Warrior Diet question

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Is there anyone here who been following the Warrior Diet for a length

of time with success?

I gave it a try a while ago but stopped because of the fear I had

when

told that skipping breakfast messes up your metabolism. What has

your

experience been? I have been having a devil of a time losing my last

20 pounds and I don't know which direction to go from here. I've

been

following a lower carb (approx. 50g carbs a day) diet with no results

for the last several months. As soon as I lose 1 or 2 pounds, they

come right back on. I have a slow(ish) metabolism, yet it doesn't

seem like it should be this hard to lose weight. I am beyond

frustrated at this point. I hope someone can give me some useful

advice. Thank you.

Robin

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Hi Robin:

I can't help you along the lines of the Warrior Diet, but I want to

pass you a " trick " to lose weight that I read about a very long time

ago. I don't remember the source. I don't know if it works, I never

tried it, but it looks interesting. I will give you the figures in

kilos, all right?

Well, let's assume your ideal weight is 60kg. The trick is you will

have to eat 1/100 (one hundredth) of this intended weight, i.e. 0,60kg

or 600g of food per day. And you will distribute this weight - 600g -

among your three meals, not necessarily eliminating any category of

food. Let´s say 150g for breakfast, 200g for lunch, and 250g for

dinner, or as it suits you best.

In the first few days you may need the scales, but with time you can do

without it: you look at it and you just know how much you need.

Well, I don't think you will follow this (I won't be angry if you say

it is a foolish idea...), but it simply occurred to me while I was read

your [afflicted?] message.

Cheers and best of luck!

> Is there anyone here who been following the Warrior Diet for a length

> of time with success?

>

> I gave it a try a while ago but stopped because of the fear I had

> when

> told that skipping breakfast messes up your metabolism. What has

> your

> experience been? I have been having a devil of a time losing my last

> 20 pounds and I don't know which direction to go from here. I've

> been

> following a lower carb (approx. 50g carbs a day) diet with no results

> for the last several months. As soon as I lose 1 or 2 pounds, they

> come right back on. I have a slow(ish) metabolism, yet it doesn't

> seem like it should be this hard to lose weight. I am beyond

> frustrated at this point. I hope someone can give me some useful

> advice. Thank you.

>

> Robin

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--- In , " Sol L " <s_lederman@y...>

wrote:

> Robin,

>

> I don't believe it's about the calories.

>

> Have you considered working with a nutritionist or other

practitioner

> who could run some tests and determine if something in your body is

> out of whack?

I had a complete blood workup not to long ago and everything came

out perfect.

> My " prescription " is for a NN diet, with some enzymes and anti-

candida

> stuff, the experiment of going light on dairy and glutenous grains

and

> a caution to not be in a hurry.

I just started taking enzymes. Until then though, I was not eating

dairy or grains and still nothing changed. I have probably covered

every angle of nutrition to no avail. I'm also not concerned about

how I eat, either. I have been eating healthy and following a NT

diet for about 2 years now...soaking, sprouting, fermentation, etc.,

except recently when I took grains and dairy out of our diet.

Nothing changes...I never feel any different. The only time I have

felt a difference is with the enzyme supplements, which I posted

about a few days ago. I feel great mentally since adding enzymes to

my diet. My digestion doesn't seem to have been directly affected

though...things move along at about the same pace a usual.

I wish I could point to something and say, " Ah! That's the reason

why things aren't working right. " But I can't. I can't see any

reason why I'm having such a hard time. Even when I'm consistently

exercising nothing happens. It's so frustrating...if it's not going

to make any difference, I may as well spend my time doing something

more fulfilling... which is the wrong attitude to have because

exercise is good whether or not your losing weight. It's just so

discouraging - eating right, exercising...nothing.

Not yet, but my nutritionist explained that the body has its

> own wisdom in healing. It may be holding onto to fats that contain

> toxins (as excess weight) until it's recovered enough to safely

> release them.

Don't you think several years is long enough?

> My 2 cents.

Thank you, Sol. I appreciate it. I agree with you, something is

just not right, but I can't figure out what it is. I keep telling

my husband that it shouldn't be this hard to be " naturally " thin

when I'm doing things right. It's not normal to have to put this

much energy into losing weight. Yes, I could see more effort being

needed if I ate horribly and had to retrain myself, etc., but, come

on! I know people who have lost all their weight eating worse than

I do. I don't know. It's just beginning to feel like a puzzle that

I will never solve. I guess I'm just hoping that someone will say

something that I hadn't thought of yet.

Robin

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> I had a complete blood workup not to long ago and everything came

> out perfect.

What kind of tests and what kind of health practitioner?

Lynn S.

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--- In , Lynn Siprelle <lynn@s...>

wrote:

> > I had a complete blood workup not to long ago and everything came

> > out perfect.

>

> What kind of tests and what kind of health practitioner?

>

> Lynn S.

Hi Lynn,

My husband is in the military, so we see a general family

practitioner. All I know about the blood test is that she said she

would test for everything she could and go from there. There was a lot

she tested for. I couldn't even begin to tell you what. Everything

came back normal. Is there something specific you think I should ask

about?

Robin

[Guest guest]

> My husband is in the military, so we see a general family

> practitioner. All I know about the blood test is that she said she

> would test for everything she could and go from there. There was a lot

> she tested for. I couldn't even begin to tell you what. Everything

> came back normal. Is there something specific you think I should ask

> about?

I am betting on two possible things, keeping in mind I Am Not A Doctor,

and that would be 's Disease (where your body cannot convert T3

to T4 properly but your thyroid levels look normal to allopaths),

and/or insulin resistance/Syndrome X.

Lynn S.

dealing with similar issues

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--- In , Lynn Siprelle <lynn@s...>

wrote:

> > I had a complete blood workup not to long ago and everything came

> > out perfect.

>

> What kind of tests and what kind of health practitioner?

Hey Lynn,

After I replied to you, I jumped onto and typed in " difficulty

losing weight " to see what would come up. I came across this link to

hypothyroidism:

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/dietweightloss/a/losingweight.htm

I'm on medication for hypothyroid and recently had my levels

checked. They are well withing the new " norm " for thyroid levels. I

hadn't considered that my thyroid could be causing problems since my

levels are " normal " . What do you think? Do I really have to live on

meats and vegetables to keep my weight down? At 50 grams of carbs a

day, nothing was happening. Even that's too much? I recently

increased my carbs since nothing was happening...why miss out on

healthy carbs if there's not a difference either way? But I guess

maybe the differnce comes in what my body can handle and what it

can't. I suppose I could try meat and veggies and see what happens.

I guess if that's what will keep me healthy then I need to consider

it, but gosh...

Robin

[Guest guest]

--- In , Lynn Siprelle <lynn@s...>

wrote:

> I am betting on two possible things, keeping in mind I Am Not A

Doctor,

> and that would be 's Disease (where your body cannot convert T3

> to T4 properly but your thyroid levels look normal to allopaths),

> and/or insulin resistance/Syndrome X.

>

> Lynn S.

> dealing with similar issues

Isn't that interesting that you wrote to me about thyroid at the same

time that I was writing to you about it? I bet that's it. What can be

done if you are correct?

Robin

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> Isn't that interesting that you wrote to me about thyroid at the same

> time that I was writing to you about it? I bet that's it. What can be

> done if you are correct?

Robin,

Two things:

1) do you have a double or double-ish chin?

2) stick out your tongue and look at it--is it pointy/round at the tip

or flattened?

Bonus #3) take your basal temp every morning for a while before you

make any decisions.

B.

[Guest guest]

> Isn't that interesting that you wrote to me about thyroid at the same

> time that I was writing to you about it? I bet that's it. What can be

> done if you are correct?

Ask your doctor to investigate the use of time-release T3 in

conjunction with a little T4. That's the treatment for 's, and

when I was initially suffering with it a few years ago it made a

night/day difference. My thyroid stabilized for a while and is now on

the fritz again so I have to go in myself and get looked at.

Lynn S.

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> --- In , " givemeamomenttothink "

> Robin,

> Two things:

>

> 1) do you have a double or double-ish chin?

No

> 2) stick out your tongue and look at it--is it pointy/round at the

tip

> or flattened?

flattened

> Bonus #3) take your basal temp every morning for a while before you

> make any decisions.

Okay. What should I be looking for?

Robin

[Guest guest]

> > 2) stick out your tongue and look at it--is it pointy/round at the

> tip

> > or flattened?

>

> flattened

>

> > Bonus #3) take your basal temp every morning for a while before you

> > make any decisions.

>

> Okay. What should I be looking for?

>

> Robin,

Okay. Flattened indicates low thyroid. Interestingly, it will change

back to rounded when the problem is corrected.

Temp-wise, under 97.2, IIRC indicates low thyroid. Though some

people say 97.5, I think. You know how to take the temp? *First*

thing in the morning, just after the eyes bink open, moving as little

as possible to grab the thermometer and stick in the mouth, then be

very, very still. Try and wake/take at the same time each day.

I would keep track of that for a while before making any decisions.

See what you can do to support with diet--it could be temporary. You

may just have a slow, steady metabolism, and that promotes longevity.

Schwarzbein, herself, is very conservative with the thyroid

hormone. As is Dr. Cowan.

B.

[Guest guest]

> Is there anyone here who been following the Warrior Diet for a

> length of time with success?

>

> I gave it a try a while ago but stopped because of the fear I had

> when

> told that skipping breakfast messes up your metabolism. What has

> your

> experience been?

Robin,

I have found the Warrior Diet promises of improved metabolism to be

true. If I don't skimp on my large meal at the end of the day, I feel

great. I'm warm, sleep well, high energy... If I don't feast every day

then it's not the Warrior Diet, its fasting (or a 'very low calorie'

diet) which knocks me out, and I can't keep it up. I've found too that

'feast' just means I'm full & happy, and don't want any more to eat.

Sometimes it's alot, other times not. Ah, that sounds like such a

normal 'thin', uncomplicated attitude... Something I hadn't had

experience with before! :-) I've always thought eating the right diet

and losing weight shouldn't be that hard (hahahah), IF you've got it

right. My guess is that the older, less healthy and more over weight

someone is, the more this kind of meal timing will benefit her.

I realize that everyone is different, and some people may do very

poorly eating this way. I never would have guessed that I would do

well on it. I was one of those people who woke up ravenous every

morning and felt weak if I didn't eat on schedule, but not any more. I

would recommend trying it for 2 weeks minium, 3-4 would be better. You

should have a good idea after a week or maybe less if it'll work for

you.

Don't get the idea that I'm the poster child for the Warrior Diet. I'm

not. I've been doing it on and off for 7 months or so. I love many

aspects of it, but I'm still working on it. Other issues, habits...

get in the way, but I'm not dropping this 'style' of eating any more

than I'm going to drop NN eating, even if I do fall off the wagon

(planned and unplanned) periodically.

As a disclaimer, I'll say that I really dislike the Warrior Diet book.

It's just so macho and disorganized. It's the only game in town

though, for that style of eating, and parts of it are very

informative. I just hope someone with a little more credibility and

organizational skills will write a book on the same subject. I just

hate to recommend it, esp. to women!

Good luck finding what works for you!

Jan

[Guest guest]

<Temp-wise, under 97.2, IIRC indicates low thyroid. Though some

people say 97.5, I think. You know how to take the temp? *First*

thing in the morning, just after the eyes bink open, moving as little

as possible to grab the thermometer and stick in the mouth, then be

very, very still. Try and wake/take at the same time each day.>

It's been about twenty-five or more years since I've read the two classics

on low thyroid, one of them by Broda , the other by ?. In

both of those, temperature readings were based on the supposedly more

accurate mercury thermometers and they were to be used under the arm pit.

Also important was to avoid certain days around menstruating (if you still

had your period.) Other books/theories may have supplanted the two I have

in mind, but I do still see those referred to.

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> Okay. What should I be looking for?

Robin,

Here's another one:

Look at your fingernails--do you have moons? If so, are they on most

of the fingers--not just the thumb--and good-sized? The more

significant the moons, the stronger the metabolism.

B.

[Guest guest]

> <Temp-wise, under 97.2, IIRC indicates low thyroid. Though some

> people say 97.5, I think. You know how to take the temp? *First*

> thing in the morning, just after the eyes bink open, moving as little

> as possible to grab the thermometer and stick in the mouth, then be

> very, very still. Try and wake/take at the same time each day.>

>

> It's been about twenty-five or more years since I've read the two

classics

> on low thyroid, one of them by Broda , the other by ?.

In

> both of those, temperature readings were based on the supposedly more

> accurate mercury thermometers and they were to be used under the arm

pit.

> Also important was to avoid certain days around menstruating (if you

still

> had your period.) Other books/theories may have supplanted the two

I have

> in mind, but I do still see those referred to.

>

,

Myself, I was unable to read a mercury thermometer. So I went

digital, keeping in mind the potential for some inaccuracy. If the

temp comes up very borderline on a consistent basis, Robin will want

to do some further inquiry. If she can read a mercury thermometer,

that is best.

AFAIK the first three days of the cycle are the most telling. But I'd

take for several weeks--a month--especially to see the spike mid-cycle.

B.

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Robin and ,

Even if a digital thermometer is used, the armpit would give different --

and I think more helpful readings -- than the mouth. There is an

explanation of why in ' book. After I posted, I thought to do a

little research myself online and found 's last name -- Langer -- and

a great deal of info about , including a website devoted to him. So

he and his discoveries may not have not been supplanted in any major way

since he wrote fifty years ago.

I should also add here that both men recommended the natural Armour thyroid

as opposed to the synthetics most doctors prescribe these days. And also,

on the " have hope " side, I should say that in spite of the ominous sound of

" you can never go off thyroid once you start " I was in fact able to go off

(slowly) and now have excellent thyroid readings on lab tests as well as the

other signs mentioned (half-moons, etc.).

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

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> I should say that in spite of the ominous sound of

> " you can never go off thyroid once you start " I was in fact able to go

> off

> (slowly) and now have excellent thyroid readings on lab tests as well

> as the

> other signs mentioned (half-moons, etc.).

This happened to me too, but I should add that I now have the symptoms

back after a few years of being hormone-free and now am going to go

back on them as soon as I can afford it.

Lynn S.

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[Guest guest]

>

>

> > Okay. What should I be looking for?

>

> Robin,

> Here's another one:

>

> Look at your fingernails--do you have moons? If so, are they on most

> of the fingers--not just the thumb--and good-sized? The more

> significant the moons, the stronger the metabolism.

> B.

Nope. I only have small moons on my thumbs.

Robin

[Guest guest]

> Robin and ,

>

> Even if a digital thermometer is used, the armpit would give

different --

> and I think more helpful readings -- than the mouth.

Well, how about I put a mercury thermometer (I know how to read one)in

my mouth and a digital thermometer in my armpit at the same time and

see what happens? My husband will think I'm crazy, but I'm curious

now how different the readings would be. I will be gone next week, so

I won't be able to start until I get back.

Robin

[Guest guest]

> Well, how about I put a mercury thermometer (I know how to read one)in

> my mouth and a digital thermometer in my armpit at the same time and

> see what happens? My husband will think I'm crazy, but I'm curious

> now how different the readings would be. I will be gone next week, so

> I won't be able to start until I get back.

>

> Robin,

Well, all superficial signs are pointing to thyroid insufficiency so

far...

Re: thermometer hijinks, I wouldn't suggest to anyone they had to lie

still for ten minutes at dawn with a thermometer lodged in their

armpit unless I knew they were pretty hardcore, heh.

I think your combo/comparison plan sounds splendid and I can't wait to

hear the results!

B.

/leave the thing in for ten mins., I think--is that correct, ?

//I'm so curious

[Guest guest]

--- In , " West " I should say

that in spite of the ominous sound of

> " you can never go off thyroid once you start " I was in fact able

to go off

> (slowly) and now have excellent thyroid readings on lab tests as

well as the

> other signs mentioned (half-moons, etc.).

How do you go about this? Did your levels just begin to return to

normal and the doctor continued lowering your dose as a result? Or,

did you have to ask to have your dosage slowly lowered?

Does the thyroid naturally make less thyroid hormones as long as you

are taking the hormone supplements?

Wouldn't my slow metabolism, lack of nail moons, etc. be an

indication that I can't reduce my thyroid supplement? Do those

things need to get better before I can consider reducing my dosage?

Robin

[Guest guest]

--- In , Lynn Siprelle <lynn@s...>

wrote:

>

> This happened to me too, but I should add that I now have the

symptoms

> back after a few years of being hormone-free and now am going to go

> back on them as soon as I can afford it.

>

> Lynn S.

If you don't mind me asking, why do you think this happened?

Robin

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Robin,

<Well, how about I put a mercury thermometer (I know how to read one)in

my mouth and a digital thermometer in my armpit at the same time and

see what happens? My husband will think I'm crazy, but I'm curious

now how different the readings would be. I will be gone next week, so

I won't be able to start until I get back.

Given that you're working with four different variables here, I don't think

the above experiment will really tell you anything. Maybe if you put both

kinds of thermometer in your mouth one morning and both kinds under your

armpit the next? That might be a little closer to a comparison, if still

lacking scientific rigor.

And maybe hubby could take pictures for us. <g>

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> Well, all superficial signs are pointing to thyroid insufficiency so

> far...

All of this sort of surprises me. I thought that since my T3 and T4

levels were " good " , that the problem wasn't with my thyroid. What

else can a person do to help their thyroid out when already taking

hormone supplementation? I know about avoiding foods that impact the

thyroid negatively. Is there anything else?

Robin