Re: Urgent baby care help needed !

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>Deanna:

>I'm very sad to hear that! What I've heard about SIDS is that cosleeping

>(and breastfeeding) *reduces* the incidence of it, so it is surprising

>to me what you were told.

>

>

Actually, the SIDS info on NIH site says that bringing baby to bed is

risky in the here and now. For me, it was retrospective that I saw

anything relating to sleeping where and how. But thank you, Heidi

for sympathizing with me about my tragedy. It is very sad, as I'm sure

any mum could imagine, even after well over a decade <sigh & cry>. But

I feel that if I can share in some way something that may help take the

fear out of sleeping with one's baby ... and also it is part of my

ongoing therapy.

>My two were VERY different as to " cuddling " , but there were

>so many issues to deal with that it's hard to say what the causes

>were.

>

>

Well, my situation was one of extensive travel during pregnancy and

after this birth. Again, it is easier in retrospect to see possible

influences relating to my son's death. And all you Mum's out there

please consider CPR training. I don't mean to offer scare tactics

either. I care as you care. I was always current on community CPR as a

fitness instructor, but kids do choke more than the other populations.

I don't know why hospitals don't teach it as a general rule. I had

saved this same boy from a toddler pretzel 6 months earlier, thanks to

basic training for infants.

Unfortunately, when I found him that morning 12 years ago, he was gone.

I was able to perform full blown CPR under such stress, but to no

avail. IVs and drugs could not bring him back either. And then I was

left with questions.

Thankfully, God gave me some very tangible answers in our space-time

universe. Much thanks.

It is important we get back to nature and be the animals we were meant

to be. Nourishment is not just with food, it is with our presence and

love that we raise brilliant kids. The following link is more evidence

that we need to trust our instincts more.

~ Deanna

>http://www.babyreference.com/Cosleeping & SIDSFactSheet.htm

>

>The actual SIDS statistics were not measured. Why? Several well-designed

research studies demonstrate that SIDS is drastically reduced in babies

cosleeping along with an aware, protective (non-smoking, non-drug-impaired)

mother. Such an announcement would not sell cribs.

>

>....

>

>Number of U.S. births year 2000: 4,058,814

>

>Total infant deaths year 2000: 28,411

> Age birth to 1 year. (6.9 per thousand)

>

>Number SIDS deaths year 2000: 2,523

> Mostly in cribs.

> Defined as death with unexplained cause, birth to 1 year.

>

>Suffocation deaths year 2000: 1,000

> Mostly in cribs. Reported to be 1/3rd of all SIDS deaths -- but when

suffocation occurs in an adult bed, it is often reported as due to " sleeping in

adult bed " -- not as SIDS.

>

>

>Heidi Jean

>

>

[Guest guest]

Deanna,

Had your child any form of vaccination just prior to his passing? I am sorry

about your baby.....

Re: Urgent baby care help needed !

>

>

>>Deanna:

>>I'm very sad to hear that! What I've heard about SIDS is that cosleeping

>>(and breastfeeding) *reduces* the incidence of it, so it is surprising

>>to me what you were told.

>>

>>

> Actually, the SIDS info on NIH site says that bringing baby to bed is

> risky in the here and now. For me, it was retrospective that I saw

> anything relating to sleeping where and how. But thank you, Heidi

> for sympathizing with me about my tragedy. It is very sad, as I'm sure

> any mum could imagine, even after well over a decade <sigh & cry>. But

> I feel that if I can share in some way something that may help take the

> fear out of sleeping with one's baby ... and also it is part of my

> ongoing therapy.

>

>>My two were VERY different as to " cuddling " , but there were

>>so many issues to deal with that it's hard to say what the causes

>>were.

>>

>>

> Well, my situation was one of extensive travel during pregnancy and

> after this birth. Again, it is easier in retrospect to see possible

> influences relating to my son's death. And all you Mum's out there

> please consider CPR training. I don't mean to offer scare tactics

> either. I care as you care. I was always current on community CPR as a

> fitness instructor, but kids do choke more than the other populations.

> I don't know why hospitals don't teach it as a general rule. I had

> saved this same boy from a toddler pretzel 6 months earlier, thanks to

> basic training for infants.

>

> Unfortunately, when I found him that morning 12 years ago, he was gone.

> I was able to perform full blown CPR under such stress, but to no

> avail. IVs and drugs could not bring him back either. And then I was

> left with questions.

>

> Thankfully, God gave me some very tangible answers in our space-time

> universe. Much thanks.

>

> It is important we get back to nature and be the animals we were meant

> to be. Nourishment is not just with food, it is with our presence and

> love that we raise brilliant kids. The following link is more evidence

> that we need to trust our instincts more.

>

> ~ Deanna

>

>>http://www.babyreference.com/Cosleeping & SIDSFactSheet.htm

>>

>>The actual SIDS statistics were not measured. Why? Several well-designed

>>research studies demonstrate that SIDS is drastically reduced in babies

>>cosleeping along with an aware, protective (non-smoking,

>>non-drug-impaired) mother. Such an announcement would not sell cribs.

>>

>>....

>>

>>Number of U.S. births year 2000: 4,058,814

>>

>>Total infant deaths year 2000: 28,411

>> Age birth to 1 year. (6.9 per thousand)

>>

>>Number SIDS deaths year 2000: 2,523

>> Mostly in cribs.

>> Defined as death with unexplained cause, birth to 1 year.

>>

>>Suffocation deaths year 2000: 1,000

>> Mostly in cribs. Reported to be 1/3rd of all SIDS deaths -- but when

>> suffocation occurs in an adult bed, it is often reported as due to

>> " sleeping in adult bed " -- not as SIDS.

>>

>>

>>Heidi Jean

>>

>>

>

>

>

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> Magda --

>

> This is uncanny because our daughter's sleep pattern is exactly

the same as your son's.

> I wonder if it has something to do with the nightlights, but the

times you mention are

> exactly the same as ours.

>

Well, I've switched the nightlight off so we'll see. managed to

sleep one night as his old self (11 to 5, then until 7) but last

night he was back to getting up every couple of hours... I really

don't mind now but I have to go back to work after New Year's and

I'm not sure how I'm going to get up at 7 am instead of 9:30 !!

Joys of motherhood,

Magda

[Guest guest]

>

>

>Deanna,

>

>Had your child any form of vaccination just prior to his passing? I am sorry

>about your baby.....

>

>

>

,

That was a very good question. And it has been so long, that I had to

look it up and think back. No, he was not vaccinated within 6 months of

his death. Gosh, I would think I would have thought of this, probably

did at the time. Read the autopsy for the first time just now. No

known cause. Healthy, well-nourished Caucasian boy.

~ Deanna

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:58:47 -0600, Deanna <hl@...> wrote:

>

> Unfortunately, when I found him that morning 12 years ago, he was gone.

> I was able to perform full blown CPR under such stress, but to no

> avail. IVs and drugs could not bring him back either. And then I was

> left with questions.

I'm so sorry to hear about your baby, Deanna. I'm not a mother, but I

love my nieces and nephews as though they were my own and I can't

imagine finding one of them dead. It must be many times more tragic as

his mother.

I did lose a baby sister when I was four. Tears still come to my

mother's eyes to this day, and that was 36 years ago. So it's no

surprise that you still feel it deeply 12 years later.

> Thankfully, God gave me some very tangible answers in our space-time

> universe. Much thanks.

I'm glad to hear that.

Blessings to you,

Fern

[Guest guest]

Jocylene,

With this I agree...empty one side, then switch...sometimes you need

to follow the baby's clues though. My second prefered one side over

the other...I think it helped him feel better (he was colicky). And my

youngest (23 months) will often nurse briefly from both sides, getting

only the thin stuff, when he is thirsty and doesn't want water or tea.

It is always important to let the baby nurse as long as they would

like to on one side.

I think that was the misunderstanding. I think we can all agree

against forced switching of sides after brief nursing.

Happy Holidays!

Catz

>

> After reading my own post again, I think may have created this

> misunderstanding. What I should have said it to empty the first breast

> before switching (if baby wants more). La Leche League recommends this

> also.

> Here is an article from " LEAVEN " , a periodical for LLL Leaders.

>

> <http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/LVSepOct95p69aNB.html>

>

> ~~ Jocelyne

[Guest guest]

Jocelyne,

I apologize immediately for misspelling your name...the fingers have

not loosened up yet, and are not cooperating with me yet!

Catz

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:45:35 -0700, Lillig

<catzandturtles@...> wrote:

> Jocylene,

[Guest guest]

Fern,

>I did lose a baby sister when I was four. Tears still come to my

>mother's eyes to this day, and that was 36 years ago. So it's no

>surprise that you still feel it deeply 12 years later.

>

I am sorry for your loss. It still is a loss no matter how long ago,

isn't it? And the holidays can be a difficult time for many. My pastor

just had a death in the family this month, so I really feel for his

family and can't imagine how tough it would be this time of year in

particular.

Deanna