Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > Given that you're working with four different variables here, I don't think > the above experiment will really tell you anything. Maybe if you put both > kinds of thermometer in your mouth one morning and both kinds under your > armpit the next? That does sound like a better plan. I don't know which would look sillier to an unsuspecting viewer - two thermometers in the mouth or one in the mouth and one in the armpit. This is getting too funny. Either way, I'll tell you my results. > And maybe hubby could take pictures for us. <g> Ha, ha, ha....I wouldn't let him. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > > Robin, > Well, all superficial signs are pointing to thyroid insufficiency so > far... Umm, right, like Lynn said to begin with... B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > I know about avoiding foods that impact the >thyroid negatively. Is there anything else? > >Robin > Try salamba sarvangasana. That translates to supported whole body pose, but is normally known as shoulderstand. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Robin, Re: going off thyroid, I wish I could remember more exactly the sequence of events on this one. All I can recall is that at some point in time, on my own (knowing the doctor would protest) I began reducing the Armour thyroid (not hard to do, since the little pills can be halved and then quartered quite easily). I did it slowly, worried at the time that maybe it wouldn't work (yes, the theory is that the pills take over the work of the thyroid which then pretty much shuts down its own operations.) I also kept going back to the doctor for lab work that would let me know if I was getting into trouble. There are a number of standard tests for thyroid and according to , all but one is inaccurate, so I kept insisting on the one said would be at least somewhat reliable. That was quite some time ago, but I had evend then begun working hard on my overall diet and believing in my body's ability to regenerate (even though this was at a time when I was aging and thyroid function would be expected to " naturally " diminsh). So, yes, I would suggest you feel very confident about the kind of diet you're on, and perhaps wait for some encouraging signs of healing before trying to go off thyroid supplementation. After I was off the thyroid, it took quite a long while for the half-moons to return. IIRC, I had gone down to two thumbnails and one " pointer " finger. I now have the thumb and two fingers on each hand with half-moons and a half-moon coming in (as always, very slowly) on the fourth finger of the right hand (it's barely showing above the cuticle). AFAIK, half-moons do not usually appear on the pinky fingers. Someone else on this thread (Lynn?) mentioned hormones and these are very much tied in with thyroid function. Again, I don't remember the timing of the events in my journey, but I do recall at some point taking natural progesterone (this as advised by Ray Peat). I no longer believe in any kind of supplementation, for anything, but it may be that my thyroid was helped at the time by that hormone. You can check Ray Peat's website if that aspect sounds of interest to you. My own, personal reaction to mouth vs. pit is that it's a whole lot easier (emotionally and physically) to hold a glass thermometer under a clamped arm for 10 minutes when you're still half-asleep than it is to keep your teeth from from closing down on it and breaking the glass. If you check the book (or maybe you can find the instructions online somewhere), you should be able to figure out the days that are appropriate to track and then you only need three days to take an average of readings. Good luck! Still hoping for those pictures. <g> http://www.taichi4seniors.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > > > > Okay. What should I be looking for? > > Robin, > Here's another one: > > Look at your fingernails--do you have moons? If so, are they on most > of the fingers--not just the thumb--and good-sized? The more > significant the moons, the stronger the metabolism. > B. and Robin, scuse me for jumping into your conversation... , the tip of my tongue is flattened, i have almost no moons on my nails. my WAPF friendly physician told me i have a low thyroid. he gave me T100 to take. at first it made me jittery...then it seemed to do nothing. i stopped seeing him after 3 visits in 3 months. anyway, he was 250 miles away. i feel lost and don't know what to do. i'm off junk food 99%, i need coffee in the morning or i get nothing done, i'm almost 100 lb overwt, always tired and my brain is very slow. i'm always the last person in the room to get a joke or understand what is going on and i feel like i comprehend half of what people are telling me and remember only a quarter. movies, forget it. i have to watch them twice to 'get it'. i'm 50 and entering menopause although my periods seem to be getting more frequent again now. sigh. i exercise and it helps but i'm not an athlete. my next tack...i'm reading the book Iodine by dr. david brownstein, i also have his other book on thyroid disorders (google his name for his web site) but haven't read it yet. i'm waiting for the Iodoral to come in the mail (from the Iodine book). i spent a fortune on the wapf friendly dr....between the office visits and the supplements and lab tests, probably at least $1000 or more. i can't keep doing this. but i have to find a solution. the books on thyroid all talk about all this T3 and T4 stuff and armour thyroid...it's all so complicated (to me) and not straight forward at all. and there are at least 2 completely diff way to take body temp...i have almost given up except for this Iodine book and this Iodoral stuff i'm waiting for. i was a biology major in college and graduated summa...people always thought i was so smart. now i always feel like the stupidest and fattest person in the room and it just keeps getting worse. i live in this affluent town with all these skinny, good looking people. it's getting to where i don't want to leave the house anymore. i'm ashamed to be my husband's wife and my son's mother...i just want to be someone they can be proud of. i know they love me, but... i'm fine really...i'm not looking for pity or sympathy, i'm just telling it the way it is. i have a wonderful husband and son. i just keep hoping and searching and praying. am getting to the point where i wonder if i just have to accept obesity and mental dullness as part of my aging process, lead the best life i can for the next 20- 30 years and then hopefully die peacefully. i pretty much refuse to go to doctors...even the best have been of such little help to me. it's money flushed down the toilet. laura in nj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I don't know which would look > sillier to an unsuspecting viewer - two thermometers in the mouth or > one in the mouth and one in the armpit. This is getting too > funny. how about THREE thermometers? one in the mouth, one in the armpit, and one... LOLOL! laura in nj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > I don't know which would look > > sillier to an unsuspecting viewer - two thermometers in the mouth or > > one in the mouth and one in the armpit. This is getting too > > funny. > > how about THREE thermometers? one in the mouth, one in the armpit, and > one... > > LOLOL! > > laura in nj Oh now, come on...I definitely would not let me husband get a picture of that!!! Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > i'm fine really...i'm not looking for pity or sympathy, i'm just > telling it the way it is. i have a wonderful husband and son. i > just keep hoping and searching and praying. am getting to the point > where i wonder if i just have to accept obesity and mental dullness > as part of my aging process, lead the best life i can for the next 20- > 30 years and then hopefully die peacefully. > laura in nj , Can I at least say that I'm so sorry that you're suffering like this? Did you follow the link that I sent in my other post? I don't know how many carbs you eat, but according to that, someone who has thyroid problems just can't handle carbs. So, as excited as I was to increase my carbs, I'm back to keeping my carbs as low as possible and see what happens. Also, a good enzyme supplement (I would recommend OmegaZyme from GOL - powdered for quicker action) seems to be necessary for many who have a difficult time with digestive/metabolism/weight issues. I'll let you know how I'm doing. I'm hoping with the inclusion of enzymes, doing low carb (lower than I was doing before) will produce some results. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 > > > I know about avoiding foods that impact the > >thyroid negatively. Is there anything else? > > > >Robin > > > Try salamba sarvangasana. That translates to supported whole body pose, > but is normally known as shoulderstand. > > > Deanna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 >Though I am not really into yoga (I wish I were), I have found, after >searching for this position on Google, that I am often doing it or a >variation for the sake of my varices. Yes I have some varicose veins >on my right leg only, and they sort of disappear when I am in that >position. > >Do you know any other good position for constipation or intestinal >gas? > José , Yoga is a wonderful practice that helps all organs and tissues of the body. In inverted poses like sarvangasana and sirsasana, the veins in the legs get a much needed rest, as you have noticed. In _Light on Yoga_, by BKS Iyengar, the following asanas in the order given are recommended for constipation: Sirsana and cycle - headstand and variations Sarvangasana and cycle - shoulderstand and variations All standing poses - these include the twists which can be helpful to get things moving intestinally Uttanasana - intense stretch posture Paschimotanasana - west intense stretch pose (west being the back side of the body for an east facing yogi) Jathara Parivartanasana - an asana in which the abdomen is made to move to and fro Nadi Sodhana Pranayama - cleansing of the nadis breathing technique (pranayama is literally life-force restraint) Of course, you should seek the help of a qualified instructor, or use what is available online, in books, or on video. Iyengar yoga is very anatomically and biomechanically correct, ime as a former fitness professional and Iyengar instructor. There are contraindications to some of the asanas listed, which is again why you would be best served by someone knowledgeable in yoga who could see you face to face. An instructor should ask beforehand what your health concerns are and can adjust the program for you (if not, find another one). But since you are already doing some sadhana on your own, then I would say all of the yogasanas above would be perfectly suitable for you except sirsasana (especially if you have detached retina or heart problems), unless you have other concerns of which I am unaware. http://bksiyengar.com/ http://www.iyengar-yoga.com/faq/ Om Shanti, Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Re: Re: Warrior Diet question Robin, Re: going off thyroid, I wish I could remember more exactly the sequence of events on this one. All I can recall is that at some point in time, on my own (knowing the doctor would protest) I began reducing the Armour thyroid (not hard to do, since the little pills can be halved and then quartered quite easily). I did it slowly, worried at the time that maybe it wouldn't work (yes, the theory is that the pills take over the work of the thyroid which then pretty much shuts down its own operations.) I also kept going back to the doctor for lab work that would let me know if I was getting into trouble. There are a number of standard tests for thyroid and according to , all but one is inaccurate, so I kept insisting on the one said would be at least somewhat reliable. That was quite some time ago, but I had evend then begun working hard on my overall diet and believing in my body's ability to regenerate (even though this was at a time when I was aging and thyroid function would be expected to " naturally " diminsh). So, yes, I would suggest you feel very confident about the kind of diet you're on, and perhaps wait for some encouraging signs of healing before trying to go off thyroid supplementation. After I was off the thyroid, it took quite a long while for the half-moons to return. IIRC, I had gone down to two thumbnails and one " pointer " finger. I now have the thumb and two fingers on each hand with half-moons and a half-moon coming in (as always, very slowly) on the fourth finger of the right hand (it's barely showing above the cuticle). AFAIK, half-moons do not usually appear on the pinky fingers.... My own, personal reaction to mouth vs. pit is that it's a whole lot easier (emotionally and physically) to hold a glass thermometer under a clamped arm for 10 minutes when you're still half-asleep than it is to keep your teeth from from closing down on it and breaking the glass. If you check the book (or maybe you can find the instructions online somewhere), you should be able to figure out the days that are appropriate to track and then you only need three days to take an average of readings.... ====================== Has anyone looked at the website of Denis ? He wrote the manual on 's Thyroid Syndrome. According to him, he has stellar success with prescribing T3 for people...although I've observed that in his newsletters and on his website he doesn't publish the failures or difficult (for him) cases. I am glad that this topic is being discussed; I never knew that information about the moons on the nails! There are just a few points that I'd like to add: 1) (This is from Denis , not Broda .) Everyone's temperature in the very early morning and very late evening is lower than usual. So the idea is to take the temperature 3 hours after waking, and twice more during the day, and then average that out for about a week to get an idea of the baseline temperature. 2) The thyroid is involved in a delicate balancing act with the adrenals, pituitary, and sex glands. (This is what we are taught during Standard Process seminars on the glands.) So it's sometimes not a simple matter of simply boosting the thyroid alone. That's why I personally try to approach this from many angles. 3) Iodine is a critical component in thyroid management. According to one of my teachers, it's something to take on a regular basis. Iodine also has wonderful germicidal qualities. 4) Stress can knock out thyroid function. So even after it's been boosted and the metabolism seems to be running smoothly, some people are more susceptible than others to having the thyroid slow down or otherwise malfunction again. Each person has to manage her levels of stress. " Stress " can include lack of sleep and improper diet as well as emotional factors. 5) Many (not all) people with thyroid problems have issues with dairy and gluten. Personally I'm better when I eliminate these from my diet. This includes raw dairy (which I love, darn it!) and even grains that are soaked and sprouted. 6) Emotional factors might be considered too, such as the issue of speaking out and being heard. Best, Nenah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 --- In , " Nenah Sylver " <nenah@b...> wrote: > My own, personal reaction to mouth vs. pit is that it's a whole lot easier > (emotionally and physically) to hold a glass thermometer under a clamped arm > for 10 minutes when you're still half-asleep than it is to keep your teeth > from from closing down on it and breaking the glass. Nenah, This cracks me up! For me, lying still ten minutes waiting for a thermometer would be torture. Then, the assaulting the eyes with bright light to read it--wouldn't be able to read it, or, would assuredly forget the number within 75 seconds. Dang! How individual we all are! B. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Nenah, <1) (This is from Denis , not Broda .) Everyone's temperature in the very early morning and very late evening is lower than usual. So the idea is to take the temperature 3 hours after waking, and twice more during the day, and then average that out for about a week to get an idea of the baseline temperature.> I found your post interesting and helpful, and this is the only part I feel a need, not to argue with (day readings might be a reasonable way to " get your numbers " ), but simply to explain in terms of ' work: His experience was with great numbers of soldiers in an army hospital and covered, IIRC, several years of data collection. That clinical experience convinced him that the early morning time (and the armpit) provided the most accurate and consistent time (and place) for gathering data. Yes, the body temperture is always lower at that time, but his assessment of what is normal and what is below normal was based on a different range than is applied to mouth recordings. I do also have this thought about 's approach: The temperature taken throughout the day might more readily be affected by foods recently eaten or physical activity or stress levels, and therefore less reliable -- even when lots of readings are taken -- since many of us seem to " perform " in very individual but repeatable patterns once we are awake and going about our day. FWIT. http://www.taichi4seniors.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 --- In , Irene Musiol <Irene.M@a...> wrote: > At the risk of scaring you off and without going back and digging up my > original results, I can tell you a little about my diet back then. There > were more foods that I couldn't eat than I could. I was on a 4 day rotation > diet. It looked something like this: Day one, pork, potatoes and green > beans. That's it. I would get up very early in the morning and make pork > chops and potatoes and whatever vegetable was allowed that day, and that is > all I ate, breakfast lunch and dinner. Same for days 2 through 4, and it > would start all over. Day two might be turkey, sweet potatoes and peas. Day > 3 beef, rice etc. Day 4 was fish. There was no variety throughout the day > because I could have so few foods. Although I could have some fruits, my DX > didn't want me to eat them because of a candida problem. And I remember > that I could have pine nuts. > As awful as it sounds, I got used to it. And although it was exhausting to > get up and make and pack all my food all the time, since I was working long > hours, there wasn't so much temptation. I was at work, I got hungry, I ate > what I had and eventually stopped thinking much about it. I did this very > strictly for two years. > > I think it was a good thing to do in the sense that my health improved and > it was a huge learning experience. I also lost weight. I think it is very > hard to lose weight eating food that you are allergic to although I don't > know why that is. > > My allergies did improve a lot but not completely. The huge dissappointment > for me was that it didn't cure my problems permanently. Now of course > looking back I realise it was pretty unrealistic of me to think it would. > Anyway, after about two years, I got married and quit my job and began to > cheat a lot on my diet. That is kind of where I am now. Sometimes I do > really well, sometimes I don't, sometimes I cheat and get away with it and > sometimes I don't. > > Do I miss stuff? Sure but not as much as you would think. For instance I > have totally lost my taste for junk food. Every once in a while I find > myself wanting some. I'll convince myself that it is OK just this once. > I'll buy it and more often than not spit it out as soon as I put it in my > mouth. It is just nasty. As far as other food that I can't have, now that I > am doing SCD, I am finding more and more that the occational cheat is > enough to keep me happy. > > Does that help? > Irene > yes, Irene, it does...thanks for typing that all out. i'm sure a lot of people are interested in this post, too. i know what you mean about the junk food...after being off junk food we went into a walmart and stacked almost to the ceiling was big box after big box of Honey Buns. as a child they were the BEST...or so we thought. i looked at them all in horror and was glad i didn't have any matches on me. (don't like the thought of jail.) they looked so disgusting...that would have been a definite spit out. anyway, i ate for several years a program very similar to schwartzbein and julia ross...almost identical. i couldn't do it without the online support. it took me years to get it down. i thought i would eat that way forever, then i heard sally speak, bought the book (NT) and have been living on mostly raw dairy ever since. i'll change when i'm ready...when my 'new' personal fad has run its course or when i realize i have GOT to...whatever. obviously i'm not there yet and the raw dairy has benefited me in many ways anyway. i also wish i knew why you gain wt. when you eat a food you're allergic to. i got my iodine in the mail today...i'll post if it makes a difference. one question for you: you were eating, what you described above, SCD but only the foods you knew you weren't allergic to? in other words, SCD doesn't tell you what to eat? or maybe it does. i gather SCD tells you how to rotate whatever it is you're supposed to eat. talk to you later. laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 --- In , Irene Musiol <Irene.M@a...> wrote: > At the risk of scaring you off and without going back and digging up my > original results, I can tell you a little about my diet back then. p.s. Irene, inasmuch as i am Cleopatra, Queen of Denial, i still prefer to hear about reality...food for thought, even if i end up not acting on it. not scared away at all. just makes me think more about it. thanks again. laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 I've never heard the doulbe chin relation.Do you mean it'srelated to one's thyroid? How did you find this out? Phil Re: Warrior Diet question > Isn't that interesting that you wrote to me about thyroid at the same > time that I was writing to you about it? I bet that's it. What can be > done if you are correct? Robin, Two things: 1) do you have a double or double-ish chin? 2) stick out your tongue and look at it--is it pointy/round at the tip or flattened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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