RE: Re: bloating and stuff after fall

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>I suspect we're both gluten intolerant. It's very difficult for her

>to change her diet, though, even when she understands the importance

>of it. She has very strong addictions to things.

>

I am sorry to hear about your Mum. Please give her my regards.

What makes you suspect you are both gluten intolerant? Bloating was a

problem for me with gluten, but obviously her situation is some sudden

reaction. Do you make your own bread now? If so, it would be

relatively simple to switch to GF stuff.

With all of you reporting gluten issues, Helga T. Glutenator will have

an army soon. And darn it, my mind has been blank in naming Suze and

Robin. Deputy Glutenatorettes just has too many syllables. We need

something like IgAction Squad, Zonulin Zappers or something cute, but

with a different name. I have been thinking about it whilst running,

but I think I need help.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Bloating after a fall might be a form of edema, bodily fluids collecting.

This causes swelling without a lot of pain. If she's still experiencing the

bloating, I'd go to the doctor to make sure there wasn't more internal

injury than first suspected.

YR

>I suspect we're both gluten intolerant. It's very difficult for her

>to change her diet, though, even when she understands the importance

>of it. She has very strong addictions to things.

>

[Guest guest]

On 7/16/05, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> By the way, with regard to the bloat, one thing that popped into our

> heads was that cracking the rib could have irritated an organ near the

> rib and caused it to inflame, pushing on her stomach from the back.

>

Chris

Edema is usually at the site of trauma. Did she fall on her stomach?

If its internal bleeding it should hurt to touch but you said pain is

in rib area. Rib could have got small intestine releasing more toxins

than usual. L-glutamine or pepto might help. Love these NN Dr. House

episodes but not the reason for them.

Wanita

Wanita

[Guest guest]

>>>With all of you reporting gluten issues, Helga T. Glutenator will have

an army soon. And darn it, my mind has been blank in naming Suze and

Robin. Deputy Glutenatorettes just has too many syllables. We need

something like IgAction Squad, Zonulin Zappers or something cute, but

with a different name. I have been thinking about it whilst running,

but I think I need help.

Deanna>>>>

How about " Cereal Killers " ? ~Robin

[Guest guest]

>>>>[Deanna] What makes you suspect you are both gluten intolerant? 

Bloating was a problem for me with gluten, but obviously her situation is

some sudden reaction. Deanna>>>>>

Hi Deanna and Maybe a week or two is just too sudden but I know that

in my case for example it was trauma that set off what my doctor calls

celiac syndrome. While of course I’ve had the genes for gluten intolerance

all my life, my first symptoms of celiac disease didn't come until I was 36

and had what was then diagnosed as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. At the time no

one suspected gluten although 17 years later my new celiac M.D. just told me

that what I actually had in 1988 was an autoimmune version of “celiac

syndrome”. Anyway, I managed to recover enough from the CFID's to get on

with my life (still drinking beer and eating wheat with no apparent symptoms

whatsoever.) I just had unexplained fatigue on and off.

But 15 years after the CFID's (and 2 years ago) I was hospitalized with a

sudden ruptured stomach ulcer that perforated my stomach and blocked my

gastric canal. After that event I had ALL the celiac stuff – even the

Dermatitis Herpetiformis. None of my doctors then had a clue about gluten

and only did things to me to make it worse. Now 2 years after the event I

learn from the new guy (yay!) that this " insult " , the ulcer, probably kicked

off the disease aspect of celiac...

So about the fall, from my point of view, I'd say that anything's possible.

Whether your mom will try to go gluten-free, sounds like the bigger issue.

By the way, my ish/English mother has always been deathly allergic to

eggs and is an alcoholic. She LOVES her scotch. She's 73 now and has

*really* bad dementia and horribly crooked fingers from arthritis. She's a

mess but there's no way on earth that she would change one teeny tiny aspect

of her lifestyle even if it meant certain sudden death (or terrible

inconvenience to others...) Talk about inspiration for me to keep it

together!!

~Robin

[Guest guest]

>How about " Cereal Killers " ? ~Robin

Ooooh ...

Helga T.

[Guest guest]

On 7/17/05, Robin Reese <robin.reese@...> wrote:

> By the way, my ish/English mother has always been deathly allergic to

> eggs and is an alcoholic. She LOVES her scotch. She's 73 now and has

> *really* bad dementia and horribly crooked fingers from arthritis. She's a

> mess but there's no way on earth that she would change one teeny tiny aspect

> of her lifestyle even if it meant certain sudden death (or terrible

> inconvenience to others...) Talk about inspiration for me to keep it

> together!!

Robin,

There are definitely stubborn, can't teach an old dog new tricks

types. Heartbreaking to see my diabetic amputee Mom in Little Debbie

snack land and Dad pushing her wheelchair with his arthritic knees.

Remember her signs of not digesting carbohydrates back to my teens.

Your's and my grandparents didn't have the same food, medical

experience that our parents had. Now its like the mistakes and

misinformation of our parent's generation is being found. Isn't easy

or nice to have personal paradigms busted or to realize what you were

told or believed in isn't necessarily the truth. Sick and tired

shouldn't be an accepted human value.

Wanita

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<How about " Cereal Killers " ? ~Robin

This gets my vote. <g>

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

> RE: Re: bloating and stuff after fall

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>>How about " Cereal Killers " ? ~Robin

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>Ooooh ...

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>Helga T.

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But I'm a lover, not a killer :-)

How about " gluten gladiators " ? Or " glutenathema girls " ?

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[Guest guest]

>But I'm a lover, not a killer :-)

>

>How about " gluten gladiators " ? Or " glutenathema girls " ?

>

Oh, okay. I didn't like killers first off either. Let's keep

brainstorming. Glutenatrixes has a nice leather effect, LOL. That way,

you could have GF whips and chains, who hoo!

Deanna, who obviously has a touch of dehydration presently

[Guest guest]

>True, but she has a history of all kinds of bloat problems for

>different reasons (once some kind of gastric dysbiosis, a gall bladder

>issue another time, etc), sometimes but not always including severe

>abdominal cramping. Her rampant life-long tooth decay, various gut

>issues, impossible smoking addiction, multiple food intolerances

>(eggs, dairy, nightshades, at a minimum), food addictions (beer,

>Kettle chips, breads, etc, and .... ice?), general immune suppression

>(shingles, at age 45), bed wetting as child, etc, all point that way,

>at least enough to get tested, right?

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You could get tested, or be lazy and cheap like me and just do the

gluten free thing. An addictive nature is not necessarily such a bad

thing, as it means she/you can change to healthy addictions without too

much effort. Well, it takes effort, but as a smoker at 10 who quit at

16 and subsequently got addicted to exercise, racing the 2 mile all over

Orange Cty, CA in high school, I think there is hope here. Choose your

battles/poisons. She can stick with the Kettle chips (but the GF lists

I have seen remark on possible contamination from gluten), and maybe

take on wine spritzers rather than beer. It's not too hard a switch

since both are carbonated, AND beer causes bloating too, so it would be

a good time now to make that change.

>And then to look at the two of us together, my baby exzema,

>intolerance to nearly every food (bad enough to warrant an exclusive

>APPLE JUICE diet!... kind of like the banana diet, right?), bad bed

>wetting as child, eczema and gut problems when older, early smoking,

>bad anxiety problems, sleeping problems, visual problems, etc, I cover

>some of the other bases.

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>I'm not saying all this indicates we are gluten intolerant, because a

>lot of these could have many other causes besides gluten intolerance.

>But it's enough to lead to a hunch, isn't it?

>

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Again, there is hope. You are pretty young still, and you've made some

conscious changes. I have seen your photos in the photo section, and ya

look pretty healthy to me. And certainly, knocking out the gluten with

one of Helga's spinning kicks is well worth the effort. Then in a few

months, take some bread or pizza and see the results. Heck, I like beer

in the summer, but sheesh, I have one and am zonked out for the next day

(and you know how I can sip the wine down without issue ;-) ).

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>I've never made my own bread regularly. Recently, I've been using

>European Style 100% Rye Sourdough, not sure the brand, from Whole

>Foods. I don't really eat wheat, so I figured for me I'll try going

>the rest of the way and getting rid of the rye and the beer.

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It would be easy. I don't know how much better the beer is than the

wheat/rye/barley foods, but from my experience, I can do without the

bloating and flatulence, myself. Make some sangria with sparkling water

and see if it makes a difference. That way, you aren't feeling too

deprived. I think 2 weeks/months? minimum on the GF diet might be a

good goal.

>By the way, with regard to the bloat, one thing that popped into our

>heads was that cracking the rib could have irritated an organ near the

>rib and caused it to inflame, pushing on her stomach from the back.

>

>Chris

>

Yes, as others have responded on this, do seek care if continues. I

have had thoracic discs out of alignment, which does feel bad into the

front side of the ribs. She doesn't have any bruising or discoloration

anywhere in her abdominal or mid back region, does she? Let us know how

things are going, please.

Deanna