Re: Whole Garlic Vs. Garlic Juice-- Dosing

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Masterjohn wrote:

>, , or someone else who knows--

>

>When juicing garlic, on the one hand, a lot of components must get

>left behind with what didn't come out in the juice; on the other, the

>juice must be much more concentrated.

>

>

>

Yep.

>What volume of undiluted garlic juice is equivalent to one regular-size clove?

>

>

>

This was almost two years ago, so I'm trying to remember what I did.....

I think I just took a couple of cloves of garlic and juiced; rather than

measuring out the end amount, dosed based on the initial amount: two or

three cloves of garlic per day.

>Also, to what volume should I dilute the garlic juice, and what is a

>safe dose? I know that one or two cloves 3x/day seems fine for me,

>but I have no idea what this is in garlic *juice*.

>

>

>

I juiced fermented ginger and carrots (heavy on the raw ginger--it

smelled positively medicinal) and mixed with the garlic juice. On this,

the total liquid volume filled a shot glass. One per each kid. See why

I love Tribiotic?

>Also, does the therapeutic and antimicrobial (especially antifungal)

>capacity of garlic juice decline over time? Can it be saved in the

>fridge or must it be used immediately?

>

>

>

I never saved any, but juiced fresh for this daily. I don't have any

quotes on the decline of antifungal characteristics, but speaking

anecdotally, I've used garlic for sinus infection for myself. The

minced raw garlic in a jar does *not* work, while freshly processed raw

garlic *does* work very well. I'll shoot in the dark and say that for

your level of dysbiosis, you're gonna need fresh stuff on a daily

basis. Extra work sucks, but there it is....

Sorry you hit a snag.

--s

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> When juicing garlic, on the one hand, a lot of components must get

> left behind with what didn't come out in the juice; on the other, the

> juice must be much more concentrated.

>

> What volume of undiluted garlic juice is equivalent to one

regular-size clove?

Your wish is my command: I just juiced a 2 1/2 " head of garlic

containing

12 cloves in the twin gear juicer and came up with four teaspoons of

garlic juice.

> Also, to what volume should I dilute the garlic juice, and what is a

> safe dose? I know that one or two cloves 3x/day seems fine for me,

> but I have no idea what this is in garlic *juice*.

>

> Also, does the therapeutic and antimicrobial (especially antifungal)

> capacity of garlic juice decline over time? Can it be saved in the

> fridge or must it be used immediately?

Optimally, use it fresh; it degrades over time like any fresh juice.

Best to drink imediatemente.

Oxidation, I assume, is the main issue, so if you choose to store

some, keep it tight.

> I've decided, after my horrible experience eating lots of onions and

> garlic for dinner last night, to try to purge out all the inulin from

> my diet, so I'd like to juice garlic rather than consuming it whole to

> avoid the inulin.

Do you have a juicer?

B.

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>Your wish is my command: I just juiced a 2 1/2 " head of garlic

>containing

>12 cloves in the twin gear juicer and came up with four teaspoons of

>garlic juice.

Did you peel the garlic first?

-

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On 9/9/05, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> , , or someone else who knows--

>

> When juicing garlic, on the one hand, a lot of components must get

> left behind with what didn't come out in the juice; on the other, the

> juice must be much more concentrated.

It most certainly is.

> What volume of undiluted garlic juice is equivalent to one regular-size clove?

>

> Also, to what volume should I dilute the garlic juice, and what is a

> safe dose? I know that one or two cloves 3x/day seems fine for me,

> but I have no idea what this is in garlic *juice*.

I don't know what the actual volume is but juicing 2-4 large cloves

should be just fine. You can play around with the dosage just don't do

what stupid me did once and juice a whole BULB of garlic at once and

drank it. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO :-)

You want to find something to use as a carrier. I was using a homemade

V8 style juice but I'm not sure it really matters much but you should

mix it with something, maybe ginger juice.

> Also, does the therapeutic and antimicrobial (especially antifungal)

> capacity of garlic juice decline over time? Can it be saved in the

> fridge or must it be used immediately?

Don't save juice of any kind unless you have a industrial type food

saver. The drop in effectiveness is pretty quick. Drink it

immediately.

> I've decided, after my horrible experience eating lots of onions and

> garlic for dinner last night, to try to purge out all the inulin from

> my diet, so I'd like to juice garlic rather than consuming it whole to

> avoid the inulin.

>

> Chris

I would be very interested in hearing how the juice works it. From my

limited experience, garlic, ginger, and honey used properly make it

unnecessary to resort to drug type anti-fungals.

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> Did you peel the garlic first?

,

I peeled the external layers off the head to free up all the cloves; I

trimmed the tough ends off the cloves, but there was still a single

layer of paper-y skin on each clove. I just did it as an experiment,

someone brought over a conventionally-grown head of garlic last night.

B.

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> I would be very interested in hearing how the juice works it. From my

> limited experience, garlic, ginger, and honey used properly make it

> unnecessary to resort to drug type anti-fungals.

>

,

This is also my inclination, based on next-to-nil experience.

B.

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On 9/10/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> -

>

> >Your wish is my command: I just juiced a 2 1/2 " head of garlic

> >containing

> >12 cloves in the twin gear juicer and came up with four teaspoons of

> >garlic juice.

>

> Did you peel the garlic first?

Just the " paper " on the outside.

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" Twenty years ago I was an extreme right-wing

Republican, a young and lone 'Neanderthal'

(as the liberals used to call us) who believed,

as one friend pungently put it, that 'Senator

Taft had sold out to the socialists. Today,

I am most likely to be called an extreme leftist,

since I favor immediate withdrawal from

Vietnam, denounce U.S. imperialism, advocate

Black Power and have just joined the new

Peace and Freedom Party. And yet my basic

political views have not changed by a single

iota in these two decades! "

Murray Rothbard

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On 9/10/05, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

> > Did you peel the garlic first?

>

> Just the " paper " on the outside.

>

>

It has been brought to my attention that what I said and what

said sound different. Actually we are saying the same thing just

describing it differently. I just peel the stuff on the outside and

just the rest. To much work otherwise and unnecessary.

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On 9/10/05, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

> On 9/10/05, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

>

> > > Did you peel the garlic first?

> >

> > Just the " paper " on the outside.

> >

> >

>

> It has been brought to my attention that what I said and what

> said sound different. Actually we are saying the same thing just

> describing it differently. I just peel the stuff on the outside and

> just the rest. To much work otherwise and unnecessary.

>

>

> --

> " Pleasure is a nutrient "

>

> Mati Senerchia

>

That should be JUICE the rest, LOL

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On 9/10/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> > What volume of undiluted garlic juice is equivalent to one

> regular-size clove?

>

> Your wish is my command: I just juiced a 2 1/2 " head of garlic

> containing

> 12 cloves in the twin gear juicer and came up with four teaspoons of

> garlic juice.

Thanks! :-) But I think you misunderstood me: what's the equivalency

in terms of medicinal value? In other words, if I was consuming four

cloves a day, should I assume this is roughly equal to 1.3 tsp of the

juice, or, given the stuff left behind, more than that?

I just want to make sure that I'm not, on the one hand, reducing the

benefit I get, and on the other, taking an unsafe dose.

I guess a better way to ask the question is: if you were to use a

strong and effective but safe dosage of garlic juice, what dose would

you use?

By the way, when I take the garlic juice, it's like I feel it

immediately penetrating through my whole body with some kind of

warmth.

> Optimally, use it fresh; it degrades over time like any fresh juice.

> Best to drink imediatemente.

> Oxidation, I assume, is the main issue, so if you choose to store

> some, keep it tight.

Ok. I have some from yesterday still, but after that I'll only juice

for the day. I'm afriad, though, that there will be much higher loss

if I juice much less at one time. For example, juicing one clove at a

time probably has a high loss rate.

> Do you have a juicer?

Yup. I'm using my mom's Juiceman 2000.

Chris

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,

So 2-4 cloves at *one time*? Is this safe to use 3 times per day, or

is that excessive?

I'm confused about the peeling. Are you saying you peel the stuff

that separates the bulb but not the stuff on each clove? Or are you

saying you peel what comes off real easily on each clove, but not what

you need to cut with a knife?

What I've been doing is cutting the ends of each clove and running a

straight cut through one side of the clove and peeling off the whole

peel/skin with my fingernails, as if I were to eat the garlic without

juicing.

Of course, if any of this work is unnecessary, I'm happy to not do it!

Chris

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On 9/10/05, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> Thanks! :-) But I think you misunderstood me: what's the equivalency

> in terms of medicinal value? In other words, if I was consuming four

> cloves a day, should I assume this is roughly equal to 1.3 tsp of the

> juice, or, given the stuff left behind, more than that?

>

> I just want to make sure that I'm not, on the one hand, reducing the

> benefit I get, and on the other, taking an unsafe dose.

It has been awhile since I read Dr. Jensen's book, Garlic's Healing

Powers, but I think you a ways from an unsafe dose and I think the

safety issue has more to do with taking a LOT over a long period of

time. You might want to check his book out and maybe chase down some

studies if this is a concern to you.

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Oh, and so what quantity of ginger should I use? Say I'm to make a

shot of juice and drink it immediately. I add two cloves of garlic,

and how many-- inches?-- of ginger?

Should I then dilute it with water or juice?

Thanks!

Chris

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On 9/10/05, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

> It has been awhile since I read Dr. Jensen's book, Garlic's Healing

> Powers, but I think you a ways from an unsafe dose and I think the

> safety issue has more to do with taking a LOT over a long period of

> time. You might want to check his book out and maybe chase down some

> studies if this is a concern to you.

The main concern I was thinking of was the blood-thinning effect. I

don't know how potent it is. I don't want internal bleeding, though I

would guess I'm not even coming close to that. However, if you were

suggesting using 2-4 cloves per shot, and then taking that a few times

a day, that's a lot more garlic than I was using before, so I wasn't

sure.

Chris

>

> --

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>

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On 9/10/05, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> So 2-4 cloves at *one time*? Is this safe to use 3 times per day, or

> is that excessive?

I used to do it a couple of times a day without any apparent issues. I

would start there and then maybe work up if you feel you need to do it

more intensely. When I do liver cleanses I use 5 cloves of garlic *all

at once* (ugh, but Suze loves the stuff). Again, I don't recall the

specifics but I think you have to be really up there for quite awhile

to have problems with garlic.

> I'm confused about the peeling. Are you saying you peel the stuff

> that separates the bulb but not the stuff on each clove? Or are you

> saying you peel what comes off real easily on each clove, but not what

> you need to cut with a knife?

If it comes off easily, it goes. That means the stuff that separates

the bulb. The skin on the clove comes off easily if she smash the

clove with the palm of your hand on a cutting board. Then the skin

from the clove comes right off. Otherwise if you don't want to be

bothered you can throw the clove with the skin right into the juicer.

I just tested the techniquue in my kitchen and it works <g>

> What I've been doing is cutting the ends of each clove and running a

> straight cut through one side of the clove and peeling off the whole

> peel/skin with my fingernails, as if I were to eat the garlic without

> juicing.

>

> Of course, if any of this work is unnecessary, I'm happy to not do it!

Ditch the knife. If you want to peel the clove smash it and the skin

will peel right off. Juice away.

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On 9/10/05, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> Oh, and so what quantity of ginger should I use? Say I'm to make a

> shot of juice and drink it immediately. I add two cloves of garlic,

> and how many-- inches?-- of ginger?

>

> Should I then dilute it with water or juice?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Chris

An inch maybe. There are no hard and fast rules. Just whatever it

takes to get it down. I would dilute it with water but not too much

unless you like the taste of the drink, otherwise you will have a hard

time getting it down

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[Guest guest]

>

> > > What volume of undiluted garlic juice is equivalent to one

> > regular-size clove?

> Thanks! :-) But I think you misunderstood me:

I suppose I was reading literally...

what's the equivalency

> in terms of medicinal value? In other words, if I was consuming four

> cloves a day, should I assume this is roughly equal to 1.3 tsp of the

> juice, or, given the stuff left behind, more than that?

>

> I just want to make sure that I'm not, on the one hand, reducing the

> benefit I get, and on the other, taking an unsafe dose.

>

> I guess a better way to ask the question is: if you were to use a

> strong and effective but safe dosage of garlic juice, what dose would

> you use?

Eh, I don't use garlic, it's too..stimulating; too earthy and

aphrodisiacal (woo-hoo!) for this girl.

Okay, _Planetary Herbology_ says, " A single dose is 3-5 cloves in

infusion or taken raw. This is taken three to six times a day until

the problem is resolved. "

Dosage as a tonic is 3-6 grams.

_Yoga of Herbs_ says 100-500 mg powder and indicates juice but not how

much.

Containdications: Hyperacidity and too much heat in the blood. So

look out for rashes or redness or increased eczema, I'd *guess*.

> By the way, when I take the garlic juice, it's like I feel it

> immediately penetrating through my whole body with some kind of

> warmth.

eggzackly. Bonus: it increases sperm.

>

> > Optimally, use it fresh; it degrades over time like any fresh juice.

> > Best to drink imediatemente.

> > Oxidation, I assume, is the main issue, so if you choose to store

> > some, keep it tight.

>

> Ok. I have some from yesterday still, but after that I'll only juice

> for the day. I'm afriad, though, that there will be much higher loss

> if I juice much less at one time. For example, juicing one clove at a

> time probably has a high loss rate.

>

> > Do you have a juicer?

>

> Yup. I'm using my mom's Juiceman 2000.

So you may get a lower output than I got, and also be better served

trimming it up and peeling since you don't have gears to macerate the

heck outta it. Or just use more as insurance if you're so inclined.

Or maybe the twin gears isn't all that.

B.

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>

> > Oh, and so what quantity of ginger should I use? Say I'm to make a

> > shot of juice and drink it immediately. I add two cloves of garlic,

> > and how many-- inches?-- of ginger?

> >

> > Should I then dilute it with water or juice?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Chris

>

> An inch maybe. There are no hard and fast rules. Just whatever it

> takes to get it down. I would dilute it with water but not too much

> unless you like the taste of the drink, otherwise you will have a hard

> time getting it down

I'd use about a teaspoon of ginger juice (probably about an inch of

root) in honey--and maybe some lime juice--as a carrier.

B.

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On 9/10/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> > An inch maybe. There are no hard and fast rules. Just whatever it

> > takes to get it down. I would dilute it with water but not too much

> > unless you like the taste of the drink, otherwise you will have a hard

> > time getting it down

>

> I'd use about a teaspoon of ginger juice (probably about an inch of

> root) in honey--and maybe some lime juice--as a carrier.

> B.

" How could you??? "

/, who ducks while " I will never be cool " Blazey attempts to

cyberslam him for neglecting to mention honey as a carrier.

//whew! that was close...

///ouch, i think she connected.

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[Guest guest]

Chris-

>Oh, and so what quantity of ginger should I use? Say I'm to make a

>shot of juice and drink it immediately. I add two cloves of garlic,

>and how many-- inches?-- of ginger?

For whatever it is or isn't worth, I typically drink a tablespoon of ginger

juice straight with each meal. I haven't tried juicing garlic yet, but I

might just mix some into the ginger juice. I have a vacuum sealer, so I

vacuum-seal a pint mason jar of juice after each use.

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So I've been getting in touch with my masochistic side by going along

with this garlic juicing idea...

Are there any contraindications with respect to physical activity?

Garlic contains an ACE inhibitor that apparently can be of

pharmaceutical effectiveness. I don't know what the contraindications

of pharmaceutical ACE inhibitors are, but I'm guessing anything that

lowers blood pressure might be no good to combine with intense

physical activity?

I went to the gym for the first time since my fast (although I've done

kettlebells since then, though not since starting my antifungals), and

I felt pretty worn out and didn't complete my workout, though I have

no idea if the garlic played a role.

I've been juicing 4 or 5 cloves with 1-3 inches of ginger. It

generally makes me feel kind of sick and incapacitated for a minute or

two, and then everything normalizes. It's strong stuff! I'm doing

this 2-3 times a day. I can't imagine doing it SIX times a day, like

one of the dosing recommendations mentioned. This last dose I

cut down to 3 cloves and I might keep it there.

Garlic seems like a good idea with respect to dieoff and liver

toxicity, because unlike other antifungals that might put an

additional burden on the liver, garlic is apparently a potent liver

detoxifier and heavily increases glutathione levels. Judging by proxy

parameters, I'd guess that it is correct that it raises sperm levels.

Chris

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On 9/10/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> Eh, I don't use garlic, it's too..stimulating; too earthy and

> aphrodisiacal (woo-hoo!) for this girl.

Hmmm...I wonder if this why the Church Fathers say not to mess around

with the stuff during the Church fasts.

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[Guest guest]

>

> > ... garlic, it's too..stimulating; too earthy and

> > aphrodisiacal

>

> Hmmm...I wonder if this why the Church Fathers say not to mess around

> with the stuff during the Church fasts.

>

,

Undoubtedly. There is some dispute about its attributes but all

parties debating agree it is " grounding " and stimulating/irritating to

the reproductive organs. The debate is whether it is more " dulling of

the senses " or " inciting of the passions " . Mess around?

So, observed any increase in sperm?

B.

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On 9/16/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> Undoubtedly. There is some dispute about its attributes but all

> parties debating agree it is " grounding " and stimulating/irritating to

> the reproductive organs.

*Irritating* to the reproductive organs? What does that mean?

I find it *irritating* to my stomach! Cloves are all different sizes,

but I'm essentially juicing equal volumes of ginger and garlic

(without paying much attention to eactness) using 3 or 4 cloves at a

time. What I find is that if it only fills up a half of a shot glass,

I'm fine. But if it fills up more than half of the shot glass, then

after about 20 seconds I feel sick to my stomach and like sickness

extends into my whole body and I need to sit down and breath, and then

it goes away after 1-2 minutes.

That might sound a little exaggerated. It really doesn't bother me

much. But it's powerful stuff!

> The debate is whether it is more " dulling of

> the senses " or " inciting of the passions " . Mess around?

It seems to do both if I'm catching that correctly. I tried going to

the gym this week, but I'm so weak, and I've felt kind of spaced out

when I'm there. I wonder if that, in part, is because of the 12

cloves of garlic juice I'm taking per day? All this stuff is really

helping my digestive system it seems but it definitely takes its toll

on competency and whatnot.

> So, observed any increase in sperm?

I don't count my sperm or anything, but there's a noticeable increase in libido.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

> *Irritating* to the reproductive organs? What does that mean?

Like a touch/tickle is stimulating but can in turn be irritating.

A matter of degree.

> I find it *irritating* to my stomach! Cloves are all different sizes,

> but I'm essentially juicing equal volumes of ginger and garlic

> (without paying much attention to eactness) using 3 or 4 cloves at a

> time. What I find is that if it only fills up a half of a shot glass,

> I'm fine. But if it fills up more than half of the shot glass, then

> after about 20 seconds I feel sick to my stomach and like sickness

> extends into my whole body and I need to sit down and breath, and then

> it goes away after 1-2 minutes.

>

> That might sound a little exaggerated. It really doesn't bother me

> much. But it's powerful stuff!

Are you using more than a teaspoon or so of ginger juice? Are you

adding honey and/or lime juice? I don't know what might result, but

it might be worth tweaking a bit.

> > The debate is whether it is more " dulling of

> > the senses " or " inciting of the passions " .

>

> It seems to do both if I'm catching that correctly. I tried going to

> the gym this week, but I'm so weak, and I've felt kind of spaced out

> when I'm there. I wonder if that, in part, is because of the 12

> cloves of garlic juice I'm taking per day? All this stuff is really

> helping my digestive system it seems but it definitely takes its toll

> on competency and whatnot.

Re: semantics, " dulling of the senses " would be more *stupefied* than

" spaced out " , which, by definition has an--uh oh-- " etheric " quality.

Stupor has an " earth " quality, a reduced sensibility, eventually

leading to torpor.

I'm unsure which you mean when you say spaced out, but, in herbal

medicine lore, garlic is not known for it's ability to increase

" spaciness " .

> I don't count my sperm or anything, but there's a noticeable

increase in libido.

Well, are those details any less relevant to NN than bowel accounts?

B.