breastesses

[Guest guest]

Is there any place online to read this breast theory? Or do you have

to buy the book (and which book is it from)?

> >>I'm not sure why you're intrigued by the theory, but whoever came up

> with

> it has precious little understanding of how evolution actually works.

>

>

> Ahem, not really. It's bleeding edge, and more from the

sociobiology camp, and you know they get all the rotten tomatoes, but

it's scarcely because they don't understand evolution.

>

> If you were to think about it, instead of just beat your chest for

the sake of it, it's simply an inversion of boobs-are-attractive. And

any reasonable evolutionary biologist can acknowledge that human

traits, such as self-knowledge and the ability to strategize and

persist, might create alternate routes for adaptation.

>

> Oh, and by the way, did you notice the " grossly oversimplified "

part? Few people can translate fifty pages into a paragraph on the

fly without losing something here and there.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mati-

>Ahem, not really. It's bleeding edge, and more from the sociobiology

>camp, and you know they get all the rotten tomatoes, but it's scarcely

>because they don't understand evolution.

I don't mean to be insulting, but that theory flies in the face of

everything we know about evolution. It's fundamentally ridiculous.

>If you were to think about it, instead of just beat your chest for the

>sake of it

I'm sorry you think I'm beating my chest, let alone just for the sake of it.

>it's simply an inversion of boobs-are-attractive. And any reasonable

>evolutionary biologist can acknowledge that human traits, such as

>self-knowledge and the ability to strategize and persist, might create

>alternate routes for adaptation.

What are " alternate routes for adaptation " ? If you mean " maladaptive

traits might be selected for persistently " , no.

-

[Guest guest]

On 9/13/05, Mati Senerchia <senerchia@...> wrote:

> If you were to think about it, instead of just beat your chest for the sake

> of it, it's simply an inversion of boobs-are-attractive. And any reasonable

> evolutionary biologist can acknowledge that human traits, such as

> self-knowledge and the ability to strategize and persist, might create

> alternate routes for adaptation.

I think I understand what you mean-- that since humans can, well,

think, we would not expect what is considered to be " adaptive " to be

as mechanical a process as in other animals-- but this theory still

introduces layers of complexity that are unnecessary, at least in the

way it was presented.

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[Guest guest]

> it's simply an inversion of

> boobs-are-attractive.

Is there no one else on the planet offended by the use of the word boob to

describe something as fascinating as a human breast?

A boob is a stupid person. The word was hijacked by the early feminists to

replace the slang term tit which they found offensive. Using a degrading

term to replace a shortened form of the word teat removed the biological

implication of the organ and just made the implication of the breast

something undesirable.

Words have meaning!

Ron

[Guest guest]

Ron-

>Is there no one else on the planet offended by the use of the word boob to

>describe something as fascinating as a human breast?

It's not the word I'd normally use, but I know plenty of people who use it

without any apparent derogatory intent (unless you define appreciation of

female anatomy as derogatory by its very nature, which some extremist fools

do) so while it's true that " boob " can also be used to refer to a

numbskull, I don't think it's a big problem. Virtually all words have

multiple meanings, some of them widely disparate, and while some meanings

may shade the connotations of the others, I think in this case it's not a

big deal because " boob " is so rarely used nowadays in the numbskull sense,

at least in my experience.

-

[Guest guest]

>

>That said, since boobs, or breasts, or whathaveyou, can induce a sort

>of stupidification in some men-- the kind that leads to drooling, I'm

>not sure it's entirely inappropriate.

>

>

Maybe that's where the TV euphemism " boob tube " comes from.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>

> So does this mean the next time a woman says to me " nice ass " that she

> is really enforcing a negative self image of myself that I am not even

> aware of?? <g>

Next time? You've had them say this to you before? Good for you!

And that's an excellent point, btw. Of course ass is a negative and

reinforces the negative. I'd just never thought of it before. And me being

much more of an a** man rather than a t*t man.

We are such a Puritan people.

>

> Well that is one negativity I would like to hold on too <weg>

>

> > Tits is my slang of choice. But that makes me unfit for

> polite company, I

> > realize.

>

> Hmmm..some women might think tits is vulgar and boobs innocuous.

Yes, I expect that would be the norm. I'm doing my small part to attempt to

change that, as you can see.

>

>

> --

> Pleasure is a nutrient - Mati Senerchia

Great tag line! And true.

Ron

[Guest guest]

On 9/13/05, Deanna Wagner <hl@...> wrote:

> >That said, since boobs, or breasts, or whathaveyou, can induce a sort

> >of stupidification in some men-- the kind that leads to drooling, I'm

> >not sure it's entirely inappropriate.

> Maybe that's where the TV euphemism " boob tube " comes from.

I think that expression predates cable and thus pay-per-view porn...

unless this was some of your anti-TV snobbery. *narrows eyes*

Chris

[Guest guest]

On 9/13/05, RBJR <rbjr@...> wrote:

> >

> > So does this mean the next time a woman says to me " nice ass " that she

> > is really enforcing a negative self image of myself that I am not even

> > aware of?? <g>

>

> Next time? You've had them say this to you before? Good for you!

>

> And that's an excellent point, btw. Of course ass is a negative and

> reinforces the negative. I'd just never thought of it before. And me

> being much more of an a** man rather than a t*t man.

Just because " ass " has other negative connotations doesn't mean it

" reinforces the negative. " The two have almost nothing to do with

each other. That is, having an alternate negative meaning has about

nothing to do with reinforcing that negative meaning in a different

context.

That's nothing more than an excuse to invent a new political correctness.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Tom-

>I think " boob " is a terrifically appropriate word and there's a certain

>reverence for the body part that it connotes in my mind...probably just

>me though. Actually, I like " tit " a lot too.

The good thing about the word " boobs " is that it lends itself to

" boobage " . <g>

-

[Guest guest]

-

>Hmmm..some women might think tits is vulgar and boobs innocuous.

I've known many women who feel exactly that way.

-

[Guest guest]

Mati-

> - still no content! I get it.

See, this is where backquoting comes in handy. It's completely impossible

for me to have the faintest clue what you're responding to.

-

[Guest guest]

Ron-

>Yes, I expect that would be the norm. I'm doing my small part to attempt to

>change that, as you can see.

I guess you're not aware that in some cultures, " tit " is also an insult.

From http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/t.htm -- a dictionary of slang and

colloquialisms used in the UK.

>>Noun. 1. A woman's breast, usually applied in the plural, as tits.

>>2. An imbecile, an objectionable person.

>>3. A push-button. E.g. " Come on, hurry! Push the tit, we're running out of

>>time - fire evrything we've got at them! " [Orig. Military use]

-

[Guest guest]

>I think that expression predates cable and thus pay-per-view porn...

>unless this was some of your anti-TV snobbery. *narrows eyes*

>

No, Masterjohn. Actually, maybe I should have replied to Ron, as it the

definition of the boob tube might be idiot box. However you get to such

a state is your own business <snort>. The reason I am not keen on TV

personally is because I had too many years of theatre training. Live is

alive!

Deanna

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>

>

>Tom-

>

>>I think " boob " is a terrifically appropriate word and there's a certain

>>reverence for the body part that it connotes in my mind...probably just

>>me though. Actually, I like " tit " a lot too.

>

>The good thing about the word " boobs " is that it lends itself to

> " boobage " . <g>

So when are we going to start talking about penis size, function, sexiness

and alternate slang names? Or is there another list for that?

Suze Fisher

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[Guest guest]

you watch TV? wtf lolz! How do you have time to read and post and

prepare food then?

Tom

Masterjohn wrote:

>On 9/13/05, Deanna Wagner <hl@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>>>That said, since boobs, or breasts, or whathaveyou, can induce a sort

>>>of stupidification in some men-- the kind that leads to drooling, I'm

>>>not sure it's entirely inappropriate.

>>>

>>>

>

>

>

>>Maybe that's where the TV euphemism " boob tube " comes from.

>>

>>

>

>I think that expression predates cable and thus pay-per-view porn...

>unless this was some of your anti-TV snobbery. *narrows eyes*

>

>Chris

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On 9/14/05, L. Jeanne <t.l.jeanne@...> wrote:

> you watch TV? wtf lolz! How do you have time to read and post and

> prepare food then?

You do all these at separate times?

Oh, I know the answer-- I don't work ;-) Actually, I'm " self-employed. " :-)

I've recently discovered CSI reruns. I like MTV too -- typical intellectual.

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[Guest guest]

Suze-

>So when are we going to start talking about penis size, function, sexiness

>and alternate slang names? Or is there another list for that?

As soon as the subjects come up. So to speak.

-

[Guest guest]

Oh, , for god's sake. It's an IDEA. You know how those work? Stand or

fall on their merits. You blast holes in em, separate the wheat (if there is

any) from the chaff. Throw the chaff away. Or eat it and then file a stool

report.

Appeal to authority is not part of my argument. Someone, not you, asked for a

link/citation, and I my answer was clearly separate from the rest of the

response. It's not my friend's job to back me up every time I toss his idea

around. It's not my place to invade his privacy.

Not one of your posts has addressed the idea itself. You keep saying you could,

you really could, but you haven't. So why respond at all?

Oh - and " know your place " was a slightly more humorous way of saying, " Your

astonishingly harsh judgment of women who choose not to breastfeed is

insufferably arrogant and blindingly inappropriate, and you really should shut

up, because *your* body is not on the line. "

*snaps shut bulging bag o' adjectives*

[Guest guest]

Mati-

>Oh - and " know your place " was a slightly more humorous way of saying,

> " Your astonishingly harsh judgment of women who choose not to breastfeed

>is insufferably arrogant and blindingly inappropriate, and you really

>should shut up, because *your* body is not on the line. "

You have no right to tell me what I can or should and cannot or should not

say. Happily we still live in something resembling a democracy in which

the thought police don't yet have total power over our lives.

Also, a brain-dead rutabaga probably could've figured out that my

" astonishingly harsh judgement of women " wasn't meant entirely seriously.

And finally, though of course every situation is different and must be

examined on its own merits, I stand by my implied assertion that feeding

any standard formula to a baby under just about any conceivable situation

is a crime against the health and future of the baby even if the mother

doesn't understand what she's doing.

-

[Guest guest]

On 9/14/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Was it truly not stunningly obvious that I was being a bit

> hyperbolic? IOW, not meaning that particular sentence to be taken

> literally? I mean, seriously, folks...

Yes it was pretty obvious, although a little out of taste for me. If

the harmlessness with which you meant it wasn't stunningly obvious I

wouldn't have 90% backed you up on it. If I thought you meant it

literally, I'd probably get creeped out and quit the list or

something. I'm not that stupid.

I was just failing to back you up the 10% because I wouldn't have said

it like that. Maybe I've just been watching too much CSI. Or maybe

after working at Job Corps and getting over my fear of death that

quickly made me less humorous about death.

Dunno... the school psychologist in high school actually diganosed me

with " black humor. " They wouldn't let me back into school until I had

the appointment with him. LOL.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

> So when are we going to start talking about penis size,

> function, sexiness

> and alternate slang names? Or is there another list for that?

>

Oh yeah. I was wondering how long it would take for this to come up. Can't

wait to see where it leads......

Ron

[Guest guest]

On 9/16/05, RBJR <rbjr@...> wrote:

> > So when are we going to start talking about penis size,

> > function, sexiness

> > and alternate slang names? Or is there another list for that?

> >

>

> Oh yeah. I was wondering how long it would take for this to come up.

> Can't

> wait to see where it leads......

Oh, here's the perfect opportunity to make this comment:

When I was fasting, I began waking up with the hugest erections I've

ever seen on myself in my life. I don't know exactly why, but since

my concrete job, I'd noticed that the size of my erect penis had

shrunken considerably-- maybe an inch or so-- so it could have been

the beginning of a reversal of this process, but it also was at least

in part caused by the rapid water turnover I was undergoing, which

exerted abnormal bladder pressure, which probably increased the size

of the erection.

But fasting and everything else has definitely helped increase my

penis size, which I think was probably suffering from circulating

vascular toxins from my fungal overgrowth.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

" Oh, here's the perfect opportunity to make this comment:

When I was fasting, I began waking up with the hugest erections I've

ever seen on myself in my life. I don't know exactly why, but since

my concrete job, I'd noticed that the size of my erect penis had

shrunken considerably-- maybe an inch or so-- so it could have been

the beginning of a reversal of this process, but it also was at least

in part caused by the rapid water turnover I was undergoing, which

exerted abnormal bladder pressure, which probably increased the size

of the erection.

But fasting and everything else has definitely helped increase my

penis size, which I think was probably suffering from circulating

vascular toxins from my fungal overgrowth.

"

I know what you mean. Since I started eating 'nt' my penis has has increased

by at least a foot. Of course, I hardly notice it.

[Guest guest]

Mr. Ed,

On 9/16/05, Gene Schwartz <implode7@...> wrote:

> I know what you mean. Since I started eating 'nt' my penis has has

> increased

> by at least a foot. Of course, I hardly notice it.

Lucky you. Giving or taking an inch is highly detectable to me.

LOL.

Chris

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