New Group for discussing Infant Feeding

[Guest guest]

Colby and I have begun a group to discuss infant nutrition, as we

develop some articles on this subject for WAPF. Here is the description:

Native Infant Nutrition (NIN) is a group dedicated to

locating relevant research to support breastfeeding,

determining if and when supplementation is warranted,

and investigating traditional nutrient-dense

feeding of infants through the lens of Dr. Weston A.

Price. We wish to slice through popular

misconceptions and address the available evidence

that supports proper infant feeding. We understand

this subject can be experientially and emotionally driven,

often producing more heat than light, however, we

hope the nature of our discussions will remain as

objective and evidential as possible.

If you'd like to help us in this effort, we would appreciate it.

native-infant-nutrition/

Thank you.

Deanna Wagner

Ft. Worth, TX Chapter, WAPF

http://www.salvonix.com/WAP/

[Guest guest]

I'm a little unclear on why you're splitting this valuable subject off from

this list.

>Colby and I have begun a group to discuss infant nutrition, as we

>develop some articles on this subject for WAPF. Here is the description:

>

>Native Infant Nutrition (NIN) is a group dedicated to

>locating relevant research to support breastfeeding,

>determining if and when supplementation is warranted,

>and investigating traditional nutrient-dense

>feeding of infants through the lens of Dr. Weston A.

>Price. We wish to slice through popular

>misconceptions and address the available evidence

>that supports proper infant feeding. We understand

>this subject can be experientially and emotionally driven,

>often producing more heat than light, however, we

>hope the nature of our discussions will remain as

>objective and evidential as possible.

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[Guest guest]

Hello ,

>I'm a little unclear on why you're splitting this valuable subject off from

>this list.

>

>

It was suggested to me and sounded like a good idea. As you may know, I

was wanting to get some clarity on the breastfeeding issue, rather than

jump the foundation ship. I have garnered so much support offline about

ways we can do that. Colby wrote from the chapter leaders' list that

the topic was often a hot one emotionally. We decided to try and work

to cut through that together to get some well-referenced information

together to present to WAPF. It was just a way to research in a more

private setting. He is research lead, I am general manager, and we have

a great group of folks interested in teaching and learning already. :-)

Beyond that, we are finding there is a real need in this arena for

information. I have received a few comments that NT doesn't cover the

topic much, but as we know, NAPD does. The whole idea of special foods

during the " reproductive years " if you will is not considered much in

the mainstream. Price also spoke about the spacing of children, which

really doesn't get much press either. Thus, the group has a new

paragraph to its description. <g>

" We encourage the exploration of diets and lifestyles

that influence the health of infants from

preconception onward. Dr. Price found that healthy

societies sought out nutrient-dense whole foods with

fat soluble activators, which they believed optimized

fertility and child development. It is arguably the

most important time for proper nutrition. We are pleased

to welcome you whether you have children now, or are thinking

of starting a family in the future. "

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>Native Infant Nutrition (NIN)

>I went to sign up for this group and couldn't find it. Is it up and running

>yet?

>

Carli,

Yes it is up, but don't mind the cows on the homepage <g>. It is the

only pic of " babies " I had on my hard drive at the time. Membership

requires approval, but no problem there. We are about science-based

nutrition from preconception on. In fact, we will start with

preconception, work up to the myths and truths of breastfeeding soon

enough, and go on from there mixing and matching along the way. Find us at:

native-infant-nutrition/

Deanna

[Guest guest]

On 9/8/05, Deanna Wagner <hl@...> wrote:

> Beyond that, we are finding there is a real need in this arena for

> information. I have received a few comments that NT doesn't cover the

> topic much, but as we know, NAPD does. The whole idea of special foods

> during the " reproductive years " if you will is not considered much in

> the mainstream. Price also spoke about the spacing of children, which

> really doesn't get much press either. Thus, the group has a new

> paragraph to its description. <g>

Funny you should mention this because I was just thinking last night

that he also talks about what to do with babies after they are

immediately born, which is quite at odds with what normally goes on

after a child is delivered, be it either homebirth or hospital birth.

I do think however that WAPF does cover the prenatal feeding aspect

fairly well, where some info might be helpful though is for those who

are casein free/gluten free, since dairy is a big part of the WAPF and

the Blue Ribbon baby approach.

I think the spacing issue will generate some heat as well as light

since it appears that with proper ecological breastfeeding the average

spacing is about two years. And night feedings, contrary to Wise

Traditions, is sooooooooo important to ensure that. Yet Price

advocates a three year spacing model. So how then does one achieve

that? Well it seems his groups did so through polygamy and prolonged

sexual abstinence. Hmmm...that is problematic in my book.

Which might be a partial explanation of why some of his

" non-nutrition " stuff gets talked about less, because it is more

controversial. And by the way, has anyone noticed the WAPF's lack of

emphasis on exercise or some kind of bodily movement? Surely we take

it for granted that Price's primitives did not lead the kin of

sedentary lifestyles that many of us lead, and which presumably

contributed to their excellent health.

--

" Twenty years ago I was an extreme right-wing

Republican, a young and lone 'Neanderthal'

(as the liberals used to call us) who believed,

as one friend pungently put it, that 'Senator

Taft had sold out to the socialists. Today,

I am most likely to be called an extreme leftist,

since I favor immediate withdrawal from

Vietnam, denounce U.S. imperialism, advocate

Black Power and have just joined the new

Peace and Freedom Party. And yet my basic

political views have not changed by a single

iota in these two decades! "

Murray Rothbard

[Guest guest]

,

First, I have been meaning to respond to your excellent post on

breastfeeding. I am sorry that I haven't yet. You bring up some very

interesting points in it like men nursing infants, iirc. We can get

into some of that here or there. I have tagged the message. I am glad

you have joined us at NIN, as Suze said you might be willing to assist

with some of this. You are not the only man, btw. I think I count at

least four. More is better. ;-)

>

>Funny you should mention this because I was just thinking last night

>that he also talks about what to do with babies after they are

>immediately born, which is quite at odds with what normally goes on

>after a child is delivered, be it either homebirth or hospital birth.

>

>

You mean wrapping the baby in dirty moss for a month without bathing?

>I do think however that WAPF does cover the prenatal feeding aspect

>fairly well, where some info might be helpful though is for those who

>are casein free/gluten free, since dairy is a big part of the WAPF and

>the Blue Ribbon baby approach.

>

>

On the WAPF website they talk about what to eat, but don't get into why

(Suzanne picked that up, I think) in terms of nutrients. In terms of

educating, it would be helpful to know the " why " of eating this or that,

because, as you note, many people are on restricted diets of one sort or

another and may need to make substitutions to the recommendations.

>I think the spacing issue will generate some heat as well as light

>since it appears that with proper ecological breastfeeding the average

>spacing is about two years. And night feedings, contrary to Wise

>Traditions, is sooooooooo important to ensure that. Yet Price

>advocates a three year spacing model. So how then does one achieve

>that? Well it seems his groups did so through polygamy and prolonged

>sexual abstinence. Hmmm...that is problematic in my book.

>

>

Maybe so. And ya know, that is okay. We are all human after all. We

can see what information there is and use that for foundation work. But

many folks want a place to learn and discuss, so that is fine as well.

I realize there was a healthy babies list, but when it was suggested

that we start a group, I didn't think of that. Besides, I don't want to

crash some group with a distinct agenda to gather and disseminate

information on infant nutrition.

I was just reading NAPD and he mentions variable numbers for minimum

child spacing depending on the group. On page 323 it says the Northwest

Amazonians had a minimum of 2.5 years, which is pretty close. As far as

primitive methods of birth control, this Wise Traditions has an article

that gets into natural means of birth control which aren't so, well, um,

harsh.

>Which might be a partial explanation of why some of his

> " non-nutrition " stuff gets talked about less, because it is more

>controversial. And by the way, has anyone noticed the WAPF's lack of

>emphasis on exercise or some kind of bodily movement? Surely we take

>it for granted that Price's primitives did not lead the kin of

>sedentary lifestyles that many of us lead, and which presumably

>contributed to their excellent health.

>

Exercise is vital! Yes, as I have said, Price focused on nutrition

which is fabulous. However, I think the whole native lifestyle is

important to consider. Exercise, extended families, less sensory

stimulation - these and other factors undoubtedly play a role in overall

health.

Now for a laugh, visit our NIN homepage to see a pic of me when I was

cute at about 1 yo <ggl>. I was a 10 lber at birth, and I look bigger

than my dad! Hurry though, I'm gonna rip that puppy off their soon, now

that I have real time babies to choose from now.

native-infant-nutrition/

Deanna