Re: Determining optimum basic diet from scratch

[Guest guest]

> Hi All,

>

> I want to ask your advice about my sister. She's 54 and has been

> suffering from severe mental illness for several years. She became

> manic, was manic for a while and then crashed into a severe

> depression, and has been there ever since. I am thinking that

> improving her diet might help her significantly. She does try to eat

> at healthily as she can, given her circumstances, and is somewhat

> knowledgeable in that area, but I don't think she quite knows what her

> optimum diet is. I think it's likely she's eating foods that are not

> good for her. I'm thinking some kind of metabolic typing paradigm

> might help. I've been reading some old posts on the subject. One of

> them said that the questionnaire in the Wolcott book seemed to end up

> designating most people as mixed types, and made reference to an

> Intermediate questionnaire. Can anyone help me get started with

> this--either with regard to metabolic typing or making any suggestions

> about determining one's optimum basic diet from scratch? Thanks.

>

> Rick,

Buy The Mood Cure, by Ross--buy it fast.

B.

[Guest guest]

>Rick:

>

>I want to ask your advice about my sister. She's 54 and has been

>suffering from severe mental illness for several years. She became

>manic, was manic for a while and then crashed into a severe

>depression, and has been there ever since.

According to the latest research, a LOT of mental illness

is caused by IgA food intolerances. About half the folks

with " mental illness " react to gluten, mainly if they have

certain genes. One psychiatrist tests the patients for the

genes, and if they have those genes, puts them on a GFCF

diet and claims a 95% cure rate.

The mechanism is likely that when you have an IgA food

intolerance (at least the gluten one) your body produces

zonulin, which allows undigested proteins to leak out of the

gut and also leak into the brain (zonulin temporarily breaks

down the gut/blood and blood/brain barrier). Casein molecules

seem to be one of the worst as far as mental affects, when

they get thru the " holes " . They are working on a zonulin blocker:

when it gets developed it will be very interesting to see

what happens!

Anyway, I react massively to gluten that way, and suffered 15+

years of depression and anxiety. I cut out the gluten, then

the casein, and also " bad fats " (canola, corn, etc.) and switched

to coconut oil, olive oil, and grass fed beef. I haven't had

any depression to speak of for about 3 years now, and only

minor anxiety (at 3 in the morning when I can't sleep: a cortisol

thing, I think). The depression went away after about 2 weeks

on a GF diet, before I changed my fats etc. It came back two

months later, when I tested my theory with a piece of pizza:

it was a massive reaction and scared me enough that I

have not replicated the experiment!

Mineral insufficiency is also a problem with mental illness,

esp. zinc and the b vitamins, calcium and magnesium. The

person who has problems though, may not be able to

absorb the vitamins through their food properly (due to

gut damage from the high-gluten high-finely-ground-dry-starch

diet most Americans eat). You probably know that lithium

is often a needed mineral in manic-depressive persons.

For a basic diet, I think you can't go wrong with meat

and vegies and fruit, all in " whole " form. That is, whole

potatoes (baked, hash browns, etc.) not potato flour.

Do that for a few weeks, then if it helps, try adding

back some other stuff. The more Paleo the food, the

safer it is. Avoid colorants and preservatives and MSG,

which often affect people mentally. Soups are particularly

good during the healing phase, esp. with good broth.

Taking Pepto Bismol 3x a day for 8 days might help too:

it heals the gut and corrects dysbiosis, which is often

a core issue.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

,

I have the book, and I've been doing her program (with 's clinic)

for a couple of months. But can this program help someone who's

bipolar? It seems to me that wrote that her program doesn't do

much for severe mental illness like that. I'll ask her though.

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I want to ask your advice about my sister. She's 54 and has been

> > suffering from severe mental illness for several years. She became

> > manic, was manic for a while and then crashed into a severe

> > depression, and has been there ever since. I am thinking that

> > improving her diet might help her significantly. She does try to eat

> > at healthily as she can, given her circumstances, and is somewhat

> > knowledgeable in that area, but I don't think she quite knows what her

> > optimum diet is. I think it's likely she's eating foods that are not

> > good for her. I'm thinking some kind of metabolic typing paradigm

> > might help. I've been reading some old posts on the subject. One of

> > them said that the questionnaire in the Wolcott book seemed to end up

> > designating most people as mixed types, and made reference to an

> > Intermediate questionnaire. Can anyone help me get started with

> > this--either with regard to metabolic typing or making any suggestions

> > about determining one's optimum basic diet from scratch? Thanks.

> >

> > Rick,

> Buy The Mood Cure, by Ross--buy it fast.

> B.

[Guest guest]

> ,

>

> I have the book, and I've been doing her program (with 's clinic)

> for a couple of months. But can this program help someone who's

> bipolar? It seems to me that wrote that her program doesn't do

> much for severe mental illness like that. I'll ask her though.

>

Rick,

this is what you wrote and I to what I responded:

" I am thinking that

improving her diet might help her significantly. "

B.

/I'm glad you are familiar with the program already and it sounds like

it's helped you if you are the same guy I'm thinking of.

[Guest guest]

> ,

>

> I have the book, and I've been doing her program (with 's clinic)

> for a couple of months. But can this program help someone who's

> bipolar? It seems to me that wrote that her program doesn't do

> much for severe mental illness like that. I'll ask her though.

yes, Rick it can...i was on a very similar program a few years ago and

it helped me tremendously. i was diagnosed as manic depressive when i

was 19...i'm now 50. now they call it bipolar.

i haven't read her new book yet, the mood cure, but i have it from the

library.

i read her other book, the diet cure, as she had 2 chapters devoted to

brain chemistry.

it really does help...i highly recommend it.

do you think she will read the book?

laura

[Guest guest]

> > ,

> >

> > I have the book, and I've been doing her program (with 's clinic)

> > for a couple of months. But can this program help someone who's

> > bipolar? It seems to me that wrote that her program doesn't do

> > much for severe mental illness like that. I'll ask her though.

>

> yes, Rick it can...i was on a very similar program a few years ago and

> it helped me tremendously. i was diagnosed as manic depressive when i

> was 19...i'm now 50. now they call it bipolar.

>

> i haven't read her new book yet, the mood cure, but i have it from

the

> library.

>

> i read her other book, the diet cure, as she had 2 chapters devoted to

> brain chemistry.

>

> it really does help...i highly recommend it.

>

> do you think she will read the book?

>

> laura

Yes, I think she will if she thinks it might help. I'll give her the

books and show her your post. Thanks.

Rick

[Guest guest]

> > --- In , " Rick " <risrosen@y...>

wrote:

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I have the book, and I've been doing her program (with 's

clinic)

> > > for a couple of months. But can this program help someone who's

> > > bipolar? It seems to me that wrote that her program

doesn't do

> > > much for severe mental illness like that. I'll ask her though.

> >

> > yes, Rick it can...i was on a very similar program a few years

ago and

> > it helped me tremendously. i was diagnosed as manic depressive

when i

> > was 19...i'm now 50. now they call it bipolar.

> >

> > i haven't read her new book yet, the mood cure, but i have it

from

> the

> > library.

> >

> > i read her other book, the diet cure, as she had 2 chapters

devoted to

> > brain chemistry.

> >

> > it really does help...i highly recommend it.

> >

> > do you think she will read the book?

> >

> > laura

>

> Yes, I think she will if she thinks it might help. I'll give her

the

> books and show her your post. Thanks.

>

> Rick

Rick, if she wants someone to talk to, by phone or by email, please

let me know. i'd love to talk to her...or at the very least listen.

i don't know if i can help her at all...but maybe if i share my

experience with her it will give her hope, or at the very least some

support and encouragement.

laura

[Guest guest]

,

That's really wonderful of you. I'll let her know and give her your

email address. Thanks.

Rick

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > I have the book, and I've been doing her program (with 's

> clinic)

> > > > for a couple of months. But can this program help someone who's

> > > > bipolar? It seems to me that wrote that her program

> doesn't do

> > > > much for severe mental illness like that. I'll ask her though.

> > >

> > > yes, Rick it can...i was on a very similar program a few years

> ago and

> > > it helped me tremendously. i was diagnosed as manic depressive

> when i

> > > was 19...i'm now 50. now they call it bipolar.

> > >

> > > i haven't read her new book yet, the mood cure, but i have it

> from

> > the

> > > library.

> > >

> > > i read her other book, the diet cure, as she had 2 chapters

> devoted to

> > > brain chemistry.

> > >

> > > it really does help...i highly recommend it.

> > >

> > > do you think she will read the book?

> > >

> > > laura

> >

> > Yes, I think she will if she thinks it might help. I'll give her

> the

> > books and show her your post. Thanks.

> >

> > Rick

>

> Rick, if she wants someone to talk to, by phone or by email, please

> let me know. i'd love to talk to her...or at the very least listen.

> i don't know if i can help her at all...but maybe if i share my

> experience with her it will give her hope, or at the very least some

> support and encouragement.

>

> laura

[Guest guest]

> I think it's likely she's eating foods that are not

>> good for her. I'm thinking some kind of metabolic typing paradigm

>> might help. I've been reading some old posts on the subject. One of

>> them said that the questionnaire in the Wolcott book seemed to end up

>> designating most people as mixed types, and made reference to an

>> Intermediate questionnaire. Can anyone help me get started with

>> this--either with regard to metabolic typing or making any suggestions

>> about determining one's optimum basic diet from scratch? Thanks.

>>

Rick,

Besides food allergen testing the metabolic typing book that would give you

the most accuracy for where your sister's diet should be is the book

Biobalance by Rudolph Wiley. His two most acidic (protein) and alkaline

(carb) patients were institutionalized and released after. There's a section

using the diets and a food mood diary to determine blood plasma ph without

the lab testing beginning with assuming you're alkaline with candida.

There's supplement lists by type too.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

>If she were to remove casein and gluten from her diet, how long would

>it take to determine whether or not it's going to help? Is there an

>immediate improvement, if an allergy is present?

When I did it, I felt like I got kicked by a horse for about a week,

which was what convinced me that for me, gluten is a

psychoactive drug (I mean, I can do without apples for

a week and I get no symptoms!). Then my head cleared and

I felt far better than I had for years.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

If there is immediate improvement I would certainly consider that it is

some kind of sensitivity. As for how long before you should see

improvement. I can't really say. I had a doctor take me off of gluten and

casein years ago and it didn't help at all.

Irene

At 10:19 AM 7/13/05, you wrote:

>If she were to remove casein and gluten from her diet, how long would

>it take to determine whether or not it's going to help? Is there an

>immediate improvement, if an allergy is present?

[Guest guest]

Rick,

>If she were to remove casein and gluten from her diet, how long would

>it take to determine whether or not it's going to help? Is there an

>immediate improvement, if an allergy is present?

>

I can't say for all, but I removed all gluten and casein from my

autistic son's diet well over five years ago. Within three days he

improved dramatically and has been gluten and casein free ever since.

It's important to get all sources out of the diet, as gluten is in many

many processed foods. If she is going to remove gluten, then all

sources need to be removed. Things like maltodextrin and (unsourced)

modified food starch being a couple of examples off the top of my cob

webbed head. Also, she might feel worse at first before she gets

better. Any reaction, good or bad, to the GF CF diet would merit

further investigation, imho.

Deanna