Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Dennis, <Anyone know cause or cure for rosacea. Cure-zone recommends flushes, I think. Not sure which though. I'm wondering whether raw dairy contributes. Doctors I've seen don't know cause or cure besides antibiotics. In 1994 I was told by a dermatologist that only antibiotics could control my rosacea and that even with that, it would grow worse in time, being incurable. I do not know if I still have rosacea or not, but I can tell you I now have no signs of it. My skin grows increasingly more fine-pored, " calm " and stable in color--apart from slightly rosy cheeks. I have read differing theories as to the cause, most of them linking the outbreaks to a staph infection, but the one theory that made most sense to me pointed to problems with the digestion of certain foods. And since I do not take any kind of meds, I can only suppose that it's the changes I've made in diet that have made the difference for me. So, I would think raw dairy would be a problem only if it's an allergic-type problem for you. On the bright side: cea is also connected with high oil production (sometimes causing bletharitis as well-- a disease of the eyelids which also gave me problems in the past), but all that oil is very nice as you age with few or no wrinkles. <g> http://www.taichi4seniors.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 ---Thanks , Were there any foods in general you thought caused the problem? Did you cut your intake way way back to the basics til the problem went away? Did you ever do the liver flushes or others? Take any supplements you thought helped? I've been using very little dairy since Doc identified the problem. There's probably an underlying problem I'm thinking. Dennis In , " West " <clairewest@c...> wrote: > Dennis, > > <Anyone know cause or cure for rosacea. Cure-zone recommends flushes, > I think. Not sure which though. I'm wondering whether raw dairy > contributes. Doctors I've seen don't know cause or cure besides > antibiotics. > > In 1994 I was told by a dermatologist that only antibiotics could control my > rosacea and that even with that, it would grow worse in time, being > incurable. I do not know if I still have rosacea or not, but I can tell you > I now have no signs of it. My skin grows increasingly more fine- pored, > " calm " and stable in color--apart from slightly rosy cheeks. > > I have read differing theories as to the cause, most of them linking the > outbreaks to a staph infection, but the one theory that made most sense to > me pointed to problems with the digestion of certain foods. And since I do > not take any kind of meds, I can only suppose that it's the changes I've > made in diet that have made the difference for me. So, I would think raw > dairy would be a problem only if it's an allergic-type problem for you. > > On the bright side: cea is also connected with high oil production > (sometimes causing bletharitis as well-- a disease of the eyelids which also > gave me problems in the past), but all that oil is very nice as you age with > few or no wrinkles. <g> > > > http://www.taichi4seniors.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 >> Gluten. Gluten-free diet. << Well, I've been gluten-free for over two years now and I still have rosacea, albeit very mildly. It's still triggered for me by wind and by caffeine. And sometimes stress. Christie Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986 http://www.caberfeidh.com http://doggedblog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 > acne/rosacea > > >Anyone know cause or cure for rosacea. Gluten. Gluten-free diet. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 That's not good news. I'd rather give up raw milk. I just found a good supplier of homemade cinnamon rolls a few weeks ago. Thanks for the info, Suze. Dennis > > > acne/rosacea > > > > > >Anyone know cause or cure for rosacea. > > > Gluten. Gluten-free diet. > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > http://www.westonaprice.org > > ---------------------------- > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > <http://www.thincs.org> > ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Dennis, <---Thanks , Were there any foods in general you thought caused the problem? Did you cut your intake way way back to the basics til the problem went away? Did you ever do the liver flushes or others? Take any supplements you thought helped? I've been using very little dairy since Doc identified the problem. I think whatever foods may be troublesome for you have to be completely eliminated. That is, if dairy is truly a problem for you (even when raw and cultured), then even the smallest amount is going to keep the rosacea reaction going. Figuring out which foods are the culprits is very difficult. The standard advice is to eliminate most everything until you have the symptoms subside, and then start adding things back in only one at a time, waiting at least three days before deciding if you're okay. (Sometimes it takes that long for the problem to build and a reaction to occur.) But that technique was very difficult for me. I'm not the most patient person in the world, and sometimes I'd try to add back more than one thing at a time, or not wait for the three days to be up. So instead I turned to researching food theories, and over a period of 3-4 years,I experimented with different ideas until I found first one approach, and then a second, that were clearly working for me. I combined these, leaving out some elements and making modifications in others until I found what seemed best. I wasn't really working on rosacea -- I had many health concerns, one of them deadly serious -- so much as I was trying to find the optimal diet for me. I really believe that the particular symptoms of labeled diseases are unimportant and should never be addressed in isolation from the overall health of the body. If we give the body what it needs, it knows enough to institute the healing process at every level. I never did do liver flushes. Some years I had tried supplements and came to feel that they were not helpful to my body or to my pocketbook. Hippocrates said " Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food " -- or words to that effect -- and that's what I do. It may take time, but you can overcome, I believe, any degenerative process, at any age. I wish you courage and persistance in your journey. http://www.taichi4seniors.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:33:43 -0400 " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote: > > > acne/rosacea > > > > > >Anyone know cause or cure for rosacea. > > > Gluten. Gluten-free diet. Sugar. Sugar free diet. <weg> Sorry Dennis. Still no help for you and those cinnamon rolls, lol! " You say the times are troublesome, the times are burdensome, the times are miserable. Live rightly and you will change the times. The times have never hurt anyone. Those who are hurt are human beings; those by whom they are hurt are also human beings. So, change human beings and the times will be changed. " St. Augustine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 On 6/17/05 5:33 PM, the Muses inspired Suze Fisher to write: >> Anyone know cause or cure for rosacea. > > > Gluten. Gluten-free diet. I have also heard that probiotics, such as kefir, work. The woman who said this was doing both. YR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 -I've wondered about stress and lack of sleep causing problems. Guess I'll go back to some basics and whatever ripe stuff in the garden that seems ok..I don't have any gluten or sugar in the garden. Thanks. Dennis -- In , " Christie " <christiekeith@c...> wrote: > >> Gluten. Gluten-free diet. << > > Well, I've been gluten-free for over two years now and I still have rosacea, > albeit very mildly. It's still triggered for me by wind and by caffeine. And > sometimes stress. > > Christie > Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds > Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986 > http://www.caberfeidh.com > http://doggedblog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 >Sorry Dennis. Still no help for you and those cinnamon rolls, lol! > > Aw come'on! You can make GREAT cinnamon rolls without gluten! (not without sugar though ... well, you can use rapadura and still have great cinnamon rolls). I don't think sugar causes rosacea though. Seems to be an IgA thing ... gluten and/or casein usually. The only thing I haven't been able to make that my family still asks for is Pepperidge Farm Turnovers. We had some wonderful Pita bread and baba ganoush for lunch though. I had rosacea for years and years and was on antibiotics for it. The antibiotics worked nicely, except they messed up my vitamin K absorption. Probably any topical antibiotic would help: like tea tree/eucalyptus/oregano oil in alcohol as a face wash, or my good ol' Pascalite. The newer face treatments for teens might help too: they are very antibiotic. That is a symptomatic treatment, not treating the underlying cause though. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Look up flash-freezing with dry ice or liquid nitrogen for rosacea. _____ Anyone know cause or cure for rosacea. Cure-zone recommends flushes, I think. Not sure which though. I'm wondering whether raw dairy contributes. Doctors I've seen don't know cause or cure besides antibiotics. Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 > Re: acne/rosacea > > >>> Gluten. Gluten-free diet. << > >Well, I've been gluten-free for over two years now and I still >have rosacea, >albeit very mildly. It's still triggered for me by wind and by >caffeine. And >sometimes stress. Right. I wasn't offering it as THE solution, but as A solution. I'm sure other food allergies may trigger it as well. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 I've not had a problem with rosacea myself. but I've read of others having good success using things like virgin coconut oil, topically as well as internally, and kefir. Seems like it might have something to do with fungal over growth. I've also read of people who had skin rashes improving with the use of either kefir or VCO. It seems the skin manifests the underlying problems of fungus and/or toxic overload, and taking care of those root problems will improve most skin conditions. Debbie in TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 > Anyone know cause or cure for rosacea. Cure-zone recommends flushes, > I think. Not sure which though. I'm wondering whether raw dairy > contributes. Doctors I've seen don't know cause or cure besides > antibiotics. Dennis, Acne rosacea is caused by too much " heat " in the skin. Aggravated by: hot and sour foods (hot spices, sour fruits, fermented foods, tomatoes, seafood, canned/preserved foods, soda, pastry, chocolate, pizza, french fries, sweets, antibiotics) Harsh chemical peels hot and sour emotions (anger, frustration, disappointment, anxiety, overambition, stress/pressure, acrimonious relationships) overactivity, hot weather and sunshine. Suggestions: Do not use any astringents, toners or harsh substances on the skin. Use only gentle, cooling, soothing treatments, like...milk! Wash with milk. Make a compress with a cooling herb tea. (nettle, comfrey) Make a paste of fresh cilantro and mint + water and use as a facial mask and lie down and cool off for ten, fifteen minutes, then rinse. Use gentle liver cleansing teas to cleanse and cool the liver. Katja's burdock/dandelion/licorice tea is swell. Also, Swedish Bitters. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 dkemnitz2000 wrote: > Anyone know cause or cure for rosacea. Cure-zone recommends flushes, > I think. Not sure which though. I'm wondering whether raw dairy > contributes. Doctors I've seen don't know cause or cure besides > antibiotics. Dennis > What helped me was eliminating all sugar, and limiting fresh fruit. No fruit juices. Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:13:26 -0700 Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote: > > >Sorry Dennis. Still no help for you and those cinnamon rolls, lol! > > > > > > Aw come'on! You can make GREAT cinnamon rolls without gluten! > (not without sugar though ... well, you can use rapadura > and still have great cinnamon rolls). I don't think sugar causes > rosacea though. Seems to be an IgA thing ... gluten and/or casein > usually. I don't know whether sugar is THE cause, but I have known a whole bunch of folks over the years who when they gave up sugar in all its forms saw their rosacea go away. ============================================================ " So this is how freedom dies -- to thunderous applause. " (Senator Padme Amidala in " Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith " ) ============================================================ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 > > > Anyone know cause or cure for rosacea. Cure-zone recommends flushes, > > I think. Not sure which though. I'm wondering whether raw dairy > > contributes. Doctors I've seen don't know cause or cure besides > > antibiotics. Dennis I have heard that it is linked to vit B deficiency - it would be easy to try taking a vit B complex for a few weeks to see if it makes a difference JO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 ---Thanks for all the info regarding rosacea. Many of these things below do seem to cause me problems. I read in an Asian whole foods healing book the liver is not cleansing the blood ie it is overloaded (overwhelmed?). Interestingly enuf(to me) the radio station here has a public service announcement for a rosacea support group. Dennis in KS In , " downwardog7 " <illneverbecool@g...> wrote: > > > Anyone know cause or cure for rosacea. Cure-zone recommends flushes, > > I think. Not sure which though. I'm wondering whether raw dairy > > contributes. Doctors I've seen don't know cause or cure besides > > antibiotics. > > Dennis, > Acne rosacea is caused by too much " heat " in the skin. > > Aggravated by: > hot and sour foods (hot spices, sour fruits, fermented foods, > tomatoes, seafood, canned/preserved foods, soda, pastry, chocolate, > pizza, french fries, sweets, antibiotics) > > Harsh chemical peels > > hot and sour emotions (anger, frustration, disappointment, anxiety, > overambition, stress/pressure, acrimonious relationships) > > overactivity, hot weather and sunshine. > > Suggestions: > > Do not use any astringents, toners or harsh substances on the skin. > Use only gentle, cooling, soothing treatments, like...milk! > > Wash with milk. > > Make a compress with a cooling herb tea. (nettle, comfrey) > > Make a paste of fresh cilantro and mint + water and use as a facial > mask and lie down and cool off for ten, fifteen minutes, then rinse. > > Use gentle liver cleansing teas to cleanse and cool the liver. > Katja's burdock/dandelion/licorice tea is swell. Also, Swedish Bitters. > B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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