Re: Re: Lo Han sweetener??

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Jafa-

> Has anyone heard of Lo Han sweetener? It's in a

>green product I saw. Says it doesn't raise insulin.

I'd avoid it if you value your intestines.

Active Ingredients: Xylitol and Lo Han Kuo (Momordica grosvenorii),

MogroPure (M. grosvenori, Lo Han Extract). Inactive Ingredients: Inulin-FOS

(FructoOligroSaccharide) and silicon dioxide.

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[Guest guest]

Idol wrote:

>Jafa-

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>> Has anyone heard of Lo Han sweetener? It's in a

>>green product I saw. Says it doesn't raise insulin.

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>I'd avoid it if you value your intestines.

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>Active Ingredients: Xylitol and Lo Han Kuo (Momordica grosvenorii),

>MogroPure (M. grosvenori, Lo Han Extract). Inactive Ingredients: Inulin-FOS

>(FructoOligroSaccharide) and silicon dioxide.

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Is it the processing that is objectionable or the xylitol or the lovely

FOS that they toss in for good measure? I've evaluating my sweeteners

right now, so input is helpful.

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--- Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Jafa-

>

> > Has anyone heard of Lo Han sweetener? It's in a

> >green product I saw. Says it doesn't raise

> insulin.

>

> I'd avoid it if you value your intestines.

>

> Active Ingredients: Xylitol and Lo Han Kuo

> (Momordica grosvenorii),

> MogroPure (M. grosvenori, Lo Han Extract). Inactive

> Ingredients: Inulin-FOS

> (FructoOligroSaccharide) and silicon dioxide.

>

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I've actually read that xylitol might have some

benefits for the body, including digestion. Are you

mainly concerned about the Inulin-FOS or all of the

extra ingredients?

jafa

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Suzanne-

>Is it the processing that is objectionable or the xylitol or the lovely

>FOS that they toss in for good measure? I've evaluating my sweeteners

>right now, so input is helpful.

The xylitol and the FOS are very bad for the gut. I have no idea whether

the Lo Han stuff itself is objectionable, but if it's not, this is typical

of manufacturers: take something which might be benign and ruin it. Some

people also think silicon dioxide is a physical irritant, but I don't know

whether that's true.

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[Guest guest]

Idol wrote:

>Suzanne-

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>>Is it the processing that is objectionable or the xylitol or the lovely

>>FOS that they toss in for good measure? I've evaluating my sweeteners

>>right now, so input is helpful.

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>The xylitol and the FOS are very bad for the gut.

>

Well, I'm in agreement with you on FOS and I limit xylitol exposure to

toothbrushing--oh, and for the corn-sensitive folk out there, the

cheaper xylitol that has come on the market is no longer from birch

trees, but now from corn cobs. Gee, thanks!

>I have no idea whether

>the Lo Han stuff itself is objectionable, but if it's not, this is typical

>of manufacturers: take something which might be benign and ruin it.

>

<nodding> Ain't that the truth!

If someone is looking for a low-glycemic sweetener, agave nectar is a

nice choice. Sweet Cactus Farms puts out some organic nectar and

nothing is added. Vegetable glycerin also works as a sweetener.

And if you point out the non-NN status of these sweeteners, I have my

fingers planted firmly in my ears and, lalalalalalalala, I can't hear

you. <BEG>

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[Guest guest]

Jafa-

>I've actually read that xylitol might have some

>benefits for the body, including digestion. Are you

>mainly concerned about the Inulin-FOS or all of the

>extra ingredients?

Xylitol may be beneficial in the mouth, but definitely not in the digestive

tract. It carries warnings of gas and diarrhea. The Inulin-FOS is also

terrible.

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Suzanne-

>If someone is looking for a low-glycemic sweetener, agave nectar is a

>nice choice. Sweet Cactus Farms puts out some organic nectar and

>nothing is added. Vegetable glycerin also works as a sweetener.

>

>And if you point out the non-NN status of these sweeteners, I have my

>fingers planted firmly in my ears and, lalalalalalalala, I can't hear

>you. <BEG>

I'm afraid all of those have serious drawbacks. Agave nectar is basically

pure fructose. Here's one of many pages about the dangers of fructose on

Mercola's site.

http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/5/fructose.htm

Vegetable glycerine does work fairly nicely as a sweetener, but it's 5g of

sugar per teaspoon, or 15g per tablespoon. It does seem to be sweeter than

table sugar on a per-gram basis and it does wonderful things for texture,

but the liver reassembles it into sugar -- and thus regular use of

glycerine is also a burden on the liver. Nowadays I limit glycerine to an

extremely occasional treat (relatively low-carb ice cream, for example).

If you can find a tasty stevia extract with no undesirable additives, that

might be OK, and pure saccharine seems pretty benign, as the case against

it was trumped up by competing companies, though it becomes bitter if

heated or used in high concentrations.

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[Guest guest]

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>Xylitol may be beneficial in the mouth, but definitely not in the digestive

tract. It carries warnings of gas and diarrhea.

>

A quick search of my local chapters (DFW) group where xylitol has come

up does indeed show folks getting gastrointestinal distress from it.

Also, from the illustrious Dallas chapter leader of days past comes:

" [Wise Traditions] Winter 2003, Vol 4, No. 4., titled " Sugar Free

Blues. Both Splenda and Xylitol fall into this category. There's also

another article on the Dangers of Fructose.

" Bottom line, WAPF doesn't really recommend any artificial sweeteners. "

Suzanne, I use stevia in teensy amounts for coffee or tea. We have, as

a family, really learned to go without sweets, much to my husband's

chagrin <g>. Anyhoo, SCD authorities say stevia - a sweetener groovy

with WAPF - is too similar molecularly to a steroid. FYI as you muse

sweeteners.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/stevia.htm

Deanna

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On 9/8/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Jafa-

>

> >I've actually read that xylitol might have some

> >benefits for the body, including digestion. Are you

> >mainly concerned about the Inulin-FOS or all of the

> >extra ingredients?

>

> Xylitol may be beneficial in the mouth, but definitely not in the digestive

> tract. It carries warnings of gas and diarrhea.

As anyone with any experience with those junk low carb bars will

verify in a heartbeat, LOL!

[Guest guest]

Deanna-

>Anyhoo, SCD authorities say stevia - a sweetener groovy

>with WAPF - is too similar molecularly to a steroid. FYI as you muse

>sweeteners.

>

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/stevia.htm

Yup. That's why it's not SCD-legal. It's not that there are known bad

effects, just that it likely has effects and we have no idea what they

are. That's why saccharine is the only SCD-legal artificial

sweetener. (The only pure saccharine I know of, for those who are

interested, is Hermesetas.)

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[Guest guest]

> That's why saccharine is the only SCD-legal artificial

> sweetener. (The only pure saccharine I know of, for those who are

> interested, is Hermesetas.)

I'm not trying to start any crap here but I have to laugh when I hear

saccharine mentioned as a legal food. I have very clear memories of sitting

around the kitchen table at my grandparents house in the mid-1970's hearing

my mom drone on and on about how saccharine was poisonous and the study data

showed that it caused cancer in rats, etc, etc. My grandfather was diabetic

and used it periodically.

Ron

[Guest guest]

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> Xylitol may be beneficial in the mouth, but

> definitely not in the digestive

> tract. It carries warnings of gas and diarrhea.

> The Inulin-FOS is also

> terrible.

>

>

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Actually, what I read in a Health Magazine was that

people with constipation would be helped by xylitol,

as it has laxative type effects. Pretty crazy, huh!

jafa

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Jafa-

>Actually, what I read in a Health Magazine was that

>people with constipation would be helped by xylitol,

>as it has laxative type effects. Pretty crazy, huh!

Yeah! Feeding a weed overgrowth is the last thing you should do for

constipation! You're just exchanging one problem for another.

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[Guest guest]

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> (The only pure saccharine I know of, for

> those who are

> interested, is Hermesetas.)

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Does this have to be ordered on line or do you know

what stores carry it?

jafa

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Jafa-

>Does this have to be ordered on line or do you know

>what stores carry it?

Unless you live in or near NYC, I'm afraid you're SOL if you want to buy it

in a brick-and-mortar store. Cambridge Chemists, a pharmacy in midtown

Manhattan, is the distributor, but unless things have changed, they only

sell it in their store and online.

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Ron-

>I'm not trying to start any crap here but I have to laugh when I hear

>saccharine mentioned as a legal food. I have very clear memories of sitting

>around the kitchen table at my grandparents house in the mid-1970's hearing

>my mom drone on and on about how saccharine was poisonous and the study data

>showed that it caused cancer in rats, etc, etc. My grandfather was diabetic

>and used it periodically.

The irony is that they had to practically drown the rats in saccharine to

give them cancer. As far as I can tell, it's pretty benign, particularly

compared to all other artificial sweeteners (Monsanto actually engineered

the discrediting of saccharine in order to sell aspartame for much more

money) and since stevia is a big unknown, I'm sticking with saccharine.

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