Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 >>>>>>>> Oregon Lawmakers Weigh Outlawing Foie Gras Wanita >>>>>>>>>>>> It's already banned in California I think... ~Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 >Oregon Lawmakers Weigh Outlawing Foie Gras > >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FOIE_GRAS_FEUD?SITE=AP & SECTION=HOME & TEMP\ LATE=DEFAULT > >Our ducks would force feed themselves all day long. > >Wanita Can't you make it with just a slightly less-fatty liver? I'm with you on the " overfeeding " ... most birds will stuff themselves given half a chance, without bothering with a feed tube. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Wanita- I was told that geese put up a fuss for the first few days but then grow to love gorging themselves, though I don't know for sure whether that's true. But then again, I don't even know whether it's possible to create foie gras from birds eating proper diets. >Oregon Lawmakers Weigh Outlawing Foie Gras > >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FOIE_GRAS_FEUD?SITE=AP & SECTION=HOME & TEMP\ LATE=DEFAULT > >Our ducks would force feed themselves all day long. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 My food coop stopped carrying pate that contained foie gras due to member outrage over the force feeding. A French guy wrote a letter to our coop's paper saying that the tube " forced " feeding actually mimics what geese do naturally--he grew up in Gascony and thought it was silly to label the feeding method as cruel. Food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 >A French guy wrote a letter to >our coop's paper saying that the tube " forced " feeding actually mimics >what geese do naturally--he grew up in Gascony and thought it was >silly to label the feeding method as cruel. Food for thought. > > Good point! I've raised lots of baby birds from scratch, and yeah, that's how they eat! Geese are big birds, and I'd guess they go along with the procedure or it would be difficult to do. When you feed baby birds, they stretch out their little necks eagerly so you can shove a tube down their throat .. OK, it's not MY idea of a good time, but they like it. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Heidi- >When you feed baby birds, they stretch out their little >necks eagerly so you can shove a tube down their throat .. >OK, it's not MY idea of a good time, but they like it. I guess it sort of mimics the mother sticking her beak into their mouths and dropping in food. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 >>A French guy wrote a letter to >>our coop's paper saying that the tube " forced " feeding actually mimics >>what geese do naturally--he grew up in Gascony and thought it was >>silly to label the feeding method as cruel. Food for thought. >> >> > > Good point! > > I've raised lots of baby birds from scratch, and yeah, that's > how they eat! Geese are big birds, and I'd guess they > go along with the procedure or it would be difficult to do. > When you feed baby birds, they stretch out their little > necks eagerly so you can shove a tube down their throat .. > OK, it's not MY idea of a good time, but they like it. > > > Heidi Jean Scratch it up to another do gooder issue with no thought to or knowledge of natural behaviors. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 >Scratch it up to another do gooder issue with no thought to or knowledge of >natural behaviors. > >Wanita Like the ones that rescue lobsters ... ! What gets me is that factory farms are quite legal, and THOSE I think are cruel. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 > What gets me is that factory farms are quite legal, and THOSE I think are > cruel. > > > Heidi Jean Saw salmon fisherman tonight on tv saying it's so hard to compete with farms. Not only that, there's this article in my mail about farmed salmon sea lice infecting wild http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4391711.stm Am with you on the boundaries of cruel, like some semblance to open space, natural food and no constant close confinement. If the goose for fatty livers are raised with no moving around room to fatten quicker while being force fed, it's cruel. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 >Saw salmon fisherman tonight on tv saying it's so hard to compete with >farms. Not only that, there's this article in my mail about farmed salmon >sea lice infecting wild >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4391711.stm Am with you on the >boundaries of cruel, like some semblance to open space, natural food and no >constant close confinement. If the goose for fatty livers are raised with no >moving around room to fatten quicker while being force fed, it's cruel. > >Wanita Yeah, we tend to go to extremes on this stuff. Fish farms aren't new ... my grandad worked on one when he was a kid. Big ponds full of carp. They don't HAVE to be awful. I used to have a carp pond, and it was really pretty. I'm thinking of starting one again, only for food fish. Farm animals can be really happy and content, probably even foie gras geese. But in a system that is BUILT on competition, everyone goes to the utmost extremes (how many chickens can we get per square foot?) rather than what is just decent and pragmatic. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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