Re: CLO,age spots

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On 9/16/05, REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote:

> How does one tell if CLO has gone bad? Does the appearance change? I'm

> starting to develop age spots for the first time(started eating this way in

> May) and am wondering if the CLO is the culprit? Anyway to remove the

> deposits from the cells?

I don't know what age spots are caused from, but fresh, unoxidized EPA

and DHA cause the accumulation of lipofuscin, the aging pigment. The

fats oxidize in your body, and from everything I've seen, this isn't

any less harmful than consuming them oxidized, and I have no idea why

Enig says that it is.

That said, CLO appears to actually reduce lipid oxidation in the body

when antioxidant levels are high enough, probably because of the

vitamin A. Perhaps your other antioxidant levels are low?

The water-solubles like C are important, but also E and CoQ10, which

are probably the hardest to obtain. A supplement or palm oil is great

for vitamin E, and rare or raw liver and to a lesser extent regular

red meat are good for CoQ10. You can synthesize CoQ10, but synthesis

starts declining at age 20.

Chris

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Phil-

>How does one tell if CLO has gone bad? Does the appearance change? I'm

>starting to develop age spots for the first time(started eating this way

>in May) and am wondering if the CLO is the culprit? Anyway to remove the

>deposits from the cells?

Liver spots are due to excess/inappropriate oxidation and lipofuscin

accumulation, as I understand it. DMAE (fish is the best food source

AFAIK) is supposed to help flush lipofuscin from the body and even inhibit

its formation. Acetyl l-carnitine is supposed to help flush it

out. Anything which reduces your oxidative burden will be useful --

antioxidants, saturated fats like coconut oil, a reduction of PUFA if

necessary, a reduction in your glycation burden (IOW carbs, basically), etc.

Supplemental DMAE, BTW, is supposed to be bad news because it inhibits

choline uptake in the brain. Centrophenoxine is supposed to avoid this

problem and has been reported to eliminate age spotting.

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I did not think I was consuming that much in the way of PUFA. A TBS of ground

flax seeds each day and though the beef,chicken and butter are organic they are

more grain fed than grass. I take a tsp of CLO each day. Can that be safely

increased? Maybe I need to do that or reduce the flax seeds?

Phil

Re: CLO,age spots

Phil-

>How does one tell if CLO has gone bad? Does the appearance change? I'm

>starting to develop age spots for the first time(started eating this way

>in May) and am wondering if the CLO is the culprit? Anyway to remove the

>deposits from the cells?

Liver spots are due to excess/inappropriate oxidation and lipofuscin

accumulation, as I understand it. DMAE (fish is the best food source

AFAIK) is supposed to help flush lipofuscin from the body and even inhibit

its formation. Acetyl l-carnitine is supposed to help flush it

out. Anything which reduces your oxidative burden will be useful --

antioxidants, saturated fats like coconut oil, a reduction of PUFA if

necessary, a reduction in your glycation burden (IOW carbs, basically), etc.

Supplemental DMAE, BTW, is supposed to be bad news because it inhibits

choline uptake in the brain. Centrophenoxine is supposed to avoid this

problem and has been reported to eliminate age spotting.

-

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Phil-

>I did not think I was consuming that much in the way of PUFA. A TBS of

>ground flax seeds each day and though the beef,chicken and butter are

>organic they are more grain fed than grass. I take a tsp of CLO each

>day. Can that be safely increased? Maybe I need to do that or reduce the

>flax seeds?

Yeah, for starters I'd absolutely ditch the flax. Conventional beef isn't

all that different in a macronutrient sense from grass-fed, but it's

definitely a lot less nutritious, so if there's any way you can switch to

grass-fed, I would. Beyond what I already said, though, and all the usual

nutritional advice of course, I'm not sure what else to suggest.

-

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On 9/18/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Phil-

>

> >I did not think I was consuming that much in the way of PUFA. A TBS of

> >ground flax seeds each day and though the beef,chicken and butter are

> >organic they are more grain fed than grass. I take a tsp of CLO each

> >day. Can that be safely increased? Maybe I need to do that or reduce the

> >flax seeds?

>

> Yeah, for starters I'd absolutely ditch the flax. Conventional beef isn't

> all that different in a macronutrient sense from grass-fed, but it's

> definitely a lot less nutritious, so if there's any way you can switch to

> grass-fed, I would. Beyond what I already said, though, and all the usual

> nutritional advice of course, I'm not sure what else to suggest.

I second, third, fourth, and trillionth that. A tablespoon of flax

has a real lot of PUFA without much benefit. These PUFAs will

increase lipofuscin levels directly. I would take the tsp of CLO and

ditch the flax. If you're using regular CLO, switch to the

high-vitamin CLO. (Radiant Life or Green Pastures [blue Ice]).

Chris

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On 9/16/05, REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote:

> How does one tell if CLO has gone bad? Does the appearance change? I'm

> starting to develop age spots for the first time(started eating this way in

> May) and am wondering if the CLO is the culprit? Anyway to remove the

> deposits from the cells?

>

> Phil,

You might want to switch to fish oil. Trade Joe's omega 3s works

fine.Havenever taken CLO, myself. I have liver, age spots on my lower

back from my

last pregnancy, 18 years ago which look to be a result of the DHA she

needed. First year of my diet change I used quite a bit of coconut oil and

milk until I got immediate swelling around my eyes one day from CO. Stopped

using it. Noticed that a few burns I'd gotten while putting wood in the

woodstove remained brown longer than they should. Started the fish oil and

the brown burn scarring went away, spots on back lighter, skin a different

soft. Head hair thicker, body hair less too. That could be be from something

else. Mono fats in avocado, which I try to eat daily are helpful too.

Wanita

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On 9/19/05, Wanita Sears <wanita.sears@...> wrote:

> On 9/16/05, REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote:

>

> > How does one tell if CLO has gone bad? Does the appearance change? I'm

> > starting to develop age spots for the first time(started eating this way

> in

> > May) and am wondering if the CLO is the culprit? Anyway to remove the

> > deposits from the cells?

> >

> > Phil,

>

> You might want to switch to fish oil. Trade Joe's omega 3s works

> fine.Havenever taken CLO, myself. I have liver, age spots on my lower

> back from my

> last pregnancy, 18 years ago which look to be a result of the DHA she

> needed. First year of my diet change I used quite a bit of coconut oil and

> milk until I got immediate swelling around my eyes one day from CO. Stopped

> using it. Noticed that a few burns I'd gotten while putting wood in the

> woodstove remained brown longer than they should. Started the fish oil and

> the brown burn scarring went away, spots on back lighter, skin a different

> soft. Head hair thicker, body hair less too. That could be be from something

> else. Mono fats in avocado, which I try to eat daily are helpful too.

If it could be something else, meaning you'd made lots of changes, I

wouldn't be too quick to attribute the lightening of the spots to fish

oil. Unless aging spots are related to something different than the

accumulation of aging pigment, fish oil should make it worse. Either

way, *high-vitamin CLO* is the least likely to lead to the

accumulation of aging pigment, while fish oil is the highest, out of

the three.

Chris

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On 9/20/05, Wanita Sears <wanita.sears@...> wrote:

> Bruce Fife N.D., offers a way to tell if you are getting too much omega-3;

> if you notice new liver spots, those dark patches that turn up on your skin

> as you age, that's an indication your omega-3 is out of balance, which he

> thinks could lead to too many free radicals circulating in the body

> (omega-3s are also polyunsaturated, as fragile as all other oils in this

> group and as prone to free radical development).

Omega-3s are more unsaturated than the corresponding omega-6 of the

same chain length, so are actually *more* likely to oxidize than

omega-6 fats.

Chris

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On 9/20/05, REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote:

> Well these spots are brand new. I did not realize one could have too many

> Omega-3's. I mean everything I've read in NT and on the WPF website seems to

> make the surplus of Omega 3's almost unheard of.

I agree that there is a deficiency in explaining this. You also get

the impression that it's really easy to get an excess of PUFA.

Then when you find out that all omega-3s are PUFAs (polyunsaturated

fats), your mind implodes, and you try to reconcile it.

In fact, Sally quite agrees that one can have to much omega-3. She

warned someone on the chapter leaders list that if they use flax oil,

they shouldn't use more than a teaspoon a day, and she said WAPF

recommends the high-vitamin CLO so one can get enough vitamin A

without overdoing the omega-3s. I guess I should bring this up to

her-- that newcomers probably get the impression that omega-3 intake

can be unlimited, which isn't the case.

Chris

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