sausage goodies/ gluten/casein problems-question

[Guest guest]

>Question: for HJ, can you elaborate on the neurological effects? I realized I

was dairy intolerant 20 something years ago and took myself off all dairy. I

have since backslidden into doing cheese and fermented dairy, like buttermilk,

yogurt etc, Inerrantly i put myself back into raw milk (thinking it was a good

thing) for about a month when I suffered a killer vertigo problem and a migraine

that lasted 4 days. Needless to say I gave it up. Doc also said I had slight

celiac tendencies.

First, I'm not sure what " slight celiac tendencies " are .. if a person has an

IgA reaction

to gluten, then gluten is very likely to cause health problems for that person

(tho

maybe not celiac, sometimes the reaction is something else). Dangerous Grains

lays out the controversy there pretty well.

As for why gluten and casein cause neurological reactions ... I haven't seen

any real consensus. One camp thinks it is an opioid problem, that the undigested

proteins get into the blood and bind to the opioid receptors in the brain. The

problem seems to be that when people have these IgA reactions, both

the gut AND the brain barriers become permeable, so odd proteins get into

the blood AND into the brain. Which I guess makes it understandable that

the brain should react! The reactions aren't the same for everyone though,

and there is such a wide variety of reactions, that some people don't think

it is an opioid reaction, it's something else. But at any rate, they have given

kids who have such reactions MRI's before and after they eat the offending

food, and their brain activity changes. So *something* happens, but they

aren't sure what. OTOH, they have found opioids in the urine of folks

who have such reactions, so opioids might be involved.

For me, the day after I ingest casein, I feel very " foggy " and can't think

clearly, and my eyes get blurry, and sometimes I get migraines. I have met

other folks though who get ADD or ADHD symptoms, and one young

man who goes outright schizophrenic (as was his diagnosis before his

mother did some research). Personally I find it odd that any mammal should

react to casein, I tend to think it might be an offshoot of the gluten

reaction (lack of digestion of the casein due to low HCL or something

like that). However, when baby rats are exposed to un-hydrolyzed casein

THEY get problems, which is weird ... I guess mama's rat milk is ok, but

cow milk is not ok unless fermented? A lot of these intolerances are

set up in babyhood, so maybe it's a generational problem, we were

all raised on Enfamil ...

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Heidi-

>I find it odd that any mammal should

>react to casein, I tend to think it might be an offshoot of the gluten

>reaction (lack of digestion of the casein due to low HCL or something

>like that). However, when baby rats are exposed to un-hydrolyzed casein

>THEY get problems, which is weird ... I guess mama's rat milk is ok, but

>cow milk is not ok unless fermented?

One reason may be more due to semantics than anything else. " Casein " is

really a family of related proteins, so rat casein may actually be

meaningfully different from cow casein, much as Guernsey casein is supposed

to be different from " regular " cow casein from most or all other

breeds. Unfortunately, this problem of foggy nomenclature is endemic to

medicine and biology. Harmful variants of vitamins are conflated with

natural forms, entire families of compounds are treated as single entities,

etc.

Besides that, the casein the rats were exposed to was probably processed

and purified.

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[Guest guest]

>One reason may be more due to semantics than anything else. " Casein " is

>really a family of related proteins, so rat casein may actually be

>meaningfully different from cow casein, much as Guernsey casein is supposed

>to be different from " regular " cow casein from most or all other

>breeds. Unfortunately, this problem of foggy nomenclature is endemic to

>medicine and biology. Harmful variants of vitamins are conflated with

>natural forms, entire families of compounds are treated as single entities,

>etc.

>

>Besides that, the casein the rats were exposed to was probably processed

>and purified.

:

Good points.

Heidi Jean