Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 > > Can you tell me if you have tried Candex? > > Never heard of it. What's in it? Cellulase Hemicellulase Alpha amylase Glucoamylase Invertase Malt diastase Of all the yeast/candida meds this proved to bring more relief faster. > > I think thyme just duplicates the oregano oil. Did you find relief? > How long did you use them for? Actually, oregano is stronger according to Schnaubelt, and thyme is available in different ketones. I used them for several months, but with little noticable improvement. Yet I do not wish to discourage them as they may help others. > > > I'd be curious to know what your microflora counts are. Have you > > performed any testing to determine this? > > Nope. How do you do that? A stool test? Yes, like from Great Smokies. I did the CDSA. I'll send a link if you are interested. The only reason I bring this up is that I think more attention should be placed on our microflora counts. I've been aggressively working on mine with significant improvement in my symptoms in less than 1 month. The other " meds " are ok, but its like pissing on a fire. Here is just one study of many: Probiotics in the management of atopic eczema. " After 2 months, a significant improvement in skin condition occurred in patients given probiotic-supplemented formulas, as compared to the unsupplemented group... The results provide the first clinical demonstration of specific probiotic strains modifying the changes related to allergic inflammation " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=11069570 & query_hl=7 Also, I think we need to reevaluate our assumptions about the low- carb diet for candida/yeast infections. For instance why are manufactures now including FOS in their probiotics? We should certainly eliminate refined carbs, but whole complex carbs I question. For instance, if we believe that the food source for candida and yeast are sugars, and we restrict these, then what about our other bacteria? What are they going to eat to survive? I understand this is speculation and I hesitate in doing so but I think we might be doing more harm than good in restricting the complex carbs. I realize Rubin and Brasco even question the use of Fructo- oligosaccharides as a food source, and there may be something to this, but I think we need further investigation in this arena. How are your bowel movements? Constipated, diarrhea, distended, bloating? Just curious. -Colby (Raleigh, NC) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 On 9/6/05, colbygeiman <colbygeiman@...> wrote: > How are your bowel movements? Constipated, diarrhea, distended, > bloating? Just curious. Oh. I should add that I had a little blood in them before my fast for a day. Didn't notice it recurring. Chris -- Want the other side of the cholesterol story? Find out what your doctor isn't telling you: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 On 9/6/05, colbygeiman <colbygeiman@...> wrote: > Yes, like from Great Smokies. I did the CDSA. I'll send a link if you > are interested. The only reason I bring this up is that I think more > attention should be placed on our microflora counts. I've been > aggressively working on mine with significant improvement in my > symptoms in less than 1 month. The other " meds " are ok, but its like > pissing on a fire. I don't know if I'll get it done (it would be interesting, but depending on cost...), but sure you can send along the link. > Also, I think we need to reevaluate our assumptions about the low- > carb diet for candida/yeast infections. For instance why are > manufactures now including FOS in their probiotics? Some believe FOS feeds good organisms, others believe it feeds bad ones even more, and others say that FOS is often conflated with long-chain inulin, and only the longest-chain inulin safely encourages the good microbes without being available to the bad ones. > We should > certainly eliminate refined carbs, but whole complex carbs I > question. For instance, if we believe that the food source for > candida and yeast are sugars, and we restrict these, then what about > our other bacteria? What are they going to eat to survive? Well here are my thoughts: Eating simple sugars preferentially feeds things in the small intestine over the colon. Eating complex carbs preferentially feeds things in the colon. If there's bad overgrowth in the colon that hasn't yet moved into the small intestine, it would be superior to eat simple sugars to avoid fueling the overgrowth, supplemented possibly with certain types of prebiotics that *will not* feed the organism involved in the overgrowth. From what I'm reading, this might be long-chain inulin, in which case the best foods would be garlic and onions. Onions, of course, are simple sugars and not complex carbs. Starches, on the other hand, will fuel the overgrowths in the colon without necessarily providing the prebiotic material that preferentially feeds the good bacteria. Of course all the science on this stuff is mixed, and there are claims in opposite directions that are hard to sort out. That said, if the overgrowth is in the small intestine too, then all carbs might need to be restricted, or if it is only in the small intestine, maybe complex are better. BUT, if it is SYSTEMIC, then I suspect that it is wise to do a true ketogenic diet for a while, which will lower sugar in the BLOOD, while providing energy in the form of ketones to the organs. (By this I mean >90% fat diet) Bruce Fife's VCO fast helped me a lot, although I must warn it causes diarrhea for 7 days. This diet is both ketogenic and antifungal, as you are overloading yourself with a massive amount of antifungal VCO, that would be delivered via the blood to the organs that might house candida colonies. I > understand this is speculation and I hesitate in doing so but I think > we might be doing more harm than good in restricting the complex > carbs. I realize Rubin and Brasco even question the use of Fructo- > oligosaccharides as a food source, and there may be something to > this, but I think we need further investigation in this arena. Complex carbs, though, are different than FOS, inulin, and fiber. They don't necessarily overlap in foods. For example, onions are very high in inulin, but are high in simple sugars, not complex carbs. > How are your bowel movements? Constipated, diarrhea, distended, > bloating? Just curious. They always used to be diarrhea and real stinky, which was ameliorated by taking Primal Defense. Since my 2-week water fast supplemented with coconut water, they've been healthy-looking, dark, fully-formed but soft, not smelling much at all, and one BM every 1-2 days. Also didn't need to wipe really. Since I started the antifungals, I'd been going twice a day, and they are harder and shorter in length. However, I started taking Dr. Shulze's intestinal formula 2, which is based on fibers clay and charcoal, to prevent die-off (I was getting bad conjunctivitis, one of my old root canal symptoms), which seemed to reduce die-off symptoms dramatically, but also stopped me from having BMs. Yesterday I added back in intestinal formula 1, and I had a bowel movement. It was harder than before the anti-fungals, but it didn't smell a lot. Actually I just remembered that at some point recently-- maybe the first days on antifungals, I forget-- I had two days where my stools were piles of little granules. Never seen it before. Chris -- Want the other side of the cholesterol story? Find out what your doctor isn't telling you: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 On 9/6/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote: > An advocate of the longest-chain idea joined an SCD-related list awhile > back and pushed that idea really hard. The list-owner, who was still > active at the time, eventually responded at some length with some extremely > sound counter-arguments and citations, but the inulin pimp had been busily > working his wiles on a number of list-members offlist and managed to ring > up a large number of sales of his purified longest-chain inulin. Without > exception, everyone who tried it (perhaps a dozen or two people; I don't > remember for sure) had major flares of their various bowel diseases. I > think every single person also had bloody diarrhea, which the inulin pimp > tried to pass off as a beneficial " healing " reaction. Some people > recovered pretty quickly after stopping the inulin; others had major flares > which took weeks or longer to calm down. I'll have to take a look at the science at some point-- but Duncan Crow didn't invent the idea himself. I've seen reviews that support it, and he provides citations etc. But I haven't looked closely. > I started taking a small dose of DMSA (100mg) about a week ago and for the > first two days I experienced something similar. The stools were basically > formed (and quite dry) but lots of granules flaked off and I had to flush a > second time to get rid of them all. It was quite strange. Interesting. Mine were also dry, and the little granules themselves were formed, but my stool was entirely the big pile of granules both times. They also looked like they might have something white in them but it was kind of hard to tell. Chris -- Want the other side of the cholesterol story? Find out what your doctor isn't telling you: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 On 9/6/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote: > The problem with the citations I've examined (and I haven't looked into > everything) is that it's very selective, examining particularly populations > or markers without looking at overall digestive health, and sometimes > relies on highly questionable surrogate endpoints. One study actually > regarded increased volume of farting as a positive! Oh boy. > And of course there's the small but not isolated anecdotal evidence of > everyone's disastrous experience with Crow's inulin on the Healing Crow > list. _Nobody_ reported a positive outcome from trying it. Hmm. I was just talking to someone on the candidiasis list who was trying to figure out why she had become intolerant (according to muscle testing...) to olive oil, butter, and sunflower oil and was apparently developing food allergies left and right. She mentioned that in her current treatments she was doing an anti-parasite formula, psyllium husk and inulin (Duncan Crow is on that list), and I suggested the inulin might be doing her harm, but haven't heard back yet. > Hmm, white? That doesn't sound good, but as you've gone back to brown I > guess it's not a concern. Well they were brown, but it looked like their were tiny white spots in them, like they might have been concealing something white. Of course, it's hard to tell in the toilet bowl. > I've had lots of light-colored stools, and > sometimes stools with both light and dark areas, so I started taking some > liver nutrients recently. (Kutkins, n-acetyl cysteine, choline, > etc.) Between them and the glutamine I've been reluctantly using, my > output has improved substantially, though the kutkin stuff (which > admittedly I just started) smells like roadkill that's been out in the sun > for days mixed with some really noxious manure. I had to cap it to get it > down, and even then the smell is unpleasant. Hmm. So light colored stools indicate liver problems? Chris -- Want the other side of the cholesterol story? Find out what your doctor isn't telling you: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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