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Suze-

>I'm curious if anyone who's had trouble digesting polysaccharides has tried

>taking digestive enzymes specifically for those types of carbs and had

>success? I mean, there seem to be sooooo many different enzyme products on

>the market for digesting all kinds of carbohydrates. IF they work, there

>would really be no point in following the SCD, right?

Wrong. Enzymes don't act instantaneously. Quite the contrary, in

fact. If you take enzymes with a meal that can feed undesirable organisms

or allow an overgrowth of otherwise desirable ones, said organisms will

have plenty of time to feed and overgrow. This is why drinking milk with

some lactaid pills isn't SCD-legal but yoghurt fermented for 24 hours, to

fully break down all disaccharides, is.

Furthermore, the main flaw of the SCD as usually presented is that it

doesn't counsel any kind of carb restriction. Even legal carbs, if

consumed to excess, can support dysbiosis, and virtually without exception,

the people I've seen having real trouble with the SCD are those who eat too

much honey and too many other legal carbs. Some people can indulge in what

I'd consider too many carbs if they just wait long enough before

introducing them, but others prevent themselves from making ever making

real progress in the first place.

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Suze-

I said that the main flaw of the SCD as usually presented is that it

doesn't counsel any kind of carb restriction, but I should probably add one

other problem: in the interests of making the diet easy to follow and

keeping things as simple and accessible as possible, Elaine decided to

mostly refrain from discussing food quality, sourcing, supplementation,

macronutrient ratios, etc. That's why the substantive part of the book

ends on page 81, though there are some addenda after the recipe section,

which runs through page 162.

The justification for this is very reasonable -- you might be amazed at how

many people coming to the diet for the first time don't have the faintest

clue as to how to perform even the most basic of kitchen tasks. That show

" How to Boil Water " sounds like it would be just their speed, though I've

never actually seen it myself. This is why Lucy Rosset's SCD cookbook even

breaks down making eggs into detailed steps. And certainly, people

switching from the SAD to the SCD will experience enormous improvements in

health and nutrition. However, I do think that a second book for more

advanced followers of the diet would've been advised, unless maybe the mere

existence of an " advanced " program would put too many people off of

starting the " basic " program. That's a marketing type of question I'm not

confident about answering.

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>>I'm curious if anyone who's had trouble digesting polysaccharides

>has tried

>>taking digestive enzymes specifically for those types of carbs and had

>>success? I mean, there seem to be sooooo many different enzyme products on

>>the market for digesting all kinds of carbohydrates. IF they work, there

>>would really be no point in following the SCD, right?

>

>Wrong. Enzymes don't act instantaneously.

Then why do you and many of us take pepsin and pancreatin *with* our meals?

I thought the point was to aid in the digestion of the food we're eating at

that time. Otherwise, why take them with our meals?

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>Furthermore, the main flaw of the SCD as usually presented is that it

>doesn't counsel any kind of carb restriction. Even legal carbs, if

>consumed to excess, can support dysbiosis, and virtually without

>exception,

>the people I've seen having real trouble with the SCD are those

>who eat too

>much honey and too many other legal carbs.

I take it by inference then that the SCD *does* counsel carb restriction?

It's been about 3 years since I read it, so I don't recall some of these

points.

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Suze-

>Then why do you and many of us take pepsin and pancreatin *with* our meals?

>I thought the point was to aid in the digestion of the food we're eating at

>that time. Otherwise, why take them with our meals?

Yes, but there's no need in this case for the enzymes to act instantly. In

the normal course of events, food hangs around in the stomach for 2-4 hours

and then passes through the intestines over time. When the gut is healthy

and foods are good, there's no danger of overgrowth. But carb-digesting

enzymes aren't going to magically work in an instant and also prevent

organisms from consuming the products of their action.

>I take it by inference then that the SCD *does* counsel carb restriction?

>It's been about 3 years since I read it, so I don't recall some of these

>points.

It implies it a few times, but as I said, " the main flaw of the SCD as

usually presented is that it doesn't counsel any kind of carb restriction. "

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>Furthermore, the main flaw of the SCD as usually presented is that it

>doesn't counsel any kind of carb restriction. Even legal carbs, if

>consumed to excess, can support dysbiosis, and virtually without exception,

>the people I've seen having real trouble with the SCD are those who eat too

>much honey and too many other legal carbs. Some people can indulge in what

>I'd consider too many carbs if they just wait long enough before

>introducing them, but others prevent themselves from making ever making

>real progress in the first place.

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, can you give me an idea of what your ideal beginning on SCD would

look like? Especially how few carbs and for how long? I'm talking

without dairy, btw. We're 4 weeks on SCD and we're following the

pecanbread stages for reintroducing foods

(www.pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#beyond - scroll down slightly to see

the chart). We're starting to do some foods from stage 3, although we

still haven't had all the foods from stages 1 and 2 (we have had most of

them, just not the fruits so much). I tried some of the nut flour baked

goods and most didn't sit well with us (we went out of town and I had to

make some kind of food to take with us - that's another long, miserable

story).

So, basically right now we're eating bananas, applesauce, carrots,

winter and summer squash, tomato sauce, bell peppers, green beans - and

meat, eggs, sauerkraut, fat and broths of course. I'm trying to do at

least some carbs at each meal because I'm feeding kids and also my DH

was losing way too much weight and got scared.

Thanks!

Steph

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Steph-

>, can you give me an idea of what your ideal beginning on SCD would

>look like? Especially how few carbs and for how long? I'm talking

>without dairy, btw.

So you're doing a dairy-free, yoghurt-free SCD? I'd really just follow the

book, except for two things. First, make sauerkraut or kimchee since

you're not using dairy, but at least for awhile, just drink the

liquid. And second, don't go nuts with the carbs. Sugary desserts, honey

and fruit should be kept to a minimum. I'm not going to recommend an

actual number of grams of carbs because thresholds and tolerances vary

somewhat from person to person.

> We're 4 weeks on SCD and we're following the

>pecanbread stages for reintroducing foods

>(www.pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#beyond - scroll down slightly to see

>the chart). We're starting to do some foods from stage 3, although we

>still haven't had all the foods from stages 1 and 2 (we have had most of

>them, just not the fruits so much).

Not all the foods in a given stage, whether PecanBread's variation or the

original SCD version, will be tolerated by everyone. To some degree,

healing is an individual process. And you may find that you never really

tolerate some foods -- nuts, for example, though processing them according

to the directions in NT might make a big difference in that department.

> I tried some of the nut flour baked

>goods and most didn't sit well with us (we went out of town and I had to

>make some kind of food to take with us - that's another long, miserable

>story).

One problem with the SCD is that the nut flour is inevitably not from

soaked nuts. I wish someone would start selling almond flour from soaked

nuts, but until such a time (which might not last, since the flour would be

quite pricey, I'm sure) your only real option is to either soak and dry and

then grind the nuts yourself, or buy super-expensive soaked nuts such as

the ones WFN sells (and given their history, I'd be leery of trusting that

their nuts really were soaked) and then grind them.

That said, you STILL might not do well on almond flour baked goods. I

tolerate them digestively just fine, but the carb content is unfortunately

too high for me.

>So, basically right now we're eating bananas, applesauce, carrots,

>winter and summer squash, tomato sauce, bell peppers, green beans - and

>meat, eggs, sauerkraut, fat and broths of course.

How much meat? Without dairy, you really need to pay particular attention

to getting enough fat from fatty cuts of meat, lard, sausage, etc.

> I'm trying to do at

>least some carbs at each meal because I'm feeding kids and also my DH

>was losing way too much weight and got scared.

What do you mean by too much?

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