > Heidi Jean What do people make of this? Can animals sense disaster? By Ed Stoddard Wild animals seem to have escaped the Indian Ocean tsunami, adding weight to notions they possess a " sixth sense " for disasters, experts said on Thursday. Sri Lankan wildlife officials have said the giant waves that killed over 24 000 people along the Indian Ocean island's coast seemingly missed wild beasts, with no dead animals found. " No elephants are dead, not even a dead hare or rabbit. I think animals can sense disaster. They have a sixth sense. They know when things are happening, " HD Ratnayake, deputy director of Sri Lanka's Wildlife Department, said on Wednesday. 'I think animals can sense disaster' The waves washed floodwaters up to two kilometres inland at Yala National Park in the ravaged south-east, Sri Lanka's biggest wildlife reserve and home to hundreds of wild elephants and several leopards. " There has been a lot of anecdotal evidence about dogs barking or birds migrating before volcanic eruptions or earthquakes. But it has not been proven, " said van Lierop, an animal behavior specialist at Johannesburg Zoo. " There have been no specific studies because you can't really test it in a lab or field setting, " he told Reuters. Other authorities concurred with this assessment. " Wildlife seem to be able to pick up certain phenomenon, especially birds... there are many reports of birds detecting impending disasters, " said Clive , who has written several books on African wildlife. Animals certainly rely on the known senses such as smell or hearing to avoid danger such as predators. The notion of an animal " sixth sense " - or some other mythical power - is an enduring one which the evidence on Sri Lanka's battered coast is likely to add to. The Romans saw owls as omens of impending disaster and many ancient cultures viewed elephants as sacred animals endowed with special powers or attributes. The tsunami was triggered by an earthquake in the Indian Ocean Sunday. It killed tens of thousands of people in Asia and East Africa. Reuters Published on the Web by IOL on 2004-12-31 13:56:18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 >>In August 1883, Krakatoa island between Java and Sumatra exploded causing >>a tsunami 131 feet high and killing over 36,000 people. 163 coastal villages >>were destroyed from the tidal wave. The blast was equivalent to 200 megatons >>of TNT. >> >> > >It has occurred to me that the main difference between now and then >is that more folks are living near the beach. I suspect Krakatoa would kill >a LOT more people if it happened now. > > >Heidi Jean > We checked out the NG Tsunami video from the library yesterday. One geologist mentioned tsunamis from the legends of natives in the Pacific Northwest, which provoked endeavors to locate any real source in sediments. Evidence uncovered by his team show repetitive events in the area, confirming legends. One thousand years ago, apparently an earthquake in Puget Sound lifted Seattle 20' then tsunami dropped her back down. This guy mentioned that no tsunami routes were present in WA (at the time?), yet he said Oregon had - much like the hurricane exit routes along the Atlantic coast - clear signs for evacuating. ~ Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 I recall reading about a cockroach experiment where they put the little buggers in cages on the San s fault and then monitored their movement to correlate with earthquakes. Also didn't the Japanese traditionally keep goldfish inside and watch them for erractic swimming for an early warning sign? Lynn > > > > > > It has occurred to me that the main difference between now and then > > is that more folks are living near the beach. I suspect Krakatoa > would kill > > a LOT more people if it happened now. > > > > > > Heidi Jean > > What do people make of this? > > > > Can animals sense disaster? > > By Ed Stoddard > > Wild animals seem to have escaped the Indian Ocean tsunami, adding > weight to notions they possess a " sixth sense " for disasters, experts > said on Thursday. > > Sri Lankan wildlife officials have said the giant waves that killed > over 24 000 people along the Indian Ocean island's coast seemingly > missed wild beasts, with no dead animals found. > > " No elephants are dead, not even a dead hare or rabbit. I think > animals can sense disaster. They have a sixth sense. They know when > things are happening, " HD Ratnayake, deputy director of Sri Lanka's > Wildlife Department, said on Wednesday. > > 'I think animals can sense disaster' > > The waves washed floodwaters up to two kilometres inland at Yala > National Park in the ravaged south-east, Sri Lanka's biggest wildlife > reserve and home to hundreds of wild elephants and several leopards. > " There has been a lot of anecdotal evidence about dogs barking or > birds migrating before volcanic eruptions or earthquakes. But it has > not been proven, " said van Lierop, an animal behavior > specialist at Johannesburg Zoo. > > " There have been no specific studies because you can't really test it > in a lab or field setting, " he told Reuters. > > Other authorities concurred with this assessment. > > " Wildlife seem to be able to pick up certain phenomenon, especially > birds... there are many reports of birds detecting impending > disasters, " said Clive , who has written several books on > African wildlife. > > Animals certainly rely on the known senses such as smell or hearing to > avoid danger such as predators. > > The notion of an animal " sixth sense " - or some other mythical power - > is an enduring one which the evidence on Sri Lanka's battered coast is > likely to add to. > > The Romans saw owls as omens of impending disaster and many ancient > cultures viewed elephants as sacred animals endowed with special > powers or attributes. > > The tsunami was triggered by an earthquake in the Indian Ocean Sunday. > It killed tens of thousands of people in Asia and East Africa. > > Reuters > > Published on the Web by IOL on 2004-12-31 13:56:18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 >What do people make of this? > >Can animals sense disaster? > >By Ed Stoddard > >Wild animals seem to have escaped the Indian Ocean tsunami, adding >weight to notions they possess a " sixth sense " for disasters, experts >said on Thursday. I think I read something in Science News or one of those where they believe they have figured out the sound that animals hear in earthquakes ... I'd guess they can detect a tsunami coming too. With earthquakes it's not exactly " 6th sense " ... it's plain ol' hearing, but very, very low tones that humans can't hear. Of course their might be other things too ... with an earthquake as big as that one was ... Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 >. This guy mentioned that no tsunami routes were present in WA >(at the time?), yet he said Oregon had - much like the hurricane exit >routes along the Atlantic coast - clear signs for evacuating. > >~ Deanna What do you mean by " tsunami routes " ? That the natives knew a tsunami was coming and evacuated? Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 I saw a video years ago about people who could sense that Mt Saint helen's was about to blow and could sense earthquakes. Like a noise in their head or something like that. I can't recall. We've had two minor earthquakes large enough to be felt here in Atlanta. (yup believe it or not we do get them every couple of decades). Both times I woke in the middle of the night about 10 minutes before it happened thinking bathroom and felt the house rumble. I rarely ever randomly wake at night. I could see how if animals have a sixth sense about what they need mineral wise they could also have a sense to protect them from natural disasters. We could too buried somewhere in us. Lynn > > >. This guy mentioned that no tsunami routes were present in WA > >(at the time?), yet he said Oregon had - much like the hurricane exit > >routes along the Atlantic coast - clear signs for evacuating. > > > >~ Deanna > > What do you mean by " tsunami routes " ? That the natives knew > a tsunami was coming and evacuated? > > > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 - >What do people make of this? It's likely that a lot of animals are more sensitive to both infrasound and ultrasound than people are. Also, they grow up in and learn from a natural environment. Perhaps some of the sound cues which alert animals of disaster are drowned out by the noise pollution of modern infrastructure, even of the sorts to be found in the third world. Just speculation. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Haven't got mail all weekend. They just sent a bounce reactivation. Seeing if this will come through from website. Could be a quicker than usual change in barometric pressure which is head pressure in me especially with noreasters in the winter. Was a full moon so that made tsunami worse with the higher tides. Animal behavior and people's, especially crime and mental disorders get more hyped up on full moons. With pressure under the earth from the volcano, pressure of the sea and sky their fight or flight instinct led them to higher ground. Lynn, we had a few days last winter of frozen pipes when it was 40 below. Me, who never wakes up at night, was wide awake at 4:15AM, minutes before I heard the intake blow off the water pump, shooting water all over the kitchen. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 >I could see how if animals have a sixth sense about what they need >mineral wise they could also have a sense to protect them from natural >disasters. We could too buried somewhere in us. > >Lynn Many animals also sense magnetic fields, and use them for directions. I suspect a big earthquake might affect those too. Humans might have some magnetic field sense too, we just don't pay attention to it? Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 > > > > > >>. This guy mentioned that no tsunami routes were present in WA >>(at the time?), yet he said Oregon had - much like the hurricane exit >>routes along the Atlantic coast - clear signs for evacuating. >> >>~ Deanna >> >> > >What do you mean by " tsunami routes " ? That the natives knew >a tsunami was coming and evacuated? > > >Heidi Jean > Heidi, was that vague or what? Let me try again. The geologist was worried about modern folk not having clear road signs designating proper escape routes in the even of a tsunami. Oregon had such routes established, but Seattle didn't (at the making of the movie, © 1997). So I am curious whether y'all have road signs showing which roads to take in the event of a tsunami in Seattle, or not. ~ Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 > Heidi, was that vague or what? Let me try again. The geologist was > worried about modern folk not having clear road signs designating > proper > escape routes in the even of a tsunami. Oregon had such routes > established, but Seattle didn't (at the making of the movie, © 1997). OH yeah, I've seen the ones all along the Oregon coast, they're VERY well-marked. The Oregon coast is rather cliff-y, so it's easy to make it to high ground if you pay attention, but in case you're a bit clueless or bad in a panic (like me) they have very clear signs basically saying " HEY YOU! HIGH GROUND IS ***THIS*** WAY!! " Lynn S. ------ Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.knitting911.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 At 01:09 PM 1/3/05 -0800, you wrote: >but in case you're a bit >clueless or bad in a panic (like me) they have very clear signs >basically saying " HEY YOU! HIGH GROUND IS ***THIS*** WAY!! " > >Lynn S. As opposed to me, who needs very clear signs basically saying " HEY YOU! GRASS-FED BEEF IS ***THIS*** WAY!! " MFJ Once, poets were magicians. Poets were strong, stronger than warriors or kings - stronger than old hapless gods. And they will be strong once again. ~Greg Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 > " HEY YOU! > GRASS-FED BEEF IS ***THIS*** WAY!! " WHERE?! boy do I need some a those signs. Grass fed is available around here but at a really high premium... Lynn S. ------ Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.knitting911.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 >> " HEY YOU! >> GRASS-FED BEEF IS ***THIS*** WAY!! " > >WHERE?! boy do I need some a those signs. Grass fed is available around >here but at a really high premium... > >Lynn S. I know someone who lost a dog east of the mountains. He was going around knocking on doors asking if anyone had seen his dog. Lots of cows grazing around. Couple of farmers said in response to his inquiries: " Hey, you want a cow? " Basically if you see steer grazing, the owner might very well be amenable to selling one or two. The prices they get after the steer is all " grained up " are pathetic: the middlemen make the money. So, if you want grass fed: don't look in the stores. Look for cows grazing in a field. (sorry, we don't have signs for that either, I'm happy I don't have the competition :-) Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 > Wow, that's a great idea! No, we don't have 'em in Seattle that > I've seen. I'm not sure what a tsunami would do in the Sound ... > Seattle > isn't on the ocean directly. I'd be very surprised if a tidal wave would come into the sound. There's evidence that there was a huge earthquake with tidal wave along the Oregon coast about 300 years ago (can't find refs right now) and we're all just sitting here in Portland waiting for it to happen again. Not that Portland would get a tidal wave, but...you know. Lynn S. ------ Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.knitting911.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 > So, if you want grass fed: don't look in the stores. Look > for cows grazing in a field. sigh. Just gotta drive around in the country more, I guess. Lynn S. ------ Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.knitting911.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 > >> Heidi, was that vague or what? Let me try again. The geologist was >> worried about modern folk not having clear road signs designating >> proper >> escape routes in the even of a tsunami. Oregon had such routes >> established, but Seattle didn't (at the making of the movie, © 1997). > >OH yeah, I've seen the ones all along the Oregon coast, they're VERY >well-marked. The Oregon coast is rather cliff-y, so it's easy to make >it to high ground if you pay attention, but in case you're a bit >clueless or bad in a panic (like me) they have very clear signs >basically saying " HEY YOU! HIGH GROUND IS ***THIS*** WAY!! " > >Lynn S. Wow, that's a great idea! No, we don't have 'em in Seattle that I've seen. I'm not sure what a tsunami would do in the Sound ... Seattle isn't on the ocean directly. Evacuating Seattle though, would be a nightmare! A lot of places are cliffy, and the houses are on the cliffs, so they'd likely be safe enough, and Seattle proper is on hills, but it's really, really densely packed. Good quake zone too. Me, I'm not in the city and I'm on a big hill. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 >I'd be very surprised if a tidal wave would come into the sound. >There's evidence that there was a huge earthquake with tidal wave along >the Oregon coast about 300 years ago (can't find refs right now) and >we're all just sitting here in Portland waiting for it to happen again. >Not that Portland would get a tidal wave, but...you know. > >Lynn S. > But that's what I was saying. NG interviewed this geology dude who said 1000 ya an earthquake in Puget Sound caused a tsunami that did a number on what is now Seattle. I am not up on faults and plates other than major ones north of my home state of CA, but that's what I saw. I was thinking those of you in Pacific NW might have some better idea. He was making a big stink on no signs for evacuation in the whole state of WA. Most recent evidence was 300 ya earthquake from AK left sedimentary evidence on shores of WA. The same movie showed destruction of Crescent City, CA from the big 1964 Alaskan earthquake. http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/web_tsus/19640328/narrative8.htm Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 >But that's what I was saying. NG interviewed this geology dude who said >1000 ya an earthquake in Puget Sound caused a tsunami that did a number >on what is now Seattle. I am not up on faults and plates other than >major ones north of my home state of CA, but that's what I saw. I was >thinking those of you in Pacific NW might have some better idea. He was >making a big stink on no signs for evacuation in the whole state of WA. There is no way to evacuate Seattle as it exists now though. That's the whole problem with high population densities. Shoot, you can't even get from North Seattle to South Seattle in less than two hours, during rush hour, which now extends over about 4 hours a day. The main corridors are packed most of the day, and that is only with a small portion of the population driving. They ARE fairly sure though, that Mount Rainier will explode, and are making evacuation plans for the towns that are now located in the mudflows. Mt. St. Helens woke people up to that one. An even worse scenario: at some times in history, the entire Los Angeles basin was flooded. THAT is one flat city, unlike Seattle which is full of hills. But there is no way you could evacuate it, unless you had at least a week's warning. Hmm. I didn't see any Tsunami warnings in LA either, and those are some really flat beaches. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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