Re: Re: Candida, carbs, etc.

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Chris-

>Some believe FOS feeds good organisms, others believe it feeds bad

>ones even more, and others say that FOS is often conflated with

>long-chain inulin, and only the longest-chain inulin safely encourages

>the good microbes without being available to the bad ones.

An advocate of the longest-chain idea joined an SCD-related list awhile

back and pushed that idea really hard. The list-owner, who was still

active at the time, eventually responded at some length with some extremely

sound counter-arguments and citations, but the inulin pimp had been busily

working his wiles on a number of list-members offlist and managed to ring

up a large number of sales of his purified longest-chain inulin. Without

exception, everyone who tried it (perhaps a dozen or two people; I don't

remember for sure) had major flares of their various bowel diseases. I

think every single person also had bloody diarrhea, which the inulin pimp

tried to pass off as a beneficial " healing " reaction. Some people

recovered pretty quickly after stopping the inulin; others had major flares

which took weeks or longer to calm down.

>Actually I just remembered that at some point recently-- maybe the

>first days on antifungals, I forget-- I had two days where my stools

>were piles of little granules. Never seen it before.

I started taking a small dose of DMSA (100mg) about a week ago and for the

first two days I experienced something similar. The stools were basically

formed (and quite dry) but lots of granules flaked off and I had to flush a

second time to get rid of them all. It was quite strange.

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Chris-

>I'll have to take a look at the science at some point-- but Duncan

>Crow didn't invent the idea himself. I've seen reviews that support

>it, and he provides citations etc. But I haven't looked closely.

The problem with the citations I've examined (and I haven't looked into

everything) is that it's very selective, examining particularly populations

or markers without looking at overall digestive health, and sometimes

relies on highly questionable surrogate endpoints. One study actually

regarded increased volume of farting as a positive!

And of course there's the small but not isolated anecdotal evidence of

everyone's disastrous experience with Crow's inulin on the Healing Crow

list. _Nobody_ reported a positive outcome from trying it.

>They also looked like they might have something white in them

>but it was kind of hard to tell.

Hmm, white? That doesn't sound good, but as you've gone back to brown I

guess it's not a concern. I've had lots of light-colored stools, and

sometimes stools with both light and dark areas, so I started taking some

liver nutrients recently. (Kutkins, n-acetyl cysteine, choline,

etc.) Between them and the glutamine I've been reluctantly using, my

output has improved substantially, though the kutkin stuff (which

admittedly I just started) smells like roadkill that's been out in the sun

for days mixed with some really noxious manure. I had to cap it to get it

down, and even then the smell is unpleasant.

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Chris-

> > The problem with the citations I've examined (and I haven't looked into

> > everything) is that it's very selective, examining particularly populations

> > or markers without looking at overall digestive health, and sometimes

> > relies on highly questionable surrogate endpoints. One study actually

> > regarded increased volume of farting as a positive!

>

>Oh boy.

I cannot even believe how badly I mangled the language in that

paragraph. I guess the lesson is don't post and talk on the phone at the

same time. <g>

>She mentioned

>that in her current treatments she was doing an anti-parasite formula,

>psyllium husk and inulin (Duncan Crow is on that list), and I

>suggested the inulin might be doing her harm, but haven't heard back

>yet.

Great. Crow strikes again. Healing Crow isn't my list, so I merely

debated him there, but I won't allow him on this list. He uses lists as

advertising tools, and as far as I can tell, does people great harm with

his product(s).

>Hmm. So light colored stools indicate liver problems?

Well, they indicate impaired bile production. I'm not sure how commonly

people regard _light_ stools as indicative of liver problems, but white

stools are considered proof of liver failure. I think I've had one or two

of those, but luckily never any kind of consistent whiteness. Some of mine

have been awfully light, though, like a medium or even light tan. Quite

alarming.

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