Re: coconut milk & carbs (Was Replacement for coffee)

[Guest guest]

[] Aur contraire, my good man, while coconut milk tastes sweet, it

has no carbohydrate

[] I'm afraid I've got to disagree with you there. Coconut milk

most definitely does have carbohydrate, WFN's labeling

notwithstanding. (They're going to get in trouble for that sooner or

later if they don't change it.)

[Wren] I'm not a scientist nor do I need to look at the labels for this

one. I agree 100% . Coconut milk has lots of carbs! I can

tell almost the moment I swallow it. If I had a glass of coconut

milk as a snck mid morning and nothing else, you guys would be

calling 911 for me.

If that's the way you're going to go, then I would say have

something with it - protein preferrably.

Why not have a kefir smoothie with some VCO (virgin coconut oil) in

it?? That would be so much better for you and give you the pick me

up too.

[MAP] According to the USDA data (usda.shim.net) for coconut

milk--which is a processed mix of water and coconut meat, and hence

trivially must contain carbs!--the breakdown is roughly 6% carbs, 4%

protein, and 90% fat. That's a remarkably low carb percentage, but

it's still there for sure, and I'm sure there is a little bit of

variation depending on the age of the coconut and the method of making

coconut milk.

If a 6% carb breakfast is carby enough to give you a serious problem,

I'd say you represent the very extreme end of the sugar-metabolism

bell curve like . In fact, using the USDA data for 3.25% cow milk,

the macronutritional breakdown is 30% carb, 21% protein, and 49% fat.

Even if we assume that about half the carbs are eliminated in kefir,

which is probably a significant overestimation as has pointed out

many times in the past, especially since lactic acid is a carb, kefir

still comes out with a carb percentage of about 15%, much higher than

coconut milk!

Of course, it's for this very reason that doesn't consume kefir

unless it's made from cream, but in Wren's case, I think the numbers

dispute her viewpoint. In fact, to reduce the carb percentage to as

low as the 6% of coconut milk by adding coconut oil to kefir, you'd

have to add about 2 tablespoons of coconut to 1 cup of kefir, and

that's assuming kefir is only 15% carbs. In reality, it's likely that

you'd have to add more like 4 tablespoons of coconut oil to one cup of

kefir to actually give a significantly lower carb percentage than

plain coconut milk, but in either case we're talking ultra-low

percentages that amount to practically zero for at least 99.999% of

the human race.

My main point here is that Wren's phrase " so much better for you " is

not accurate by any stretch, and possibly only has a kernel of truth

for an extremely tiny demographic of people. I think that my practice

of eating fresh young coconuts as a whole food, including in the form

of coconut milk sometimes, regardless of their carb content, is

probably much healthier than the best VCO one can buy, just on the

basis of freshness, not even considering any esoteric nutritional

benefits that we might identify in the non-lipid fraction of coconuts.

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay

[Guest guest]

I think that my practice

> of eating fresh young coconuts as a whole food, including in the form

> of coconut milk sometimes, regardless of their carb content, is

> probably much healthier than the best VCO one can buy, just on the

> basis of freshness, not even considering any esoteric nutritional

> benefits that we might identify in the non-lipid fraction of coconuts.

>

> Mike,

Did you not get the memo that they're, like, three or four weeks old

at the time of purchase and heavily sprayed with fungicides? Welcome

back, you've been missed.

B.

[Guest guest]

Mike-

>According to the USDA data (usda.shim.net) for coconut

>milk--which is a processed mix of water and coconut meat, and hence

>trivially must contain carbs!--

13g of carbs in a cup of coconut milk is a significant amount of carbs for

ANYONE who has to watch carbs.

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[Guest guest]

Mike-

>I think that my practice

>of eating fresh young coconuts as a whole food, including in the form

>of coconut milk sometimes, regardless of their carb content, is

>probably much healthier than the best VCO one can buy, just on the

>basis of freshness, not even considering any esoteric nutritional

>benefits that we might identify in the non-lipid fraction of coconuts.

That strikes me as a religious sort of assumption. VCO appears to have

many benefits. The rest of the coconut may be healthy, but certainly there

aren't any profound documented benefits like there are from CO.

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[Guest guest]

[] 13g of carbs in a cup of coconut milk is a significant amount

of carbs for

ANYONE who has to watch carbs.

[MAP] We must be looking at different data, because the USDA shows 6g

of carbs for one cup of coconut milk. A lot of this will depend on

the water content of the coconut milk and so on, but this is a large

discrepancy in data. It seems to me that the percentages are most

meaningful than absolute quantity in this case, because, for example,

the 6g of carbs from the one cup of coconut milk as per the USDA gives

you 445 calories and 48g of fat!! That's a whopping portion of one

food! Any way you slice it 6% carbs is awfully low!

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay