Re: some more Masson (on exercise) (c/o Deanna)

[Guest guest]

Hi Deanna:

I thought that, among all members, you would be the first one to

react to this post below. Actually, nobody did. That's all right.

Maybe you hadn't the time to read it. Maybe you found it

uninteresting or off-topic. No news. Or maybe you agreed with it and

saw no need to respond.

I hope you don't take this one post as a threatening reminder, as

when a firm asks a delinquent customer to pay its past due debt. But

maybe there is something of that in it, too, without a threat, of

course. Sorry.

Incorrigibly yours,

José

> Well, I guess this will be enough for to-day. Deanna and I have

> talked about this, some time ago.

>

> << Correct nutrition, emotional balance and adequate sleep don't

> suffice to keep you in good health if an essential factor is

lacking

> in your life: exercise

>

> For a child and a teenager, exercise leads to health. For an aging

> adult, exercise leads not only to health, but also to longevity. It

> has been said with good reason: " The need for and the benefits of

> exercise increase with your age. "

>

> However, like all other factors in life, exercise must be tailored

> for each individual, and it's worth while to remember that [hard]

> exercise just after rising can be harmful, in opposition to current

> wisdom.

>

> When you rise in the morning, you surely can benefit from

stretching

> and limbering up, but intense exercise, with or without weights,

and

> sport can be particularly unfavourable at that time.

>

> As a matter of fact, at that early moment the body awakens, the

heart

> beats more slowly, the blood pressure is lower, the neuro-

endocrinal

> mechanisms are somewhere between wakefulness and sleep, muscles,

> tendons, ligaments and bones are somewhat stiff, the blood

circulates

> at a slower pace. This state contraindicates starting any intense

> (intensive) or violent (strenuous) activity, which can in turn

shock

> and traumatize the organism.

>

> It is much better to do exercises intensively between 5 P.M. and 7

> P.M. During this period, well-advanced digestions no longer

> monopolizes nerve and blood flow, blood circulation is at its best,

> blood pressure is at its normal level, joints have been " worked on "

> in the daytime, the organism is well-heated in terms of its

> muscularity, and its oxydation possibilities are optimal. Also, the

> locomotive apparatus is capable of responding to a more intensive

> prompting.

>

> In conclusion, if it is possible, you will always choose to do

> physical exercise in the evening. However, if your job or lifestyle

> make this choice impossible, you will do your exercises in the

> morning, because better in the morning than at no other time at

all.

> In this case, intensive body exercise will be preceded by very

> gradual limbering-up and warming-up practices.

> (R.M.)>>

>

> José

[Guest guest]

José ,

>

>I thought that, among all members, you would be the first one to

>react to this post below. Actually, nobody did. That's all right.

>

>Maybe you hadn't the time to read it. Maybe you found it

>uninteresting or off-topic. No news. Or maybe you agreed with it and

>saw no need to respond.

>

I did read the piece and found disagreement with most of it. Limiting

physical exertion to two hours in the evening is as ludicrous as

limiting consumption of food to between 5-7 pm for every person on the

planet. Some may do well with it, some may not. Millions of endurance

athletes who run in the mornings can't all be wrong. If I were to

follow his advice, I would risk heat stroke running in 98 degrees with

60+ % humidity during what is now my dinner time! If Masson has ever

run a race, he would know they are held in the mornings. Furthermore,

the recommendation of stretching cold muscles first thing upon waking is

a bad idea generally as muscles need to be warm to stretch. Otherwise

the stretch reflex will occur - tendons, not muscles are forced to

lengthen, resulting in possible injury to them. It has always been the

recommendation to warm up to a sweat before stretching. Stretching is

easier at night and helps to wind down from the day. So I find the

fitness tips all washed up. It goes against the spirit of diversity and

seems to be the case of preaching personal preference as if it were

well-researched gospel for all.

To your good health!

Deanna

[Guest guest]

> José ,

>

> >

> >I thought that, among all members, you would be the first one to

> >react to this post below. Actually, nobody did. That's all right.

> >

> >Maybe you hadn't the time to read it. Maybe you found it

> >uninteresting or off-topic. No news. Or maybe you agreed with it

and

> >saw no need to respond.

> >

> I did read the piece and found disagreement with most of it.

Limiting

> physical exertion to two hours in the evening is as ludicrous as

> limiting consumption of food to between 5-7 pm for every person on

the

> planet.

** Deanna. Of course, but the compararison doesn't hold water. I

don't think many people on earth have 12 hours a day available for

physical exercise. I suppose that many of them are still working six

to eight hours a day somewhere and have a lot of other things to do

to ensure their living. Unless you are a professional athlete or a

personal trainer, you don't live for exercise, do you? Well, this is

what I see in my country, but maybe it is different for other places.

>>Some may do well with it, some may not.

** That is the point. I don't think Masson was trying to write the

ultimate Bible for physical exercise. It was just a tip and useful as

far as I can see.

Millions of endurance

> athletes who run in the mornings can't all be wrong. If I were to

> follow his advice, I would risk heat stroke running in 98 degrees

with

> 60+ % humidity during what is now my dinner time!

If Masson has ever

> run a race, he would know they are held in the mornings.

** Yes, but many other lengthier competitions are held usually in the

afternoon or early evening. I think even marathons are, but I may be

wrong. I understand the temperature issue, however. I also live in a

warm country, so exercise in the usually cooler mornings feels much

better. Maybe in France it is never really hot. I don't know what to

say about this problem. Maybe it is a question of trying to do the

running in the shade or having dinner a little later in the evening.

But if it is all right for you to do in the morning, please go ahead.

He didn't really say you can't do that. Personally, I can't lift

weights in the morning, but in the evening it is ok for me.

Furthermore,

> the recommendation of stretching cold muscles first thing upon

waking is

> a bad idea generally as muscles need to be warm to stretch.

Otherwise

> the stretch reflex will occur - tendons, not muscles are forced to

> lengthen, resulting in possible injury to them. It has always been

the

> recommendation to warm up to a sweat before stretching. Stretching

is

> easier at night and helps to wind down from the day.

** Maybe I made a mistake in my translation? Anyway, you know better

than I, so I won't contradict your technical assertions.

>> So I find the

> fitness tips all washed up. It goes against the spirit of

diversity and

> seems to be the case of preaching personal preference as if it were

> well-researched gospel for all.

** Oh, this really amazes me, Deanna. If you found it all washed up,

why didn't you speak up earlier? I thought that man was in the know,

but now you seem to want to show me that he may be wrong after all.

> To your good health!

> Deanna

** Yours, too, Deanna.

José

PS. Somehow I sense that I have irked you. I am sorry. I didn't want

to make you lose your face, just bring in a different point of view

to you and to the group. Ironically, somehow I have been made lose my

face, but that is all right. I won't bring this subject up again.

>

>

[Guest guest]

José ,

> Limiting

>

>>physical exertion to two hours in the evening is as ludicrous as

>>limiting consumption of food to between 5-7 pm for every person on

>>

>>

>the

>

>

>>planet.

>>

>>

>

>** Deanna. Of course, but the compararison doesn't hold water. I

>don't think many people on earth have 12 hours a day available for

>physical exercise. I suppose that many of them are still working six

>to eight hours a day somewhere and have a lot of other things to do

>to ensure their living. Unless you are a professional athlete or a

>personal trainer, you don't live for exercise, do you? Well, this is

>what I see in my country, but maybe it is different for other places.

>

>

If I take more food in the morning and feel better, then fine. If not,

then I eat more in evening. That is what I meant - specifying a two

hour window is pointless. Same with exercise. For me personally, I run

after one hour after waking on an empty stomach (except coffee and

milk). I do better with night time eating. My energy is best in

morning, so I honor that.

>** That is the point. I don't think Masson was trying to write the

>ultimate Bible for physical exercise. It was just a tip and useful as

>far as I can see.

>

>

How is it useful? What is the reasoning behind this recommendation for

all to try to exercise in the evening? Oh, I think I know now. Is Dr.

Masson the French naturopath who had heart disease at an early age? If

so, his recommendations *might* be well suited for cardiac patients.

But for healthy well-conditioned people, I see no point in it. Yes, for

France with longer days, eating late it may be better suited, but

cultural influence should hold no sway in such a recommendation.

>** Yes, but many other lengthier competitions are held usually in the

>afternoon or early evening. I think even marathons are, but I may be

>wrong. I understand the temperature issue, however. I also live in a

>warm country, so exercise in the usually cooler mornings feels much

>better. Maybe in France it is never really hot. I don't know what to

>say about this problem. Maybe it is a question of trying to do the

>running in the shade or having dinner a little later in the evening.

>But if it is all right for you to do in the morning, please go ahead.

>He didn't really say you can't do that. Personally, I can't lift

>weights in the morning, but in the evening it is ok for me.

>

>

I like weights in evening better as well. Yoga too. Marathons in US

usually begin at 8 am. However, there are ultra marathons, but I am not

so inclined to that. I used to work with Pam at a health club

years ago. She runs 100 miles without rest. This takes 24 hours give

or take. Heck, she has now run over 300 miles without stopping at one

shot. So there are exceptions.

>** Oh, this really amazes me, Deanna. If you found it all washed up,

>why didn't you speak up earlier? I thought that man was in the know,

>but now you seem to want to show me that he may be wrong after all.

>

>

Is he a fitness buff? It seems to me that nutrition is his forte.

Regardless, I can see no reason not to exercise in the mornings. I have

gone to teach a fitness class after 15 minutes wake up because I

overslept. Perhaps this is not so good. But I see no point in saving

it to evening, or even that this is better. People have different needs

and rhythms.

>PS. Somehow I sense that I have irked you. I am sorry. I didn't want

>to make you lose your face, just bring in a different point of view

>to you and to the group. Ironically, somehow I have been made lose my

>face, but that is all right. I won't bring this subject up again.

>

>

Well, I guess I felt put upon to reply to this since you reposted it to

me, but I am not irked. I certainly could have ignored it again.

Fitness is one arena where I have ample experience with my own body as

well as others'. In support of Masson, he did say it was better to

exercise in the morning than not at all, but evenings are best. I agree

with the first part, for the second, whenever a person feels best at a

given fitness pursuit is the best time for them to perform it.

Deanna

PS. One of my dearest friends is 80 this year. She does exercise at 7

am everyday and drinks only wine and coffee - no water. She's my hero!

[Guest guest]

> José ,

> If I take more food in the morning and feel better, then fine. If

not,

> then I eat more in evening. That is what I meant - specifying a

two

> hour window is pointless. Same with exercise. For me personally,

I run

> after one hour after waking on an empty stomach (except coffee and

> milk). I do better with night time eating. My energy is best in

> morning, so I honor that.

RIGHT, DEANNA.

> >** That is the point. I don't think Masson was trying to write the

> >ultimate Bible for physical exercise. It was just a tip and useful

as

> >far as I can see.

> >

> >

> How is it useful?

WELL FOR ME IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. NOT FOR YOU.

What is the reasoning behind this recommendation for

> all to try to exercise in the evening?

YES, I GUESS SO.

Oh, I think I know now. Is Dr.

> Masson the French naturopath who had heart disease at an early age?

YES, THAT IS HIM.

If

> so, his recommendations *might* be well suited for cardiac

patients.

> But for healthy well-conditioned people, I see no point in it.

I UNDERSTAND.

Yes, for

> France with longer days, eating late it may be better suited, but

> cultural influence should hold no sway in such a recommendation.

YES, I SEE IN AMERICA YOU AS A RULE HAVE DINNER BETWEEN 5 AND 7 PM.

FORGET ABOUT HIM, THEN.

> Is he a fitness buff? It seems to me that nutrition is his forte.

HE ALSO VENTURES TO WRITE ABOUT EXERCISES, HERBS, FASTING AND

SLEEPING. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT - HE SEEMS BEST WITH NUTRITION.

> Regardless, I can see no reason not to exercise in the mornings. I

have

> gone to teach a fitness class after 15 minutes wake up because I

> overslept. Perhaps this is not so good. But I see no point in

saving

> it to evening, or even that this is better. People have different

needs

> and rhythms.

OF COURSE.

> >PS. Somehow I sense that I have irked you. I am sorry. I didn't

want

> >to make you lose your face, just bring in a different point of

view

> >to you and to the group. Ironically, somehow I have been made lose

my

> >face, but that is all right. I won't bring this subject up again.

WELL I AM EATING MY WORDS AND BRINGING IT UP AGAIN. BUT SOON I WILL

LEAVE YOU.

> Well, I guess I felt put upon to reply to this since you reposted

it to

> me, but I am not irked. I certainly could have ignored it again.

I AM TO BLAME FOR THAT. I MADE YOU DO SOMETHING YOU WEREN'T INCLINED

TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

> Fitness is one arena where I have ample experience with my own body

as

> well as others'. In support of Masson, he did say it was better to

> exercise in the morning than not at all, but evenings are best. I

agree

> with the first part, for the second, whenever a person feels best

at a

> given fitness pursuit is the best time for them to perform it.

>

SO, NOT EVERYTHING IS WASTED.

>

> Deanna

>

> PS. One of my dearest friends is 80 this year. She does exercise

at 7

> am everyday and drinks only wine and coffee - no water. She's my

hero!

>

I THOUGHT THE RIGHT TERM WAS HEROINE. AS ALWAYS, I KEEP ON LEARNING

EVEN SMALL THINGS WITH ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU.

>

José

>

>

[Guest guest]

>I THOUGHT THE RIGHT TERM WAS HEROINE. AS ALWAYS, I KEEP ON LEARNING

>EVEN SMALL THINGS WITH ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU.

>

>

>José

>

Hi JC,

You are quite correct here with the term. I am a math person and enjoy

that language the most, so I tend to get a little sloppy with grammar at

times. Good catch and it sounds better too!

When do you eat dinner? I understand the times may be different

culturally and individually.

I tend to go seasonal with waking, exercise and eating. When it is

summer, as it is officially beginning today, we tend to get up and

outside for fresh air and exercise (as a family) before 6 am. Any

garden work and such we perform early. By midday the heat rather pulls

on me and so I pursue reading, writing and more gentle matters of mind

and spirit. Evening I cook and enjoy the main meal of my day. Sleep

comes 9 or 10 pm, especially as I acclimate to running more. By

contrast, in winter I get up later, may exercise midday sometimes or

walk in evenings only. Yoga is more prevalent in the exercise

department as is strength training with weights. Nutrition also tends

towards seasons,more raw foods and fruit in summer, more comforting

cooked foods in winter.

Please do not feel bad ... just remember we are Taurus and Leo,

ROOOAAARRR! ;-) And also I can not help but note we are in the

different hemispheres with respect to the sun, which has waned for you

and is high overhead for me. Certainly an energy difference exists that

perhaps puts us at odds of a sort, whereas in autumn/spring it will be

more equally distributed, physically and otherwise. How will we

correspond in 6 months when I am in darkness relative to you?

I do not mind this discussion and should have written a reply

originally. As you state, it is rather up my alley, so to speak. I

enjoy learning as well. We certainly can continue the exchange about

exercise if you feel the desire. I do feel it may be more important

than diet in some cases for health. And now I am very curious about

your exercise habits. You do some weights, but do you walk, run, play

sports?

Namasté,

Deanna