Re: Carlsons CLO

[Guest guest]

At 12:08 PM 3/28/05 -0800, you wrote:

>My current batch of Carlsons is nearly over, and I am debating whether to

stick to it or

>go for the [more expensive] Blue Ice.

>Blue Ice is about $6 a bottle more expensive for me (including shipping).

Pratick -

Are you taking into account when pricing that you need to take a lot LESS

of the Blue Ice? Like, one-third as much? (At least that's what Ron

Schmid told me when I asked him about switching over.)

As far as the rosemary oil, I'm the wrong person to ask - it doesn't bother

me at all, but then, I'm also the biggest rosemary fan in the world, so, ya

know, I'm biased.

MFJ

If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

[Guest guest]

> Greetings,

>

> What's the general consensus regarding the Carlsons CLO re: the

use of soy-based vitamin

> E?

> I haven't received any definitive answer whether Carlsons contains

soy or not.

Someone else on another list checked it out and Carlson's does use

vit E derived from soy.

Also, 1 tsp of Carlson's has 1100 IU vitamin A. 1/2 tsp Blue Ice

contains 5750 IU vitamin A.

The WAP recommends 10,000 IU vitamin A per day, so if you want that

dosage, you would have to take about 9 tsp of Carlson's to get the

vitamin A in 1 tsp of Blue Ice. This feels like a Total Cereal

commercial.

Katy

[Guest guest]

About a half year ago I contacted Mercola on the subject of Carlson's

soy based vitamin E and the synthetic vitamin A and D used in the

product. They asked for more information and after I send them some

documents they went completely mute.

Petteri

> Greetings,

>

> What's the general consensus regarding the Carlsons CLO re: the use

of soy-based vitamin

> E?

> I haven't received any definitive answer whether Carlsons contains

soy or not.

> My email to the manufacturers went unanswered.

>

> I tried emailing Mercola since he raves about Carlsons and re-sells

it as well from him

> web site - no response there either.

> Interestingly, this is my first email that went unresponded by

Mercola - all my previous

> emails and questions were promptly answered by someone from his staff.

>

> My current batch of Carlsons is nearly over, and I am debating

whether to stick to it or

> go for the [more expensive] Blue Ice.

> Blue Ice is about $6 a bottle more expensive for me (including

shipping).

>

> Also, they use Rosemary Oil as the anti-oxidant.

> I know next to nothing about Rosemary Oil - what its properties are

and whether there are

> any issues with it or not.

>

> Any help in making a choice appreciated.

>

> -Pratick

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I'm interested in this discussion in part because I'm pretty sure that I saw

Ron Schmid selling Carlson's along with Blue Ice CLO at his table at the

2004 WAP conference. I took that as a strong endorsement. Was I wrong?

Ron

> > About a half year ago I contacted Mercola on the subject of

> Carlson's

> > soy based vitamin E and the synthetic vitamin A and D used in the

> > product. They asked for more information and after I send them some

> > documents they went completely mute.

>

> It's sad about Mercola.

> I geenrally like everything he says, but this kind of thing

> leaves a bitter taste in the

> mouth.

> Also his increasing commercialisation and advertising plugs

> in everything he says is a

> sad change too.

>

> So are you saying that Carlson not only uses soy, but their

> vitamins A and D are

> synthetic as well?

> If so, then how is this Cod Liver Oil - it is no better than

> a vitamin supplement !

[Guest guest]

--- RBJR <rbjr@...> wrote:

> I'm interested in this discussion in part because I'm pretty sure that I saw

> Ron Schmid selling Carlson's along with Blue Ice CLO at his table at the

> 2004 WAP conference. I took that as a strong endorsement. Was I wrong?

He sells it off his website too, as does Mercola.

I wouldn't be *that* worried about the small soy content in the oil, as long as

it is not

GMO.

Since it is manufactured in Europe, chances of it being GMO are lesser (almost

all soy in

North America is GMO).

The bigger concern for me is whether the vitamins A and D are synthetic (as

someone else

suggested).

The silence on the part of the manufacturer (Moeller) as well as Mercola on this

issue is

very disturbing, to say the least.

-Pratick

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

<<Are you taking into account when pricing that you need to take a lot LESS

of the Blue Ice? Like, one-third as much? (At least that's what Ron

Schmid told me when I asked him about switching over.)>>

If you don't have a problem with taste then the Blue Ice would probably be

the way to go. I, however, have great gag reflexes and so i went back to

Carlsons. Since i have to take more of it It's more expensive but for me

the alternative was not taking CLO at all.

Kathy A.

[Guest guest]

> So are you saying that Carlson not only uses soy, but their vitamins

A and D are

> synthetic as well?

> If so, then how is this Cod Liver Oil - it is no better than a

vitamin supplement !

>

> -Pratick

After discussing the subject with several experts from the CLO

industry side and medical legislation side it became quite clear that

this is

rather the rule and not the exeption.

CLO as a regulated product does not have to have any naturally

occuring vitamins in it. Only thing that is regulated is the oil part

- it has to be fish oil. Vitamins can be syntetic all the way. And you

don't have to inform about it on the product.

The processing plants of the big marine lipid companies produce

purified fish oil (separating oil from liver and so on) in one big

production line. This fish oil can be then sold as fish oil or used as

a " base " to make CLO by adding back the lost vitamins as synthetics.

It may sound silly but is actually the most cost-effective way to

manufacture for a big business.

Other way of making CLO is to try save most of the naturally occuring

vitamins in processing and then standardize the CLO. In all of the

medical product sheets I've seen this has been done with synthetics.

Any product that reports having a fixed amount of vit. A or vit. D has

to standardize the vitamins.

According to a representative of Lysi (a marine lipid company), if you

want to make unbleached and undeodorized cod liver oil with natural

vitamins A and D, the vitamin content will fluctuate a lot. The

vitamin A could be approximately 600 - 1.500 i.u./g and the D vitamin

100 - 250 i.u./g.

I haven't seen many products that really claim having only natural

vitamins and report the amounts in approximates. One such product

reports having Vitamin A: 875-1950 IU Vitamin D: 5-40 IU.

Petteri

[Guest guest]

Here's Mercola himself on soy derived vitamin E:

" Many of my subscribers are probably familiar with the Carlson name as

they are also my #1 choice for Fish Oil and Cod Liver Oil. Carlson

All-Natural Vitamin E products are derived from soybean oil. However,

there is no reason to be concerned that these are from soy – as all of

the negative elements of soy have been removed and only the valuable

vitamin E elements are provided. "

http://www.mercola.com/forms/vitamine.htm

>

> > So are you saying that Carlson not only uses soy, but their vitamins

> A and D are

> > synthetic as well?

> > If so, then how is this Cod Liver Oil - it is no better than a

> vitamin supplement !

> >

> > -Pratick

[Guest guest]

Does this apply to Nordic Naturals too you think?

Elaine

> After discussing the subject with several experts from the CLO

> industry side and medical legislation side it became quite clear that

> this is

> rather the rule and not the exeption.

>

> CLO as a regulated product does not have to have any naturally

> occuring vitamins in it. Only thing that is regulated is the oil part

> - it has to be fish oil. Vitamins can be syntetic all the way. And you

> don't have to inform about it on the product.

>

> The processing plants of the big marine lipid companies produce

> purified fish oil (separating oil from liver and so on) in one big

> production line. This fish oil can be then sold as fish oil or used as

> a " base " to make CLO by adding back the lost vitamins as synthetics.

> It may sound silly but is actually the most cost-effective way to

> manufacture for a big business.

>

> Other way of making CLO is to try save most of the naturally occuring

> vitamins in processing and then standardize the CLO. In all of the

> medical product sheets I've seen this has been done with synthetics.

> Any product that reports having a fixed amount of vit. A or vit. D has

> to standardize the vitamins.

>

> According to a representative of Lysi (a marine lipid company), if you

> want to make unbleached and undeodorized cod liver oil with natural

> vitamins A and D, the vitamin content will fluctuate a lot. The

> vitamin A could be approximately 600 - 1.500 i.u./g and the D vitamin

> 100 - 250 i.u./g.

>

> I haven't seen many products that really claim having only natural

> vitamins and report the amounts in approximates. One such product

> reports having Vitamin A: 875-1950 IU Vitamin D: 5-40 IU.

>

> Petteri

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

--- pkankkunen <petteri.kankkunen@...> wrote:

> After discussing the subject with several experts from the CLO

> industry side and medical legislation side it became quite clear that

> this is

> rather the rule and not the exeption.

>

> CLO as a regulated product does not have to have any naturally

> occuring vitamins in it. Only thing that is regulated is the oil part

> - it has to be fish oil. Vitamins can be syntetic all the way. And you

> don't have to inform about it on the product.

I got my first set of Blue Ice CLO last week.

It tastes better than the Carlson's - doesn't have the " fishy " taste.

But if the idea about *all* CLO containing synthetic vitamins is true, then

Carlson's is

probably better than Blue Ice because it will contain less synthetic vitamins.

Both the products say on the label that they don't use synthetic vitamins.

Unlike Carlson's, Blue Ice has a range for the DHA and EPA, but the A and D is a

single

number.

> I haven't seen many products that really claim having only natural

> vitamins and report the amounts in approximates. One such product

> reports having Vitamin A: 875-1950 IU Vitamin D: 5-40 IU.

Which brand is that?

Also, I am finding that the Carlson's being sold in grocery stores (at least

here in

Canda) is actually the " reduced " vitamin A and D version - I haven't been able

to find

the original Carlson's that has 1100 IU of Vitamin A as shown on their website.

Maybe they plan to manufacture only the " reduced " vitmain version moving

forward.

-Pratick

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[Guest guest]

At 07:30 AM 4/9/05 -0700, you wrote:

>I got my first set of Blue Ice CLO last week.

>It tastes better than the Carlson's - doesn't have the " fishy " taste.

Oh my. Pratick, what flavor did you get? I discovered that whoever

said the " orange " flavor didn't do anything to disguise the straight fish

oil flavor was absolutely right - that stuff is ... well, icky. To me at

least. Trying the mint next (when I get some) and after I choke down

the rest of this " orange " bottle. Heh.

MFJ

I don't wanna work, I wanna play in the dirt all day.

[Guest guest]

--- " F. Jewett " <mfjewett@...> wrote:

> Oh my. Pratick, what flavor did you get? I discovered that whoever

> said the " orange " flavor didn't do anything to disguise the straight fish

> oil flavor was absolutely right - that stuff is ... well, icky.

I got the regular flavour, that is, no flavour at all.

Even for the Carlson's I used the unflavoured one.

And no, Blue Ice doesn't taste icky to me, but neither did Carlson.

Carlson had the raw fish taste (which didn't bother us), but BI doesn't.

-Pratick

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I've got the Ice Blue CLO in mint flavor. It's got a slightly fishy

smell and taste. It's not too bad, except I'd rather deal with a

straight fish taste than a weird combination of mint & fish. The lemon

Carlson's I've had is definitely superior in taste. To me, the

Carlson's had no hint of fish smell or taste.

All the best,

Jan

> >I got my first set of Blue Ice CLO last week.

> >It tastes better than the Carlson's - doesn't have the " fishy "

taste.

>

> Oh my. Pratick, what flavor did you get? I discovered that whoever

> said the " orange " flavor didn't do anything to disguise the straight

fish

> oil flavor was absolutely right - that stuff is ... well, icky. To

me at

> least. Trying the mint next (when I get some) and after I choke

down

> the rest of this " orange " bottle. Heh.

>

> MFJ

> I don't wanna work, I wanna play in the dirt all day.

[Guest guest]

At 09:13 AM 4/9/05 -0700, you wrote:

>I got the regular flavour, that is, no flavour at all.

>Even for the Carlson's I used the unflavoured one.

>

>And no, Blue Ice doesn't taste icky to me, but neither did Carlson.

>Carlson had the raw fish taste (which didn't bother us), but BI doesn't.

>

>-Pratick

You're a strong man. I bow in humble submission to your fortitude.

/end teresa imitation

MFJ

I don't wanna work, I wanna play in the dirt all day.

[Guest guest]

At 04:17 PM 4/9/05 -0000, you wrote:

>

>

>I've got the Ice Blue CLO in mint flavor. It's got a slightly fishy

>smell and taste. It's not too bad, except I'd rather deal with a

>straight fish taste than a weird combination of mint & fish. The lemon

>Carlson's I've had is definitely superior in taste. To me, the

>Carlson's had no hint of fish smell or taste.

Me too. Actually, the Carlson's didn't really taste like lemon to me

either, so it was basically okay except for how much of it I had to take.

I'm told the Blue Ice kinda grows on ya. LOL. Still waiting for that.

MFJ

I don't wanna work, I wanna play in the dirt all day.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> Oh my. Pratick, what flavor did you get? I discovered

> that whoever

> said the " orange " flavor didn't do anything to disguise the

> straight fish

> oil flavor was absolutely right - that stuff is ... well,

> icky. To me at

> least. Trying the mint next (when I get some) and after I

> choke down

> the rest of this " orange " bottle. Heh.

>

I'm beginning to wonder if how CLO and fish oil tastes to each person is an

indicator as to whether or not your body needs it? I drink down the

unflavored Blue Ice twice a day and can't get any strong taste at all after

about 30 seconds, while my wife has about as much difficulty as you describe

above getting her portion of the flavored oils down.

My first thought was that it was simply mind over matter and once you make

the decision that CLO is good for you you just do what it takes and adjust

to the taste. I'm seeing so many reports here of people who never seem to

adapt that I'm wondering if there isn't a larger mechanism at work.

Ron

[Guest guest]

At 03:58 PM 4/9/05 -0400, you wrote:

>I'm beginning to wonder if how CLO and fish oil tastes to each person is an

>indicator as to whether or not your body needs it? I drink down the

>unflavored Blue Ice twice a day and can't get any strong taste at all after

>about 30 seconds, while my wife has about as much difficulty as you describe

>above getting her portion of the flavored oils down.

>

>My first thought was that it was simply mind over matter and once you make

>the decision that CLO is good for you you just do what it takes and adjust

>to the taste. I'm seeing so many reports here of people who never seem to

>adapt that I'm wondering if there isn't a larger mechanism at work.

>

>Ron

Eh. Food is an art to me. There are all sorts of different variables

that will make something more or less palatable to me. With CLO, I

object as much to the texture of " drinking " straight oil as I do to the

taste. I blew off Carlson's because I didn't like 3 tbsp of oil going

through my mouth. I don't have that problem with Blue Ice, as it's

only 1 tbsp. Flavor sucks, but it's offset by 1/3 as much oil. Yada

yada yada.

Sort of like I always thought I hated sushi and sashimi. Tried again

and realized it wasn't the taste, it was the texture of most fish I didn't

like (with the exception of sometimes tuna and eel). So I discovered

ceviche.

Like I know liver is good for me. Doesn't mean I've eaten it again yet.

Taste, texture, nuance .... art.

MFJ

There's no such thing as a failure who keeps trying - coasting to the

bottom is the only disgrace. ~Blues Traveler

[Guest guest]

's Method for Eating Yucky Tasting Things, including CLO:

1. Plug nose by raising the back of your soft palate up. You should

be able to breathe through your mouth.

2. Swallow the CLO (or other offensive substance). KEEP HOLDING YOUR NOSE.

3. Take a swig of something strong, like OJ, coffee, whatever. I

usually follow CLO with VCO to clear the taste completely.

4. Release your nose after 30 seconds or so (you can breathe through

your mouth, of course).

Remember: if you can't smell, you can't taste (other than salty,

sweet, sour, and bitter).

HTH!

[Guest guest]

> At 03:58 PM 4/9/05 -0400, you wrote:

>>I'm beginning to wonder if how CLO and fish oil tastes to each person is

>>an

>>indicator as to whether or not your body needs it? I drink down the

>>unflavored Blue Ice twice a day and can't get any strong taste at all

>>after

>>about 30 seconds, while my wife has about as much difficulty as you

>>describe

>>above getting her portion of the flavored oils down.

>>

>>

>>Ron

Ron

Remember 's smell test for metabolic type I mentioned? See if you and

your wife can describe the smell as different. BTW, metabolic protein types

shouldn't use CLO for A, only palmitate. Never did get to CLO myself. Take

fish oil and haven't got to palm oil or found a decent palmitate. has

problems with CLO.

You did mention your daughter relieved her IBD, constipation, iirc with a

meat, potato, veggie diet. Could be your wife and daughter are stronger

protein types than you. Certain smells get me long before hubby and

daughter.

Still owe you a answer I haven't got to look up and write yet.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

At 06:44 PM 4/9/05 -0400, you wrote:

>

>'s Method for Eating Yucky Tasting Things, including CLO:

>

>1. Plug nose by raising the back of your soft palate up. You should

>be able to breathe through your mouth.

>2. Swallow the CLO (or other offensive substance). KEEP HOLDING YOUR NOSE.

>3. Take a swig of something strong, like OJ, coffee, whatever. I

>usually follow CLO with VCO to clear the taste completely.

>4. Release your nose after 30 seconds or so (you can breathe through

>your mouth, of course).

>

>Remember: if you can't smell, you can't taste (other than salty,

>sweet, sour, and bitter).

>

>HTH!

So, , can we have pictures of this?

C'mon, you know you want to.

MFJ

There's no such thing as a failure who keeps trying - coasting to the

bottom is the only disgrace. ~Blues Traveler

[Guest guest]

> So, , can we have pictures of this?

>

> C'mon, you know you want to.

>

>

>

> MFJ

Wouldn't you rather see pics of my derriere (pre and post kettlebells)?????

[Guest guest]

> But if the idea about *all* CLO containing synthetic vitamins is

true, then Carlson's is

> probably better than Blue Ice because it will contain less synthetic

vitamins.

> Both the products say on the label that they don't use synthetic

vitamins.

Do they really say that? I can't find such text on my Blue Ice label

and don't recall seeing on Carlson's either. I'm not claiming that

Blue Ice has one thing or the other, the contents are just as vague as

in most CLO products.

> > I haven't seen many products that really claim having only natural

> > vitamins and report the amounts in approximates. One such product

> > reports having Vitamin A: 875-1950 IU Vitamin D: 5-40 IU.

>

> Which brand is that?

>

That is Nordic Naturals, the other I've seen was by Garden of life, I

think.

Petteri

[Guest guest]

Hi Wanita,

> Remember 's smell test for metabolic type I mentioned?

> See if you and

> your wife can describe the smell as different.

I do recall that you mentioned it but did not see where it was described or

can't remember it if you did.

> BTW, metabolic

> protein types

> shouldn't use CLO for A, only palmitate. Never did get to CLO

> myself. Take

> fish oil and haven't got to palm oil or found a decent

> palmitate. has

> problems with CLO.

Hmmm. Interesting. I've been mostly using it for omega 3 supplementation.

It's interesting that you mention this because I was actually planning to

reduce my intake of CLO as I begin to implement raw liver into the diet. My

plan was to take some high vit CLO and then add in regular fish oil to round

out the omega 3 quotient.

>

> You did mention your daughter relieved her IBD, constipation,

> iirc with a

> meat, potato, veggie diet. Could be your wife and daughter

> are stronger

> protein types than you. Certain smells get me long before hubby and

> daughter.

Still more interesting.

>

> Still owe you a answer I haven't got to look up and write yet.

>

No rush. As you can see I've been rather absent lately myself. Turns out I

re-detached my right biceps tendon last week -- 6 weeks after my surgery --

and I get to go back under the knife on Thursday. Life has been hectic.

Cheers,

Ron

[Guest guest]

Hi Wanita:

Biotics Research does a Bio-Ae-Mulsion Forte vitamin A as palmitate in drop

form.

Biotics Research is a top notch vitamin company in my opionion anyway.

vsp

On 4/12/05, RBJR <rbjr@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Wanita,

>

> > Remember 's smell test for metabolic type I mentioned?

> > See if you and

> > your wife can describe the smell as different.

>

> I do recall that you mentioned it but did not see where it was described

> or

> can't remember it if you did.

>

> > BTW, metabolic

> > protein types

> > shouldn't use CLO for A, only palmitate. Never did get to CLO

> > myself. Take

> > fish oil and haven't got to palm oil or found a decent

> > palmitate. has

> > problems with CLO.

>

> Hmmm. Interesting. I've been mostly using it for omega 3 supplementation.

> It's interesting that you mention this because I was actually planning to

> reduce my intake of CLO as I begin to implement raw liver into the diet.

> My

> plan was to take some high vit CLO and then add in regular fish oil to

> round

> out the omega 3 quotient.

>

> >

> > You did mention your daughter relieved her IBD, constipation,

> > iirc with a

> > meat, potato, veggie diet. Could be your wife and daughter

> > are stronger

> > protein types than you. Certain smells get me long before hubby and

> > daughter.

>

> Still more interesting.

>

> >

> > Still owe you a answer I haven't got to look up and write yet.

> >

>

> No rush. As you can see I've been rather absent lately myself. Turns out I

> re-detached my right biceps tendon last week -- 6 weeks after my surgery

> --

> and I get to go back under the knife on Thursday. Life has been hectic.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Ron

>

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I just talked to the Blue Ice lady. She swears up and down nothing synthetic

is added to Blue Ice. She's a homeschooling mom of five who struck me as

passionate and well-educated about nutrition.

Elaine

> From: " pkankkunen " <petteri.kankkunen@...>

> Reply-

> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:15:17 -0000

>

> Subject: Re: Carlsons CLO

>

>

>

>

>

>> But if the idea about *all* CLO containing synthetic vitamins is

> true, then Carlson's is

>> probably better than Blue Ice because it will contain less synthetic

> vitamins.

>> Both the products say on the label that they don't use synthetic

> vitamins.

>

> Do they really say that? I can't find such text on my Blue Ice label

> and don't recall seeing on Carlson's either. I'm not claiming that

> Blue Ice has one thing or the other, the contents are just as vague as

> in most CLO products.

>

>>> I haven't seen many products that really claim having only natural

>>> vitamins and report the amounts in approximates. One such product

>>> reports having Vitamin A: 875-1950 IU Vitamin D: 5-40 IU.

>>

>> Which brand is that?

>>

>

> That is Nordic Naturals, the other I've seen was by Garden of life, I

> think.

>

> Petteri

>

>

>

>

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