Re: Pasteurized cooconutwater

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> > >But the numbers you post from WFN versus what I posted are pretty

> > >divergent. It looks like pasteurization has a pretty marked effect on

> > >the end product.

I don't trust any nutrition numbers on WFN coconut products. For one,

everything tastes too sweet to believe the low--or zero--carb numbers

listed on the labels.

For two, the freeze-dried coconut fiasco.

B.

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>I don't trust any nutrition numbers on WFN coconut products. For one,

>everything tastes too sweet to believe the low--or zero--carb numbers

>listed on the labels.

I've avoided most of their products for that very reason, but they do list

a lot of sugar for their coconut water -- and if there's even MORE sugar in

it, well, then that just heightens the contrast between that figure and the

numbers posted.

>For two, the freeze-dried coconut fiasco.

Yeah, there's always that. I've basically stopped ordering from them since

that, though I don't know of a better source for VCO.

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[Guest guest]

I've basically stopped ordering from them since

> that, though I don't know of a better source for VCO.

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How much vco do you need? If you use a lot, get it from Quality First

Int'l or check out WAPF chapterleader Hahn, she just started

importing/selling vco from the ines.

B.

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>How much vco do you need? If you use a lot, get it from Quality First

>Int'l or check out WAPF chapterleader Hahn, she just started

>importing/selling vco from the ines.

Does QFI sell directly to the consumer? How are their prices? The last

time I bought VCO (a fair bit ago) I got a 5 gallon drum from WFN. Even at

8T/day plus intermittent use in cooking, that's going to last me awhile,

but when I start running low I'll definitely look for alternatives to WFN.

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[Guest guest]

> Does QFI sell directly to the consumer? How are their prices? The

last

> time I bought VCO (a fair bit ago) I got a 5 gallon drum from WFN.

Even at

> 8T/day plus intermittent use in cooking, that's going to last me

awhile,

> but when I start running low I'll definitely look for alternatives

to WFN.

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I suspected you were a five-gallon man! Yes, QFI sells direct. $235

for five gallons, shipped to CA, unsure about NY.

B.

[Guest guest]

>For two, the freeze-dried coconut fiasco.

Hi , I have some of that stuff but haven't used it. What was the

fiasco about, please? Thanks! ~Robin

[Guest guest]

> Hi , I have some of that stuff but haven't used it. What was the

> fiasco about, please?

Robin,

It seems nobody realized that it was, in fact, full of sugar.

The manufacturer ran out of product/shut down and when WFN attempted

to replicate the product, they were unable to. So they assayed it and

found: sucrose.

I was burbling one day about how sweet is coco gem coconut milk while

having zero carbs listed on the label (!!!) when our own Idol

raised his ever-critical eyebrow and issued me a swift adjustment.

I'm convinced the coconut milk has ample, undeclared, carbs; I assume

from the added coconut water or worse. The coconut water label shows

plenty of simple carbs so I'm not sure how adding it to coconut cream

would not show up as carbs in the resulting, reconstituted, coconut

milk. I've never had the coconut water in tetra paks, but nothing

shocks me. I'd love to see an independant assay.

While WFN seem like nice people, and Annette readily admitted that she

was fooled by this freeze-dried coconut manufacturer instead of coming

up with some other story, I would have preferred them to issue a

broader statement of error, instead of people just discovering the

situation by word-of-mouth. I also requested they assay the rest of

their coconut products that are unaccountably sweet tasting.

Strangely, they've been strangled at customs for a bizarrely long time

now and unable to restock. Unless things have changed.

B.

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>I suspected you were a five-gallon man! Yes, QFI sells direct. $235

>for five gallons, shipped to CA, unsure about NY.

Thanks. At only $10 more than WFN, I don't see any reason not to order

direct in the future.

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>I'm convinced the coconut milk has ample, undeclared, carbs; I assume

>from the added coconut water or worse. The coconut water label shows

>plenty of simple carbs so I'm not sure how adding it to coconut cream

>would not show up as carbs in the resulting, reconstituted, coconut

>milk. I've never had the coconut water in tetra paks, but nothing

>shocks me. I'd love to see an independant assay.

While their coconut milk assuredly has more carbs than they're listing,

it's not necessarily the same as mixing coconut cream or flakes or what

have you with coconut water. (At least it shouldn't be.) Coconut water is

drawn from young coconuts, while milk is made from creaming the meat with

plain water. That's my understanding, anyway, and if correct, it'd mean

that some of the sugar found in the young coconut would be turned into fat

and fiber by the time you get around to making milk.

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[Guest guest]

> Thanks. At only $10 more than WFN, I don't see any reason not to order

> direct in the future.

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A WAPF chapterleader is entitled to 10% discount. If you know one,

have her order it for you.

B.

[Guest guest]

> While their coconut milk assuredly has more carbs than they're listing,

> it's not necessarily the same as mixing coconut cream or flakes or what

> have you with coconut water. (At least it shouldn't be.) Coconut

water is

> drawn from young coconuts, while milk is made from creaming the meat

with

> plain water. That's my understanding, anyway, and if correct, it'd

mean

> that some of the sugar found in the young coconut would be turned

into fat

> and fiber by the time you get around to making milk.

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Yes, those are the usual ingredients/procedures, but the listed

ingredients for Coco Gem are: coconut cream, coconut water. WFN is

now also conceding less than 1% sodium caseinate/xanthan gum.

Actually, now, on this box I have in my hand, there are no listed

ingredients! These people are killing me. IIRC those used to be the

listed ingredients. FWIW, heh.

So, given this, I'm guessing they take the coconut cream and coconut

water they process and mix them together to get 17% coconut oil for

the milk. They may add pure water, as well. This would certainly

account for that which is unaccountable, the sweetness of the final

product.

I just called and couldn't reach Annette (she was at a birth, how

sweet) and the employee was altogether unable to answer my inquiry.

B.

[Guest guest]

On 7/20/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> So, given this, I'm guessing they take the coconut cream and coconut

> water they process and mix them together to get 17% coconut oil for

> the milk. They may add pure water, as well. This would certainly

> account for that which is unaccountable, the sweetness of the final

> product.

I have made my own coconut milk in the past and it is not nearly as

sweet (or thick) as the stuff WFN has. I made it from mature coconuts

but I have also juiced the meat of young coconuts, and while tasty, it

is nowhere near as sweet as WFN's product.

[Guest guest]

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>A WAPF chapterleader is entitled to 10% discount. If you know one,

>have her order it for you.

Cool! Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

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>Yes, those are the usual ingredients/procedures, but the listed

>ingredients for Coco Gem are: coconut cream, coconut water. WFN is

>now also conceding less than 1% sodium caseinate/xanthan gum.

Interesting. I've never gotten the milk in the tetra packs, just the " pure

and natural " , but come to think of it, I haven't looked at the ingredient

panel. Those stinking narrow-mouthed bottles are way too much of a PITA to

scoop the cream out of, and the lids are always rusty.

As to getting them to concede... well, that was a headache unto itself.

>So, given this, I'm guessing they take the coconut cream and coconut

>water they process and mix them together to get 17% coconut oil for

>the milk. They may add pure water, as well. This would certainly

>account for that which is unaccountable, the sweetness of the final

>product.

That would explain a lot. I haven't used any of the remaining gum-free

stuff I have in a long time because it seemed sweet and it didn't work well

for me. Nertz.

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