Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 - but reading it gave me concern about supplementing with CLO. She states that arachadonic acid and other n-6's need to be stablized before n-3 supplementation. I don't know all her reasoning behind this but one of the parents in my local group cannot use CLO with her autistic son. She's consulted with Kane and uses other oils. Her son's behavior changed for the worse when she added CLO in...and she's tried a few times. I use it with no problems as do many many of us. I think that may pretain to certain cases. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 -OOpps just reread your post and saw you were' working with lyme disease. Have you read Ron Schmid's piece on his personal healing with it. He's the doctor that put me on high doses of CLO. http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/chronicdisease.html Lynn -- In , " REMOC " <REMOCLIHP@f...> wrote: > Someone else with lyme disease sent a copy of this article on Mercola's website from 2003 about a fatty acid expert Kane,PhD. Her comments do seem to apply only to those of us with chronic illnesses but reading it gave me concern about supplementing with CLO. She states that arachadonic acid and other n-6's need to be stablized before n-3 supplementation.Also recommends the ratio of n-3 to n-6 should be 1:1. I am wondering if others on this group read this when it came out and what your thought is. There are certainly others in this group more knowledgable about fatty acids than me. > > http://www.mercola.com/2003/oct/8/fatty_acids.htm > > Phil > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 On 9/26/05, Lynn <lyn122@...> wrote: > I don't know all her reasoning behind this but one of the parents in > my local group cannot use CLO with her autistic son. She's consulted > with Kane and uses other oils. Her son's behavior changed for > the worse when she added CLO in...and she's tried a few times. What other oils? N-3 or n-6? I don't know how this pertains to autism, but the mental disorders that are associated with pyroluria are associated with arachidonic acid (an n-6) deficiency, not n-3 deficiency. There are two sub-groups of EFA-deficient schizophrenics identified, one suffering from n-3 deficiency and the other from AA-deficiency. Personally, when I was vegetarian/vegan I supplemented with algae-derived DHA and then later with fish oil, and then later added wild salmon and DHA-enhanced eggs to my diet, all of which did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for me. When I added generous quantities of red meat, my panic attacks stopped quickly. This makes me think zinc, though I was supplementing on and off with zinc during vegetarianism, especially since the zinc lozenges tasted good to me. It makes me think arachidonic acid too, and when my mental symptoms really vanished I was drinking huge quantities of milk and even cream, taking CLO, eating meat and eggs, etc. I was getting n-3s from CLO, but I was getting tons of AA from all the animal fat. Chris -- Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 >-----Original Message----- >From: >[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Masterjohn > >On 9/26/05, Lynn <lyn122@...> wrote: > >> I don't know all her reasoning behind this but one of the parents in >> my local group cannot use CLO with her autistic son. She's consulted >> with Kane and uses other oils. Her son's behavior changed for >> the worse when she added CLO in...and she's tried a few times. > >What other oils? N-3 or n-6? > >I don't know how this pertains to autism, but the mental disorders >that are associated with pyroluria are associated with arachidonic >acid (an n-6) deficiency, not n-3 deficiency. There are two >sub-groups of EFA-deficient schizophrenics identified, one suffering >from n-3 deficiency and the other from AA-deficiency. You may have hit the nail on the head. IIRC, there is a subgroup of Autistic kids who have pyroluria AND there is some overlap in some of the biochemical abnormalities in schizophrenics and autistic kids. Lynn, I can't recommend highly enough " Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD " for any parent with an autistic or PDD child which covers much of this in detail. Author is Shaw, PhD. He runs the Great Plains lab where many parents have tests done for their autistic kids so the folks in your chapter may at least, already be aware of his work. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Thanks Lynn, this is a wonderful article. Judy > -OOpps just reread your post and saw you were' working with lyme > disease. Have you read Ron Schmid's piece on his personal healing with > it. He's the doctor that put me on high doses of CLO. > http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/chronicdisease.html > Lynn > > > > -- In , " REMOC " <REMOCLIHP@f...> wrote: > > Someone else with lyme disease sent a copy of this article on > Mercola's website from 2003 about a fatty acid expert > Kane,PhD. Her comments do seem to apply only to those of us with > chronic illnesses but reading it gave me concern about supplementing > with CLO. She states that arachadonic acid and other n-6's need to be > stablized before n-3 supplementation.Also recommends the ratio of n-3 > to n-6 should be 1:1. I am wondering if others on this group read this > when it came out and what your thought is. There are certainly others > in this group more knowledgable about fatty acids than me. > > > > http://www.mercola.com/2003/oct/8/fatty_acids.htm > > > > Phil > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 From what I read in the article they may be given evening primrose oil and borage oil for gamma linolenic acid. This is all beyond my understanding so I have no idea what it means. Do you know anything about the one research result she bases her recommended ration of n-3 to n-6 of 1:1? It's the only time I've heard of such a ratio. Phil Re: Fatty Acids & Kane On 9/26/05, Lynn <lyn122@...> wrote: > I don't know all her reasoning behind this but one of the parents in > my local group cannot use CLO with her autistic son. She's consulted > with Kane and uses other oils. Her son's behavior changed for > the worse when she added CLO in...and she's tried a few times. What other oils? N-3 or n-6? I don't know how this pertains to autism, but the mental disorders that are associated with pyroluria are associated with arachidonic acid (an n-6) deficiency, not n-3 deficiency. There are two sub-groups of EFA-deficient schizophrenics identified, one suffering from n-3 deficiency and the other from AA-deficiency. Personally, when I was vegetarian/vegan I supplemented with algae-derived DHA and then later with fish oil, and then later added wild salmon and DHA-enhanced eggs to my diet, all of which did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for me. When I added generous quantities of red meat, my panic attacks stopped quickly. This makes me think zinc, though I was supplementing on and off with zinc during vegetarianism, especially since the zinc lozenges tasted good to me. It makes me think arachidonic acid too, and when my mental symptoms really vanished I was drinking huge quantities of milk and even cream, taking CLO, eating meat and eggs, etc. I was getting n-3s from CLO, but I was getting tons of AA from all the animal fat. Chris -- Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 On 9/27/05, REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote: > From what I read in the article they may be given evening primrose oil and > borage oil for gamma linolenic acid. This is all beyond my understanding so > I have no idea what it means. > Do you know anything about the one research result she bases her recommended > ration of n-3 to n-6 of 1:1? It's the only time I've heard of such a ratio. No, but, while I haven't looked into it myself, what I've always heard is that there should be a range of 1:1 to 1:4. Despite what you hear about the evils of n-6s and the benefits of n-3s, it's actually n-6s we tend to need more of-- just that the SAD has way too much LA (n-6) and nowhere near enough EPA and DHA (n-3), so people often simplify and talk about " good " and " bad " fats. Chris -- Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 So what are healthy sources of n-6s? Phil Re: Fatty Acids & Kane On 9/27/05, REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote: > From what I read in the article they may be given evening primrose oil and > borage oil for gamma linolenic acid. This is all beyond my understanding so > I have no idea what it means. > Do you know anything about the one research result she bases her recommended > ration of n-3 to n-6 of 1:1? It's the only time I've heard of such a ratio. No, but, while I haven't looked into it myself, what I've always heard is that there should be a range of 1:1 to 1:4. Despite what you hear about the evils of n-6s and the benefits of n-3s, it's actually n-6s we tend to need more of-- just that the SAD has way too much LA (n-6) and nowhere near enough EPA and DHA (n-3), so people often simplify and talk about " good " and " bad " fats. Chris -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Phil- >So what are healthy sources of n-6s? Pastured animal foods! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 On 9/28/05, REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote: > So what are healthy sources of n-6s? Yes, I second what said: animal fat, although specifically organ meats for the GLA and DGLA. Butter has some AA but I don't think it has so much of GLA or DGLA. Remember the needs for all PUFA are pretty small, so animal fats with some cod liver oil provide enough of all of them. Chris -- Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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