Re: Foremilk versus hindmilk: a new perspective on fat content

[Guest guest]

On 8/27/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> What this information suggests to me, particularly in combination with the

> fact that too much foremilk and/or too little hindmilk can cause colic,

> digestive difficulty and other problems, is that sugary and thin foremilk,

> or at least an overabundance of it, might be a consequence of

> insufficiently frequent feedings. (I suppose that, just like my assertion

> that human milk shouldn't be low-fat, this will be a very controversial

> idea, but please try to consider it objectively.) Certainly many women

> nowadays don't want to be bothered so much with nursing, and as far as I

> can tell (and according to my mom, whom I asked about this very subject)

> most women nowadays -- and for some time past -- don't nurse their babies

> nearly often enough. It sure is too bad Price didn't analyze the milk of

> his healthy natives...

>

> Food for thought? Or just for a new firestorm?

That seems reasonable to me. If I were a mom, I would sacrifice any

other pursuits in order to nurse as closely as possible to ancient

human tradition. I can't make that sacrifice, of course, but I would

certainly make whatever sacrifice necessary to enable my

(hypothetical) wife to do so. It seems like having a home-based

business is almost essential to optimal child-rearing, in the early

years.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

That is knowledge I have known for a long time. I remember Deirdre was

latched on for very long periods of time when she was young and small,

and I specifically allowing her to stay on until she dropped off on

her own. Since she would often re-root when I made a move to get up,

sometimes that lasted a very long time indeed. But then, I didn't have

a " real " job (just made art to sell), my husband was in college, we

were living off loans and WIC and things were fairly relaxed at that

time.

My personal feeling is that for us to be able to return to the

ancestral ways, including low-stress and high quality of life for

babies and adults, re-tribalizing is the key. It's no secret that

human beings evolved in tribes eating high quality animal and plant

foods, just as geese evolved in flocks and eating weeds and bugs, and

horses in herds eating grass, and so on. It's just biologically

appropriate for humans. And now, here we are, many of us from broken

" nuclear " homes hardly resembling a tribe at all, isolated, expected

to go out on our own for better or worse at 18, having to look to

gurus and strangers who may not have our best interests at heart

instead of our grandparents and elders for guidance. Sure, we can

slowly evolve for other things, but I don't think we've got that much

time left, considering the amount of devastation that has already

occured and how quickly it is barrelling forward. We already know soil

quality is not what it used to be. And that is only one tiny (albeit

important) strand of the web.

*plunk, plunk*

Sincerely,

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> > Food for thought? Or just for a new firestorm?

>

[Guest guest]

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> >The more time between feedings, the lower the fat content of the

foremilk

> >available to baby at the beginning of the feeding.

[Jan]

, another issue that many non-nursing folks may not be aware of is

that babies nurse very differently as they mature. Newborns nurse very

intently. Their world is basically eating and sleeping with a little

non-eating awake time thrown in. Once the baby starts seriously

noticing the world around him (around 3 months - it can vary a lot),

he'll get distracted while nursing. Very soon nursing during the day

will have to be done in a quiet darkened room, or the session will be

very short. The trend will move toward many very short nursing

sessions. There's a good reason that nursing first thing in the

morning (when the baby is still sleepy) and before bed (when the baby

is tired), are usually the last nursing times to end. The baby is less

distracted when he is falling asleep, and he'll suck even when he is

asleep. (My 6 year old daughter isn't even aware that she still makes

sucking motions and noises when she's first asleep, and she weaned at

14 months.) Obviously there are alot of variations that depend on the

personality of the child (and mother).

Any other Moms notice this pattern? All 3 of my kids did this to

varying degrees. I often found nursing during the day to be

frustrating once my kids were older than 6 months. And forget trying

to nurse discretly in public after that age...

Thanks for the info., !

Jan

[Guest guest]

--thank you for this invaluable information! Yet another reason

to wear and sleep with your baby as much as possible. If the baby is

in close proximity to the breast, they're bound to " snack " a lot on

higher-fat milk.

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> >The more time between feedings, the lower the fat content of the foremilk

> >available to baby at the beginning of the feeding.

[Guest guest]

Chris-

>It seems like having a home-based

>business is almost essential to optimal child-rearing, in the early

>years.

Either that or society's attitudes towards nursing have to change

radically. Either way, there's going to be tremendous resistance.

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>--thank you for this invaluable information! Yet another reason

>to wear and sleep with your baby as much as possible. If the baby is

>in close proximity to the breast, they're bound to " snack " a lot on

>higher-fat milk.

You're welcome of course, but I never thought of a baby as an item of

clothing before. <g>

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, well, you're probably not hanging out in the

crunchy/alternative/attachment parenting lists these days, but I'm

always happy to expand a mind ; )

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> You're welcome of course, but I never thought of a baby as an item of

> clothing before. <g>

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