Re: Help with making electrolyte cocktail (was Low-carbing and athletic performance)

[Guest guest]

Has anyone tried adding a splash of kombucha to plain water? Or kefirred

juice?

Deb

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Can I ask y'alls assistance in concocting an NT version of low carb

gatorade, which is highly diluted but will help replace some of the

stuff sweated off during hour plus workouts in the heat?

Muchos gracias,

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Deanna-

>What do you mean safe? Belch-free?

Basically, but I'd imagine it's probably not great to have exogenous gases

bubbling around while jarring and/or compressing the midsection a lot.

>I really do need the mineral drinks

>on my long runs this summer. Maybe I can add something to the mix like

>grapefruit juice. Isn't that pretty good on potassium? I am being a

>complete idiot for not even drinking anything, and 4 miles is my minimum

>distance now.

Well, if you want to get REALLY serious about mineral waters, you could try

out WaterOz. http://www.wateroz.com/

I have no affiliation with them and I've never tried their products -- and

they're pretty bloody expensive! -- so don't consider this an

endorsement. But for the wealthy, it would be an interesting experiement,

anyway.

You certainly need some kind of beverage, but I'd be very leery of fruit

juice. Very, very, very leery. As in I'd urge you to stay away from

it. Don't become dependent on sugar, just train your body to burn fat

smoothly and steadily.

>Can I ask y'alls assistance in concocting an NT version of low carb

>gatorade, which is highly diluted but will help replace some of the

>stuff sweated off during hour plus workouts in the heat?

Well, I'm not sure how important during-exercise mineral replacement really

is. Maybe post-workout replacement is all that's generally necessary. But

there are still mineral waters out there, and it's easy enough to convert a

sparkling water to a still one if you want to take the time.

Some sort of MCT or CO delivery system for use during workouts might be

useful, too. Softgels? I don't know. Making those at home would be

difficult and expensive.

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[Guest guest]

>Has anyone tried adding a splash of kombucha to plain water? Or kefirred

>juice?

>

>Deb

>

That occurred to me after I asked, and also the fact that I hadn't

searched NT for this sort of thing, <g>. I did after and came up with

potassium broth which sounds yelck for my workout purposes. I don't

know how much mineral replacement a splash will give, and I think coach

is pretty anti-fruit juice. Maybe I should dose up the night

before and drink plain water during the long runs.

Thanks.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Deanna-

>That occurred to me after I asked, and also the fact that I hadn't

>searched NT for this sort of thing, <g>. I did after and came up with

>potassium broth which sounds yelck for my workout purposes. I don't

>know how much mineral replacement a splash will give, and I think coach

> is pretty anti-fruit juice. Maybe I should dose up the night

>before and drink plain water during the long runs.

A small amount of kombucha in water might work. Same with a smallish

amount of fermented coconut water. I have a couple bottles in the fridge

that I fermented quite thoroughly. I didn't especially like the taste, but

at least it wasn't sweet. (It's also under so much pressure that I'm

halfway scared to open it. The last time I tried, I opened a

room-temperature bottle -- big mistake! The entire lid assembly shot off

like a bullet and almost took someone's eye out.) I've intermittently

thought about mixing a little into the vast quantities of ice water I gulp

down during my workouts, but OTOH I'm really not seeing the need lately. I

don't feel like I'm crashing or anything even though I'm generally working

out for over two hours.

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[Guest guest]

I don't know how NT this is. But we drink fresh celery juice as an

electrolyte drink to replace gatorade now. This is especially refreshing

cold after spending a day out in the sun. You could use it well diluted.

Blessings,

[Guest guest]

>Well, if you want to get REALLY serious about mineral waters, you could try

>out WaterOz. http://www.wateroz.com/

>

>I have no affiliation with them and I've never tried their products -- and

>they're pretty bloody expensive! -- so don't consider this an

>endorsement. But for the wealthy, it would be an interesting experiement,

>anyway.

>

>

, jeez Louise are they expensive! Like $20 a pint! And Water of

Life is on the menu; does that mean I become a Reverend Mother when I

drink that, lol? I would hope at least prescience would come to me at

such a price.

>You certainly need some kind of beverage, but I'd be very leery of fruit

>juice. Very, very, very leery. As in I'd urge you to stay away from

>it. Don't become dependent on sugar, just train your body to burn fat

>smoothly and steadily.

>

>

Aye aye, El Capitan. I was just thinking an itsy bit, but maybe an itsy

bit ain't worth much. I will continue in my low carb duties <quick salute>.

>Well, I'm not sure how important during-exercise mineral replacement really

>is. Maybe post-workout replacement is all that's generally necessary. But

>there are still mineral waters out there, and it's easy enough to convert a

>sparkling water to a still one if you want to take the time.

>

>

I sweat like you do. And I am slow now, working on the miles. Speed

will be worked on later in autumn. For the half, I will be needing to

run 16 miles once a week soon. That's over 2 hours easy when I go 6-7

mph on a nice day (which is hot and soupy now, so it factors in as

well). It really is a consideration anyway. I agree sugar is bad news,

and heck, I am not even doing water much. But I do not want heat stroke

or low sodium (other depletion) issues. Pre run (ie. night before)

mineral rich fare might be a good choice too, just in case.

>Some sort of MCT or CO delivery system for use during workouts might be

>useful, too. Softgels? I don't know. Making those at home would be

>difficult and expensive.

>

Pemmican maybe? Maybe I could think on that. Some sort of way to deal

with the mushiness that comes with heat and CO. I could add some to the

water bottle and shake it up, but that sounds messy.

Thanks coach! ;-)

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>I don't know how NT this is. But we drink fresh celery juice as an

>electrolyte drink to replace gatorade now. This is especially refreshing

>cold after spending a day out in the sun. You could use it well diluted.

>

>Blessings,

>

>

That's the ticket! Great idea and generous on sodium. I could even

bring a small shot with some VCO in it besides the water. Like a baby

sippy cup. Young DS can carry it for me on bike for the long trail runs

he rides along on. Yes, I enjoy an entourage at times.

Much gratitude,

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Deanna-

>, jeez Louise are they expensive! Like $20 a pint! And Water of

>Life is on the menu; does that mean I become a Reverend Mother when I

>drink that, lol? I would hope at least prescience would come to me at

>such a price.

Yeah, it ain't cheap. Unless you're Bill Gates-rich, their stuff is

probably more useful only for trace minerals, since a bottle would last so

long. Assuming it's all it's cracked up to be, at that.

>Aye aye, El Capitan. I was just thinking an itsy bit, but maybe an itsy

>bit ain't worth much. I will continue in my low carb duties <quick salute>.

I doubt it's necessary to go zero-carb during workouts, but probably the

less the better, particularly if you're trying to shed any fat.

>I sweat like you do.

I hope you'll forgive me for doubting you. Thirty Helens agree that I

sweat more than any ten other entities in the universe put

together. (Well, OK, not really, but it does get absurd in the

summer. Lots of CO seems to take the edge off slightly, and I recently

read that a silica deficiency can cause excessive sweating, but then again

Lyme is supposed to sometimes cause it, in which case I'm probably BLEEPed.)

>But I do not want heat stroke

>or low sodium (other depletion) issues. Pre run (ie. night before)

>mineral rich fare might be a good choice too, just in case.

Mineral-loading is probably an excellent idea (provided the sources are

good, yada yada yada) but if you're sweating for long enough, some salt at

least might be well-advised.

>Pemmican maybe? Maybe I could think on that. Some sort of way to deal

>with the mushiness that comes with heat and CO. I could add some to the

>water bottle and shake it up, but that sounds messy.

Pemmican mixed up in your water bottle? Excuse me, I have to go barf

now. <g> Seriously, that sounds hideous. I hope I misunderstood you!

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[Guest guest]

The NT ginger beer is kick-ass for replacing energy during hard work

in the heat.

Regarding a VCO deliver system-- in the summer when it's melted at

room temp, it should be easy to just eat and chase down with water. I

find it gross to do so when solid, but very easy when liquid.

For workouts, I don't do it any more, but in the past I've just added

ionic mineral solution to my water. Yes, it tastes gross. But I

don't go to the gym for a gourmet dinner!

Chris

[Guest guest]

,

>

>I hope you'll forgive me for doubting you. Thirty Helens agree that I

>sweat more than any ten other entities in the universe put

>together. (Well, OK, not really, but it does get absurd in the

>summer. Lots of CO seems to take the edge off slightly, and I recently

>read that a silica deficiency can cause excessive sweating, but then again

>Lyme is supposed to sometimes cause it, in which case I'm probably BLEEPed.)

>

>

We'll have to have a " sweat off " to find out for sure. Sweating is a

sign of superior fitness, and genetics and maybe other things. My sweat

is pretty salty too, et vous?

>>Pemmican maybe? Maybe I could think on that. Some sort of way to deal

>>with the mushiness that comes with heat and CO. I could add some to the

>>water bottle and shake it up, but that sounds messy.

>>

>>

>

>Pemmican mixed up in your water bottle? Excuse me, I have to go barf

>now. <g> Seriously, that sounds hideous. I hope I misunderstood you!

>

LOL. My bad, I was contemplating VCO in different mediums. VCO in

water bottle is what I thought. But now that you mention it, pemmican

might give me the competitive edge. Downing and throwing up pemmican

shake would keep other runners away <g>.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

On 7/20/05, Deanna Wagner <hl@...> wrote:

> Sweating is a sign of superior fitness, and genetics and maybe other things.

I'd like to learn more about this. Where can I?

(chris prances away into the sun with a smile of blissful ignorance

upon his face, having convinced himself he was born with superior

health)

[Guest guest]

Chris-

>Regarding a VCO deliver system-- in the summer when it's melted at

>room temp, it should be easy to just eat and chase down with water. I

>find it gross to do so when solid, but very easy when liquid.

I just drink VCO in the warm months and then chase it with ice water. Not

too awful and pretty easy to get used to. But I just can't do it when it's

solid. The gag reflex has been too strong for me to make any headway, so I

only wind up taking it straight in spring and summer and maybe part of

autumn. Though I suppose I could keep some on top of the fridge or

something in the cooler months.

>For workouts, I don't do it any more, but in the past I've just added

>ionic mineral solution to my water. Yes, it tastes gross. But I

>don't go to the gym for a gourmet dinner!

Where you do get your ionic mineral solution?

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[Guest guest]

Deanna-

>We'll have to have a " sweat off " to find out for sure. Sweating is a

>sign of superior fitness, and genetics and maybe other things.

My understanding, actually, is that highly fit people will tend to sweat

more immediately after exertion than during, though I haven't looked into

it to find out whether it's true. Of course, weather will no doubt affect

that, as well as the length of the exertion. Then again, I've typically

sweated for long periods after exertion in addition to during, but less so

when I'm in better shape.

>My sweat

>is pretty salty too, et vous?

Haven't tasted it lately.

>LOL. My bad, I was contemplating VCO in different mediums. VCO in

>water bottle is what I thought. But now that you mention it, pemmican

>might give me the competitive edge. Downing and throwing up pemmican

>shake would keep other runners away <g>.

Especially if you put in a clear bottle!

As to VCO, I think it would probably work better to have a small bottle of

VCO and a separate large bottle of ice water.

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[Guest guest]

>>Sweating is a sign of superior fitness, and genetics and maybe other things.

>>

>>

>I'd like to learn more about this. Where can I?

>

>

Read exercise physiology books.

>(chris prances away into the sun with a smile of blissful ignorance

>upon his face, having convinced himself he was born with superior

>health)

>

I said *superior fitness*, not superior health. To be superiorly fit

requires training. It is well known that athletes have a much more

sensitive sweating ability than non trained persons, due in part to

adaptations to exercise in general, and, over long periods of training,

to the increase in the amount of blood vessels in the body (superficial

capillaries). Cooling the body is vital not just because muscle

performance deteriorates with increased heat, but because your health

and life can be jeopardized without it. You hit about 104 degrees, and

the brain will start shutting bodily systems down, beginning with the

exercise mode at hand. The person who is able to sweat before the core

temperature reaches this point is just better off for it. Genetics do

play a role, but adaptation to training (aka superior fitness) is

probably the biggest factor.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Can I ask y'alls assistance in concocting an NT version of low carb

gatorade, which is highly diluted but will help replace some of the

stuff sweated off during hour plus workouts in the heat?

Muchos gracias,

Deanna

What about using a low-sugar fruit juice/water mix with a small amount of

Azomite or Pascalite powder added to it. The fruit juice would supply glucose

and the clay powders would add minerals.

Rebekah

[Guest guest]

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>Of course, weather will no doubt affect

>that, as well as the length of the exertion. Then again, I've typically

>sweated for long periods after exertion in addition to during, but less so

>when I'm in better shape.

>

Yes, the heat index, combining heat and humidity is a good measure of

how miserable it is. When that sweat doesn't evaporate, it is of no

use. Since we are both whining about this, I thought I'd mention that

today in the Metroplex it is getting up to 98 with some chance sprinkles

from diminishing hurricane 's arm. Oh joy! This weather is one

reason why I don't do many speed drills. The lows are high 70s, and

when the lows come in early morning, humidity is almost 100%. I have a

Nordic Trac if it gets much worse. I only hope it dries up some, as is

common towards August here.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/pub/heat.php

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Deanna-

>Since we are both whining about this, I thought I'd mention that

>today in the Metroplex it is getting up to 98 with some chance sprinkles

>from diminishing hurricane 's arm.

Well, see, you can't even blame global warming for having horrible summers

where you live. I mean, it's Texas! What did you expect? <g>

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