POLITICS - Re: Reply...Heidi...2nd time

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--- laurainnewjersey <laurabusse@...> wrote:

> ever heard Fr. Tom Hopko speak or read any of his

> books? he was the

> one who saved me out of it all; he became my father

> confessor, my

> spiritual father. God sent him into my life to help

> me, to spare me,

> to remove me from the mess i found myself in. he

> used to

> say...beware of anyone who speaks of the canons, who

> quotes the

> canons.

How interesting regarding your discovery of Father

Hopko and your experience of St. Vladimir's Seminary.

This would explain a lot, an awful lot.

At any rate, best I know Father Hopko never left

Orthodoxy (unlike yourself), despite his take on

Orthodox " Traditionalism " .

take care,

" In The Abolition of Man, C.S.

observed that the modern schoolboy

is conditioned to take one side in

a controversy which he has not learned

to recognize as a controversy at all.

That is, he is trained to assume a

materialist and Darwinian outlook,

without realizing that materialism and

Darwinism have been subject to thoughtful

criticisms from their first appearance. "

Joe Sobran

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>

> How interesting regarding your discovery of Father

> Hopko and your experience of St. Vladimir's Seminary.

> This would explain a lot, an awful lot.

i not sure what you mean by that... my experience in orthodoxy ran

the gamut from extremely liberal to over-the-top conservative.

they try to strike a balance at st. vlad's and i give them a lot of

credit. they discourage extremism. extremism is a poison that kills

the soul. i credit fr. hopko for resurrecting mine. really i credit

God...but God used Fr. Hopko.

>

> At any rate, best I know Father Hopko never left

> Orthodoxy (unlike yourself), despite his take on

> Orthodox " Traditionalism " .

if you really listen to him, his take, which i presume you disagree

with, is very wise and moderate. (he is semi-retired and in the

process of writing more books, i believe). he has dealt with

countless people over the decades...he knows people, what they are,

what they need, what makes them thrive, what kills their spirit.

he's a good, good man. cares about God, he cares about people, and

he cares about the church, in the right order. i've met too many

orthodox who care more about the church than they do about God and

the people. the church in reality is the people. but to many people

it's a 'thing' of beauty and with many rules. the holy scripture

warns of people who say, 'don't eat that, don't touch that'. i'm

paraphrasing.

>

one more thing and i hope we can end the conversation tho i have a

feeling it probably won't.

i hope this will drive home to you the evil i was in the midst of.

after i 'came out', like i was coming out of a cult, with all the

mental and emotional trauma, 9-11 happened. i became horribly

fascinated with these radical muslims...and the more i read about

them, and i read many books on islam, not because i'm interested in

islam personally, but to understand these murderers, i became

convinced of one thing.

i came to understand that i knew these murderers because i had met

them.

the radical, extreme, traditionalist orthodox are no different from

the radical, extreme traditionalist muslims.

except for one thing. the the radical, extreme, traditionalist

muslims kill the body, while the the radical, extreme, traditionalist

orthodox kill the soul.

laura