Re: Exercise for Healthy Natives (was: And a short digression)

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Robin,

>My " role " has always been the healthy energetic one -- the winner -- the

>achiever -- and I guess I still feel that way even though it's kind of funny

>to be lying on my back most of the time now like a beached salmon.

>

>

Ah yes, pleased to meet you " Winner. " My name is " Motivator, " lol. And

you are still a winner. Why, you're the winner of the beached salmon

contest!

>

>One very good thing about being athletic and active since childhood is that

>even though I haven't been able to keep to my usual regimen of activity, my

>body has stayed really toned -- I'm amazed. I'm very strong for my size.

>That's why I keep preaching lately about taking it easy in workouts and so

>on; It really doesn't take much if you have the regular discipline.

>

>

Yes, and when you get off the beach and start swimming upstream again,

you will find it takes so much less time to get back to where you once

were - athletically speaking - than it does for Joe Sedentary to achieve

fitness for the first time. I grew up at the beach btw, in the ocean.

I ran the two mile in HS track and then spent the next 20 years in the

fitness industry as an instructor and sport specific trainer. I never

did get body building clients, only athletes or business men preparing

for ski season. It is amazing how fit you can stay and how what you

might consider a light workout, someone else might find torturous.

Strength has always been important to me as well. Being thin is not

always healthy. A recent study showed that chunkier fit people live

longer than thin sedentary folk.

>Now, when I have bouts of feeling better I do yoga and am surprised at how

>strong I still am, how quickly it comes back. That makes me feel very good

>about a healthy future. And then when I'm having an especially not-so-hot

>day, I take a half hour walk because exercise, movement, is just so

>ingrained in me. I love it and these little walks keep me balanced and are

>my gauge for how sick or not sick I am. Besides keeping my blood moving

>around, the walks give me the opportunity to breathe deeply and let the

>oxygen inform the body that I'm still very much alive and kicking in there.

>

>BTW, I think all that weight bearing exercise over the years probably helped

>mitigate the effects of malabsorption of minerals -- we don't talk about it

>here much but isn't weight bearing exercise an important part of protecting

>and preserving bone mass? I wonder how that works actually; I mean if

>flattened villi in the guts act to prohibit absorption of bone building

>minerals like calcium and magnesium, why are my bones and muscles in such

>good shape still?

>

I can't answer your question, Robin, but recent research points to

weight-bearing exercise as being more important than nutrition to bone

health in adolescents. Girl, I got hit by a car on a bike once and

never did break my bones (although my triceps is disfigured from it). I

am a firm advocate of exercise in whatever form the person can deal with

as a necessary component to overall health. And that might mean farm

work or walking or power yoga or all of that and more. But it is just

as important as good nutrition to health. It keeps us youthful and

feisty. For some of us type A personalities it calms us down, lol.

I am sure Price's natives all worked hard to obtain good nutrition. I

know he didn't focus on exercise, but it IS of great importance and WAS

a part of life before modern civilization (with cheap oil). Look at the

natives in his book with wide faces and strong bodies. Those fine

physiques don't come from sitting in an office or driving a tractor all

day. They weren't fragile and delicate. They were sturdy! These

people obviously enjoyed so much labor every single day. Nomadic

hunter-gatherers were probably involved most with endurance types of

exercise. Those settled were doing weight lifting and cardiopulmonary

exercise; aka digging gardens, driving cattle, running from mean

roosters and building homes.

Anyway, it is a good question about your ample bone density with

malabsorption issues. Perhaps the little amount of minerals you

absorbed was put to good work in your skeletal system.

BTW, are you off dairy now too? You mentioned milk allergy, just curious.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

> Yes, and when you get off the beach and start swimming upstream again,

> you will find it takes so much less time to get back to where you once

> were - athletically speaking - than it does for Joe Sedentary to

> achieve

> fitness for the first time.

So offer Jane Sedentary here some hope. I have never been a jock. I

used to walk quite a bit, but then I had a difficult pregnancy on

bedrest, tried to walk my way back to health and then developed

fibromyalgia. Then another bad pregnancy and then a heart attack and

mis-medication that kept me sedentary for over a year. So now I'm very

achey, very tired and very deconditioned. Is there any hope for a

44-year-old like me?

Lynn S.

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[Guest guest]

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:51:35 -0700

Lynn Siprelle <lynn@...> wrote:

> > Yes, and when you get off the beach and start swimming upstream again,

> > you will find it takes so much less time to get back to where you once

> > were - athletically speaking - than it does for Joe Sedentary to

> > achieve

> > fitness for the first time.

>

> So offer Jane Sedentary here some hope. I have never been a jock. I

> used to walk quite a bit, but then I had a difficult pregnancy on

> bedrest, tried to walk my way back to health and then developed

> fibromyalgia. Then another bad pregnancy and then a heart attack and

> mis-medication that kept me sedentary for over a year. So now I'm very

> achey, very tired and very deconditioned. Is there any hope for a

> 44-year-old like me?

>

> Lynn S.

There is always hope.

Years ago I read a book titled, _A Dud at 70 and a Stud at 80_ by Noel

. CC Pollen still carried it not to long ago but it might be out

of print.

http://www.ccpollen.com.

The guy was an absolute mess at 70 years old and then decided he wanted

to get healthy again. He did that through the liberal use of bee

products, change in diet, and exercise. He had been a boxer in his youth

but don't think that meant anything. Studies have shown that all

benefits of being an athlete are lost after 5 years of being sedentary.

This guy had been sedentary (and sick) for decades.

He ended up running marathons, revitalizing his libido, and just

recently died a few years back at the ripe old age of 110!

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[Guest guest]

> There is always hope.

Thank you, because every story I ever hear is always, " oh, I ran track

in high school, " " oh, I was a varsity volleyball player in college, "

" oh, I was a rollerblader " , blah blah blah, and then they gained ten

pounds and oh, they were so out of shape. I've NEVER been in great

shape, and I never hear stories about people like me who have gone on

to get healthy. I don't want to run a marathon. I don't even want to

RUN. I would just like to be able to chase the chickens around the yard

without getting completely winded. And I'd like to get under 200 lbs.

Lynn S.

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[Guest guest]

>So offer Jane Sedentary here some hope. I have never been a jock. I

>used to walk quite a bit, but then I had a difficult pregnancy on

>bedrest, tried to walk my way back to health and then developed

>fibromyalgia. Then another bad pregnancy and then a heart attack and

>mis-medication that kept me sedentary for over a year. So now I'm very

>achey, very tired and very deconditioned. Is there any hope for a

>44-year-old like me?

>

>Lynn S.

>

Hi Lynn,

Now is a great time to begin exercising. My suggestion would be

walking, swimming and/or Iyengar yoga to start (with the legally derived

advice to consult your doctor first). Since you have had health issues,

you may best be served in a health club setting, if that suits you.

Deep water aerobics can be very fittening, yet gentle on achy parts. If

you can afford the time and money for a trainer, it would be well worth

it for you. Most personal trainers have backgrounds in physiology and

are familiar working with people of varying health/illness profiles. If

you could get a packet of sessions (usually at a bargain), you might

gain so much insight about exercise for you and your circumstances, that

you'd be set from then on. Plus, you would be under supervision for the

beginning of your program. Shop around for someone you like.

With yoga, it potentially is a more dangerous undertaking, because ime,

many yoga instructors have 1) no clue about anatomy/physiology, 2) are

sloppy in their instruction and adjustments, and 3) can hurt clients who

have specific health concerns by placing them in poses (asanas) which

are contraindicated for their condition (like headstand for heart

patients). Thus I recommend Iyengar Yoga as it takes an anatomically

correct stance and their instructors will query you about health before

any class. Guruji (BKS Iyengar) developed the use of props and is very

big on yoga therapeutics. You might find a therapeutic class to start

with. It is well worth the effort to search out a studio devoted to

this " style " of yoga, not that others are inferior, but I am speaking

from my experience. I trained under Lois Steinberg in Illinois awhile

back, and the teacher education is very rigorous. Here's listings

worldwide:

http://bksiyengar.com/modules/Teacher/teacher.asp

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>The guy was an absolute mess at 70 years old and then decided he wanted

>to get healthy again. He did that through the liberal use of bee

>products, change in diet, and exercise. He had been a boxer in his youth

>but don't think that meant anything. Studies have shown that all

>benefits of being an athlete are lost after 5 years of being sedentary.

>This guy had been sedentary (and sick) for decades.

>

>He ended up running marathons, revitalizing his libido, and just

>recently died a few years back at the ripe old age of 110!

>

>

,

Great story. I doubt if established neuromotor pathways diminish so much in

five years. I would *think* that once a great tennis player, always a decent

one, above novice level. But I don't know. Perhaps these are not the benefits

the studies measured, but they are benefits nonetheless.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

On 6/20/05 1:47 PM, the Muses inspired Lynn Siprelle to write:

> I've NEVER been in great

> shape, and I never hear stories about people like me who have gone on

> to get healthy.

That reminds me, Powter is online now. I dont always agree with her,

but I love how she calls mainstream culture on its bs about diet:

http://www.susanpowteronline.com

YR

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

> I've NEVER been in great

> shape, and I never hear stories about people like me who have gone on

> to get healthy. I don't want to run a marathon. I don't even want to

> RUN. I would just like to be able to chase the chickens

> around the yard

> without getting completely winded. And I'd like to get under 200 lbs.

Here are a few links to some people who started from where you are at. I

know some of them personally and others via the Internet. They all started

late in life with no athletic background and transformed themselves.

The bottom and top links are the most amazing stories. Both guys were truly

obese all of their lives and turned it all around. The guy on the bottom

link ran an Ironman in Wisconsin two years after he started losing weight.

It _can_ be done although it is rare.

http://tinyurl.com/aorvo

http://tinyurl.com/b4k7a

http://tinyurl.com/c4ef7

http://tinyurl.com/b2awt

http://tinyurl.com/dnskw

Ron

[Guest guest]

Re: Exercise for Healthy Natives (was: And a short digression)

So offer Jane Sedentary here some hope. I have never been a jock. I

used to walk quite a bit, but then I had a difficult pregnancy on

bedrest, tried to walk my way back to health and then developed

fibromyalgia. Then another bad pregnancy and then a heart attack and

mis-medication that kept me sedentary for over a year. So now I'm very

achey, very tired and very deconditioned. Is there any hope for a

44-year-old like me?

Lynn S.

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Lynn,

One chief deficiency in people with fibromyalgia is magnesium. Magnesium is also

one of the first things that doctors intravenously give to people who have had

heart attacks. I like the magnesium from Source Naturals; it comes with malic

acid which is very good for the mitochondria in the cells.

After a traumatic auto accident with quite a lot of pain from whiplast, I have

found that Pilates is wonderful to help bring me back into balance. I'm sorry I

can't elaborate at the moment, but you should find plenty of material about it

on the internet. It's kind of a cross between physical therapy, stretching, and

strength training but since it involves a careful use of muscles, there is a

minimal chance of getting hurt from it.

Nenah

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--- In , " Nenah Sylver " <nenah@b...>

wrote:

>

> Re: Exercise for Healthy Natives (was: And a short

digression)

>

> So offer Jane Sedentary here some hope. I have never been a jock. I

> used to walk quite a bit, but then I had a difficult pregnancy on

> bedrest, tried to walk my way back to health and then developed

> fibromyalgia. Then another bad pregnancy and then a heart attack

and

> mis-medication that kept me sedentary for over a year. So now I'm

very

> achey, very tired and very deconditioned. Is there any hope for a

> 44-year-old like me?

>

> Lynn S.

>

> ------

> Lynn,

> One chief deficiency in people with fibromyalgia is magnesium.

Magnesium is also one of the first things that doctors intravenously

give to people who have had heart attacks. I like the magnesium from

Source Naturals; it comes with malic acid which is very good for the

mitochondria in the cells.

>

> After a traumatic auto accident with quite a lot of pain from

whiplast, I have found that Pilates is wonderful to help bring me

back into balance. I'm sorry I can't elaborate at the moment, but you

should find plenty of material about it on the internet. It's kind of

a cross between physical therapy, stretching, and strength training

but since it involves a careful use of muscles, there is a minimal

chance of getting hurt from it.

>

> Nenah

Lynn, to add to what Nenah, said, i have a pilates dvd i really like,

by Austin; there are 2 diff. routines and the first one takes

about a half hour; but it's quite intense. i highly recommend it.

laura in nj

[Guest guest]

Well, I started. Better to strike a match than curse the darkness.

Following guidelines from the local fibromyalgia clinic, I walked 3

minutes on my treadmill today. I'll do another 3 minutes midday and

another 3 at the end of the day. If I can get out of bed tomorrow, I'll

do it again.

Lynn S.

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http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

http://www.deanspeaksforme.com * http://www.knitting911.net

[Guest guest]

>Well, I started. Better to strike a match than curse the darkness.

>Following guidelines from the local fibromyalgia clinic, I walked 3

>minutes on my treadmill today. I'll do another 3 minutes midday and

>another 3 at the end of the day. If I can get out of bed tomorrow, I'll

>do it again.

>

>Lynn S.

>

You go, girl! How are you feeling today? A thousand mile journey

begins with a single step.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

> You go, girl! How are you feeling today?

A little sore. I haven't done my walking today, in fact as soon as I

clear my email here I should go do that. Wednesdays are knitting circle

day so I don't get much else done but hosting.

Lynn S.

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Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

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http://www.deanspeaksforme.com * http://www.knitting911.net