Re: Hi...laurainnew...reply

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> " so do vegetable products. especially the imported ones! "

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> If you are attempting to argue a point with " one " sentence sound

bits then you should think about becoming a politician!

I'll take that as a complement.

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> I purchase my vegetables from local organic farmers.

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> FYI: Vegetables take far less energy and resources than do animal

production - this is just obvious.

No it's not obvious at all...and it's a fallacy that's been

repeated and repeated until it's believed all too much. It now falls

into the category of myth.

if you're talking about conventional farming, you MIGHT have a point.

please look up Salatin's books, especially the one called Salad

Bar Beef. he has been farming the way he describes for decades...and

i believe the way his family was for generations, out of switzerland

i think.

he debunks this myth in lots and lots of detail...and he's not

talking theory, he's knows from doing it for a long time.

you might also want to look up the publication Acres USA...i honestly

think this would interest you, a newspaper-like magazine aimed mostly

at organic type farmers. all kinds of farmers, plant and animal.

the way he farms...he feeds many more people on the acres he has

using animals, than he possibly could with crops. think about

it...all that tonnage just walking around. and chickens too, all on

the same pasture, in succession.

please don't argue back without having read the book first...we've

all read Diet for a small planet. it just doesn't hold up anymore.

trust me on this. no, don't trust me...find out for yourself, with

an open mind. tell yourself you're going to forget what you already

think you know, forget what you've been taught, what you've read.

start from scratch and have the open mind of a seeker...and seek the

truth.

if nothing else, you can always reaffirm your own 'truth'. but if

you really seek and search, i don't think you will.

make your arguments after you read the book...i would love to read

them. seriously. but if you just try to argue i won't listen or

reply.

PLEASE read the book. i think you will find it to be incredibly eye

opening, as i did. i was a vegan at one point. i saw this man

Salatin on the news several years ago and he opened my eyes.

he's in VA and has at least one open house per year...plus i think

teaching courses and such.

all the best to you, richard. i truly wish you all the best...and

many blessings.

laura in nj

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On 7/12/05, richard s <grabbeeproduct@...> wrote:

> " so do vegetable products. especially the imported ones! "

>

> If you are attempting to argue a point with " one " sentence sound bits then

> you should think about becoming a politician!

This makes your last sentence-- or argument rather-- particularly ironic.

> I purchase my vegetables from local organic farmers.

Interesting, so where they come from and how they're grown are just as

important as whether they're vegetables or not... good point!

> FYI: Vegetables take far less energy and resources than do animal production

> - this is just obvious.

It's also a useless point. (If it really is obvious, then it is by

definition useless to say, isn't it?) Animal products are more energy

dense. Vegetable protein is of lower quality, less usable and with a

lower concentration of essential amino acids. Nutrients in general

are more absorbable from animal products-- some nutrients are a LOT

more absorbable from animal products.

Some essential nutrients are only found in animal products. A

rather... " obvious " point.

I'm still wondering whether you read the introduction page to this

group. Or are you just here to crash the party?

Chris