RE: Important PCRM lawsuit announcement

[Guest guest]

Umm....I actually agree with them.

Commercial (UHT, homogenised) milk does indeed cause weight gain - I am a

walking proof

of that )

> Adding dairy products to your diet is more likely to cause weight gain

> than weight loss, and cow's milk has been linked to increased risk

> of heart disease, cancer, and other serious health problems.

Homogenised milk has indeed been linked to heart disease.

Hasn't Dr. Enig of the WAPF does pioneering work in that field?

And UHT milk also causes weight gain.

I started drinking UHT milk after moving to the US, and within 2 years I gained

a

whopping 50 lbs.

It took more than a year of Atkins-style LC diet to get rid of most of it.

There were other reasons as well (lifestyle, junk food, etc.) but milk was part

of it.

> To bring this case, we

> need someone who bought and consumed dairy products (milk, yogurt, or

> cheese) to lose weight in reliance on these advertisements. If you or

> someone you know fits into this category and is interested in helping,

Maybe I should contact them.

Heck, if they win the lawsuit, I will get some $$$ and can use that to buy raw

milk, raw

cheeses, mmmmmmmm :drolling and dreaming:

-Pratick

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[Guest guest]

Unbelievable!

PCRM would like to bring a lawsuit against the dairy

> industry for false advertising. The lawsuit would seek compensatory

> damages on behalf of an injured plaintiff and would use any information

> obtained to alert the public about this false weight loss claim and the

> health risks associated with dairy consumption.

[Guest guest]

>Umm....I actually agree with them.

>Commercial (UHT, homogenised) milk does indeed cause weight gain - I am a

walking proof

>of that )

>

> Homogenised milk has indeed been linked to heart disease.

>

>Hasn't Dr. Enig of the WAPF does pioneering work in that field?

>

>And UHT milk also causes weight gain.

>

>I started drinking UHT milk after moving to the US, and within 2 years I gained

a

>whopping 50 lbs.

>It took more than a year of Atkins-style LC diet to get rid of most of it.

>

>There were other reasons as well (lifestyle, junk food, etc.) but milk was part

of it.

>

>

>Maybe I should contact them.

>Heck, if they win the lawsuit, I will get some $$$ and can use that to buy raw

milk, raw

>cheeses, mmmmmmmm :drolling and dreaming:

>

>-Pratick

>

Pratick,

I agree with you wholeheartedly that dead milk puts on dead weight.

However, raw dairy producers are indeed part of the " dairy industry "

that PCRM is trying to financially hurt. They want to end animal foods

on the planet. Also, the way they go about this sort of lawsuit is just

plain sad and a waste of money for everyone involved - at least I can't

see any US court taking this sort of thing seriously, they haven't in

the past. Soliciting victims is quite unethical in my book.

But if you do contact them, be prepared for shortsighted, vegan at all

costs advice. They might mention B-12, and DHA, but will advocate vegan

supplements (whatever those are). Get ready, because they will be soy

happy to help you and your family get off of the evil animal foods and

on the tofu express.

http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/pregnancy.html

http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/veg_diets_for_children.html

Better to lobby for the raw stuff first hand. ;-)

Deanna

[Guest guest]

> at least I can't

> see any US court taking this sort of thing seriously, they haven't in

> the past.

Twisted as this may sound, I believe the political clout of the big business

Dairy

industry will probably ensure that such a laswuit is thrown out.

So in this case, two " wrongs " will indeed cancel each other out and make a

" right " ;o)

> http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/pregnancy.html

> http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/veg_diets_for_children.html

Can you believe this fraudulent bull shit?

Look at the stuff they are recommending for babies, infants and growing children

!

As a parent, I would have sued *them* if I had the money !

Are you familiar with Halleluia Acres (another strict vegan group, but not as

militant as

PCRM)?

Their website is hacres.com

Recently, one of their own " ministers " conducted tests on some of their loyal

members and

found them severly deficient in B12, Selenium, Biotin, DHA, Calcium and a host

of other

critical nutrients.

Their solution - take synthetic supplements, but don't consume non-vegan food !

Between the two extremes of veganism and the typical SAD, no wonder so many

people are so

ill.

-Pratick

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[Guest guest]

>Can you believe this fraudulent bull shit?

>Look at the stuff they are recommending for babies, infants and growing

children !

>As a parent, I would have sued *them* if I had the money !

>

>

Yeah, the vegan diet doesn't add up, nutritionally speaking. Notice the

high soy intake to attain basic protein requirements. And when these

doctors push it as a perfectly healthy diet for pregnant women and their

offspring, and some of us (stupid) former vegans fall for it (luckily

after our kids were school age, and only for short periods of time

because it's so difficult), well, that really chaps my hide. It's just

like all the dietary advice out there. It is so conflicting and based

often on $$$. Your spend to eat junk that makes you sick so you can

spend to take drugs that hide the symptoms, so you can have hospital

stays and surgeries. There is a lot of money tied up in the whole thing.

>Are you familiar with Halleluia Acres (another strict vegan group, but not as

militant as

>PCRM)?

>Their website is hacres.com

>Recently, one of their own " ministers " conducted tests on some of their loyal

members and

>found them severly deficient in B12, Selenium, Biotin, DHA, Calcium and a host

of other

>critical nutrients.

>Their solution - take synthetic supplements, but don't consume non-vegan food !

>

>Between the two extremes of veganism and the typical SAD, no wonder so many

people are so

>ill.

>

>-Pratick

>

Oh yes, I am familiar with Halleluia Acres. But Pratick, never fear, HA

sells all of the supplements you need to stay on the diet. I have

become very leery of dietary dogma that isn't based on whole foods. I

realize our foods are depleted, but if you can't get the nutrition from

MAINLY whole foods, something's amiss. And usually, someone has

something to sell you in such a case.

I actually do well eating a high raw diet when it's seasonal to do so,

but when I went all raw vegan, I could only handle it for two weeks. I

was brain dead and lethargic, probably deficient in B-12, DHA, etc. I

craved eggs and sardines like a pregnant women, ate these foods and

found WAPF. I have never looked back. That was a bit over a year ago.

I think we do need to tweak our diets for our own needs, once we figure

out what works. Some do well with grains. Some can't have dairy. I

personally eat pretty much hunter-gatherer style. Dr. Price found diets

that ran the gamut, but he also found that those who were eating (what

would have been considered) vegan diets just didn't thrive as well as

the ones who ate animal foods.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

They want to end

> animal foods on the planet.

> Deanna

The people who ran the week-long Yoga Retreat I attended in December told me

that they served vegan food so that only " nice people " would sign up. We had

the conversation because they'd promised me ahead of time that there would

be fresh fish and eggs available as well. When I complained, they said they

were sorry I was " disappointed " but they were doing it for my own good...

Proselytizers everywhere you look!

~Robin

[Guest guest]

--- Robin Reese <robin.reese@...> wrote:

> When I complained, they said they

> were sorry I was " disappointed " but they were doing it for my own good...

Don't you just love it when someone seems to know better than you what is good

for you?

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