Re: Stool Color

[Guest guest]

Green stool will happen if the bowel doesn't move regularly.

Constipation can cause green stool. That is my observation

with me for years. If I ate a food that didn't agree with me, mainly

sugar my bowel activity actuallly stopped. resulting in green stool.

Long term of stopped up bowel leads to gastritis making you

awful sick all over. I thought there was some reason for this but

I didn't find a single problem except the sugar. Years later my

bowels stopped moving altogether and I discovered I was getting

toxic from my fillings. Mercury could have been the culpret for

this. The only thing to get my system working again was acupuncture.

I wouldn't get my child treated in the same way I had been treated-

needels. But acupunture has other methods. I read about a

way to stimulate the meridians by using an electo-magnetic device.

Painless.

Liz

Re: stool color

He's been on Nexium for 2 years becuase of reflux. Dr. Horvath (his

GI doc) said green stool could be because of bacterial changes in the

GI system from the Nexium. He's been off the Nexium for 6 weeks now,

and it's still green. We are using Zyme Prime enzymes. I'm giving

him Biocidin for yeast.

We are doing the Body Ecology Diet, but not using the coconut Kefir

part at this time. The diet, strict no sugar of any form, seems to

have helped his reflux, but although he's eating a ton of veggies he

gets constipated easily. I began giving milled flax seed and that

has helped greatly.

We just can't seem to get rid of the green stools.

Thanks for your help.

Ronda

> >>>> However, his stools have been green for about a year now.

>

> Having stool color change temporarily is not usually a concern

> (usually can be traced to food/supplement)...but green for a year

is

> more unusual. What did your doctor say about this? Have they

> mentioned bile output in anyway? I don't recall that greenish

stools

> are related to pathogens specifically. What does your child eat?

> Anything strongly colored foods, supplements, or medicines?

>

> Here is a link containin stool color info:

>

> http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtstools.htm

>

>

> >>>Also, the folks at True Hope recommended D-Lenolate as the best

> treatment for yeast.

>

> Not familiar with it (although there are many products claiming to

> be 'the best')

>

> What are you using for yeast? Any special diet? any yeast killers?

> Also, are you using any enzymes at the moment?

>

> Thanks,

> .

[Guest guest]

>>>> However, his stools have been green for about a year now.

Having stool color change temporarily is not usually a concern

(usually can be traced to food/supplement)...but green for a year is

more unusual. What did your doctor say about this? Have they

mentioned bile output in anyway? I don't recall that greenish stools

are related to pathogens specifically. What does your child eat?

Anything strongly colored foods, supplements, or medicines?

Here is a link containin stool color info:

http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtstools.htm

>>>Also, the folks at True Hope recommended D-Lenolate as the best

treatment for yeast.

Not familiar with it (although there are many products claiming to

be 'the best')

What are you using for yeast? Any special diet? any yeast killers?

Also, are you using any enzymes at the moment?

Thanks,

.

[Guest guest]

He's been on Nexium for 2 years becuase of reflux. Dr. Horvath (his

GI doc) said green stool could be because of bacterial changes in the

GI system from the Nexium. He's been off the Nexium for 6 weeks now,

and it's still green. We are using Zyme Prime enzymes. I'm giving

him Biocidin for yeast.

We are doing the Body Ecology Diet, but not using the coconut Kefir

part at this time. The diet, strict no sugar of any form, seems to

have helped his reflux, but although he's eating a ton of veggies he

gets constipated easily. I began giving milled flax seed and that

has helped greatly.

We just can't seem to get rid of the green stools.

Thanks for your help.

Ronda

> >>>> However, his stools have been green for about a year now.

>

> Having stool color change temporarily is not usually a concern

> (usually can be traced to food/supplement)...but green for a year

is

> more unusual. What did your doctor say about this? Have they

> mentioned bile output in anyway? I don't recall that greenish

stools

> are related to pathogens specifically. What does your child eat?

> Anything strongly colored foods, supplements, or medicines?

>

> Here is a link containin stool color info:

>

> http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtstools.htm

>

>

> >>>Also, the folks at True Hope recommended D-Lenolate as the best

> treatment for yeast.

>

> Not familiar with it (although there are many products claiming to

> be 'the best')

>

> What are you using for yeast? Any special diet? any yeast killers?

> Also, are you using any enzymes at the moment?

>

> Thanks,

> .

[Guest guest]

>>>> He's been on Nexium for 2 years becuase of reflux.

Did this help the reflux at all? Nexium is also the Purple Pill which

means the strong purple color is coming from someplace (a good

suspect right off)

Here is a link that quickly describes green stools (other links said

about the same think but not as concisely):

http://www.drhull.com/EncyMaster/S/stool_green.html

http://www.medhelp.org/perl6/gastro/archive/1532.html

Eating lots of vegetables can cause the green. Generally, the green

appears to indicate that bile flow is good and transit time is good,

if not a bit quick. Is the stool foul smelling at all (above 'normal'

that is)? And, do you think the stool is too loose, or being passed

too quickly? Is there undigested food in the stool?

What you are looking for is indication that the food is not

thoroughly digested and passing out too quickly. Otherwise the

greenish stools may be good (indicating lots of veggies, good

digestion, good transit time).

I suppose I should ask how green is 'green'? Are we talking about

somewhat green? or are we talking about lime green? Overall, it

doesn't sound like a problem and if your doctor is quite aware of it

and listening to your concerns, just keep an eye on it, but don't

lose any sleep at this point.

As for yeast control, you might want to consider No-Fenol, Candex or

Candidase enzymes which are formulated to directly impact on yeast.

The broad-spectrum ones aren't usually targeting a yeast problem, but

might help with overall food digestion and gut health. Combine this

with something directed at yeast (one of the prescription ones, or

oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract, etc). The combination of

yeast-targeting enzymes plus the yeast-killer shows a much bigger

impact than either alone. No-Fenol plus the yeast-killer has an

enormous impact from past reports.

.

[Guest guest]

Just a question on stool color for . A loose green stool often

signifies giardia (spelling?) or some other water borne bacteria, but I live

in Africa, so maybe such problems don't occur in the US. Is it not possible

it is bacteria? The SCD list often said they thought green stools were die

off, but I'm not sure since my son didn't have this problem.

Abby

>>>> However, his stools have been green for about a year now.

Having stool color change temporarily is not usually a concern

(usually can be traced to food/supplement)...but green for a year is

more unusual. What did your doctor say about this? Have they

mentioned bile output in anyway? I don't recall that greenish stools

are related to pathogens specifically. What does your child eat?

Anything strongly colored foods, supplements, or medicines?

Here is a link containin stool color info:

http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtstools.htm

[Guest guest]

>>>A loose green stool often signifies giardia (spelling?) or some

other water borne bacteria,

Abby,

Yes, I believe this can also be correct. From the reading and link I

posted it indicates that the green comes from bile (so green means

there is bile output of some kind which is good), and quick(er)

transit time (the green remains because stool has not lingered in the

colon long enough to be broken down thoroughly).

In the case of diarrhea or very loose stool consistency, the transit

time is too quick. Possibly because of adverse bacteria as you noted,

or something else the body is trying to flush out. In this case,

green stool that is too loose or diarrhea would not be good as it is

too quick and there is not enough nutrient absorption.

But if stool consistency is not too loose...just adequate (as opposed

to not too hard or constipation), and all other things are fine, then

the greenish color is not really a concern. Transit time is 'good'

and not too quick, and nutrient absorption is good and waste is

eliminated in a timely manner.

So the green color is one indicator of what is going on in the gut,

but not indicative of just one thing. It might be okay, or it might

indicate a problem as you mentioned. But you would have to look at

other factors to be sure which it is.

.

[Guest guest]

>

> >Hmm. So light colored stools indicate liver problems?

>

> Well, they indicate impaired bile production. I'm not sure how

commonly

> people regard _light_ stools as indicative of liver problems, but

white

> stools are considered proof of liver failure. I think I've had one

or two

> of those, but luckily never any kind of consistent whiteness. Some

of mine

> have been awfully light, though, like a medium or even light tan.

Quite

> alarming.

>

>

> -

Yup, Same here. I started GCC (Gold Coin Grass) and will begin

Chinese Bitters later, but my color has significantly improved. My

fat digestions was impaired in my CDSA, which makes sense if my liver

and gallbladder are compromised.

-Colby (Raleigh, NC)

[Guest guest]

Colby-

>Yup, Same here. I started GCC (Gold Coin Grass) and will begin

>Chinese Bitters later, but my color has significantly improved. My

>fat digestions was impaired in my CDSA, which makes sense if my liver

>and gallbladder are compromised.

I found that bitters darkened my stools wonderfully -- and then gave me

diarrhea which took a couple days to recover from. This happened every

single time I tried them, so after a few experiments I gave up. I don't

know anything about gold coin grass, but it sounds digestively questionable.

I do recommend either milk thistle or picrorhiza kurroa extracts,

though. (The latter is the source of kutkins, which are supposed to work

in the same way as milk thistle but much more potently.) I've had

digestive difficulty with many milk thistle extracts, but so far the kutkin

supplement I'm taking has given me no trouble whatsoever (aside from the

horrible smell!) and may be contributing to improvements in my digestion.

-

[Guest guest]

>

> I found that bitters darkened my stools wonderfully -- and then

gave me

> diarrhea which took a couple days to recover from. This happened

every

> single time I tried them, so after a few experiments I gave up. I

don't

> know anything about gold coin grass, but it sounds digestively

questionable.

Actually, this is Chinese Bitters, and not swedish bitters if that is

what you were referring to. I am willing to try anything.

http://www.sensiblehealth.com/prime.html

>

> I do recommend either milk thistle or picrorhiza kurroa extracts,

> though. (The latter is the source of kutkins, which are supposed

to work

> in the same way as milk thistle but much more potently.) I've had

> digestive difficulty with many milk thistle extracts, but so far

the kutkin

Interesting. I'll look into it.

-Colby

[Guest guest]

Colby-

>Actually, this is Chinese Bitters, and not swedish bitters if that is

>what you were referring to. I am willing to try anything.

>

>http://www.sensiblehealth.com/prime.html

Yeah, I tried Swedish bitters, which contain many more herbs including

aloe, which isn't good for the gut at all.

I'd be interested to hear how you do with the Chinese bitters. I'm a bit

leery of any source of plant sterols, though, since they tend to interfere

with cholesterol absorption (which many people tout as a positive

characteristic!) and I believe the sterol content of the hare's ear is

supposed to be one of the major reasons for taking it.

-

[Guest guest]

>

> Does anyone know if the stool color says whether a child is tolerating

> something or not? My son is on enzymes however whenever he eats

tomatoe

> sauce his stool color seems to be a orangish color. Could this mean he

> isn't tolerating the tomatoe sauce or is this normal, does anyone

have any

> thoughts.

It might mean his body does not convert carotenes, and tomatoes do

qualify. Does his bm look orange with oranges or carrots?

My son's body did not convert carotenes until the very end of ALA

chelation, plus selenium and several other supplements.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana,

His stool is more orange with carrots and his test results show him very

high in caroteen. If I give him a lot of carrots he will even have a

orangish tint to his skin. Does this mean I should eliminate them from his

diet? Is it a bad thing for his stool to be this color? I just don't want

it to be causing more gut problems or making what he has worse.

Thanks so much.

Darci

>From: " danasview " <danasview@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: stool color

>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:19:31 -0000

>

>

> >

> > Does anyone know if the stool color says whether a child is tolerating

> > something or not? My son is on enzymes however whenever he eats

>tomatoe

> > sauce his stool color seems to be a orangish color. Could this mean he

> > isn't tolerating the tomatoe sauce or is this normal, does anyone

>have any

> > thoughts.

>

>

>It might mean his body does not convert carotenes, and tomatoes do

>qualify. Does his bm look orange with oranges or carrots?

>

>My son's body did not convert carotenes until the very end of ALA

>chelation, plus selenium and several other supplements.

>

>Dana

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks Dana,

>

> His stool is more orange with carrots and his test results show him

very

> high in caroteen. If I give him a lot of carrots he will even have a

> orangish tint to his skin. Does this mean I should eliminate them

from his

> diet?

Yes, eliminate everything orange and green. Watch carefully with red

and yellow foods, because some of them also qualify. See if this helps.

Carotene issues were one of my son's biggest issue. Enzymes did not

help. It took all the way to the end of ALA chelation, plus selenium

and a few other supplements, before his body converted it.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana,

Does this mean that this issue is preventing his gut from healing possibly?

I can't imagine taking all these out of his diet because all he eats is meat

and veggies. I have eliminated all fruit and sugar because of yeast issues.

I did introduce buckwheat, and quiinoa however it seems the dark circles

returned and he looks pale again so I assume he isn't tolerating them. When

a child isn't tolerating something do the symptoms usually last a couple

days, weeks, etc after they have had the food? He had quinoa last week and

he is still off and looking pale. I am just trying to determine if it is

something else. I did just reduce some of his supplements as well.

Thanks for your help.

Darci

>From: " danasview " <danasview@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: stool color

>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:27:59 -0000

>

>

> >

> > Thanks Dana,

> >

> > His stool is more orange with carrots and his test results show him

>very

> > high in caroteen. If I give him a lot of carrots he will even have a

> > orangish tint to his skin. Does this mean I should eliminate them

>from his

> > diet?

>

>

>Yes, eliminate everything orange and green. Watch carefully with red

>and yellow foods, because some of them also qualify. See if this helps.

>

>Carotene issues were one of my son's biggest issue. Enzymes did not

>help. It took all the way to the end of ALA chelation, plus selenium

>and a few other supplements, before his body converted it.

>

>Dana

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Dana,

> Does this mean that this issue is preventing his gut from healing

possibly?

Probably

> I can't imagine taking all these out of his diet because all he eats

is meat

> and veggies.

Give veggies like yellow beans, other types of beans. There are some

fruits that will work, especially if you give them with No-Fenol enzyme.

>>When

> a child isn't tolerating something do the symptoms usually last a

couple

> days, weeks, etc after they have had the food?

Depends on the child and the food.

Dana