RE: Replacement for coffee

March 23, 2005

> I'm afraid I've got to disagree with you there. Coconut milk most

> definitely does have carbohydrate, WFN's labeling

> notwithstanding. (They're going to get in trouble for that sooner

or later

> if they don't change it.)

,

Yo, I just checked Fitday and indeed, it does say 13.3 grams with 5.28

grams fiber per cup fresh made coconut milk. Oops. Damn WFN and their

shenanigoats!

Pardon me, please.

I still submit it's a reasonable experiment for Pratick (unless you

say it's not, heh)

B.

March 23, 2005

> OK, I am willing to give it a try

> What's the easiest time-saving way of making coconut milk?

> Grind the coconut water and meat in a blender?

> Or use normal water instead of the coconut water to keep the sugar

content down?

Pratick,

Buy it in a can? Actually, for you, coconut cream would be even

better--less carbs.

If you want the burden of making it, here:

http://www.davidscooking.com/tipsandtech/coconutmilk/coconutmilk.html

B.

March 23, 2005

>

> > Or use normal water instead of the coconut water to keep the sugar

> content down?

Pratick,

Yes, if you make it yourself, *don't* add the coconut water from the

coconut to the milk you extract from the flesh if you wish to keep

down the sugar content.

Ignore that part of the instruction in the link I sent.

B.

/clown-sized foot in mouth

March 23, 2005

> As others have said, it doesn't sound like a replacement for coffee

though

>

> I'll give it a try and report back.

Pratick,

I guess I don't know what you are looking for. Short of an

alternative central nervous stimulant, you are not going to find a

satisfactory replacement for coffee AFAIK.

I understood you are experiencing a drop/lack of energy at 10:00 AM

when you eat a 6 AM breakfast and are looking for a way to overcome it

because you wished to give up your customary coffee with a teaspoon of

sugar.

If you wish to keep your blood sugar levels steady and avoid the drop

in the first place, I suggest coconut milk, cream or vco in some sort

of warm beverage form.

If you want the jolt, drink coffee and enjoy it ;-)

B.

March 23, 2005

I have chosen to believe that strong coffee is good for me. And I need more

(organic, free trade) when I get home to counteract the Starbuck's double

espresso that I grab at work. then I need some Chimay to counteract that...

>

> > As others have said, it doesn't sound like a replacement for coffee

> though

> >

> > I'll give it a try and report back.

>

> Pratick,

> I guess I don't know what you are looking for. Short of an

> alternative central nervous stimulant, you are not going to find a

> satisfactory replacement for coffee AFAIK.

>

> I understood you are experiencing a drop/lack of energy at 10:00 AM

> when you eat a 6 AM breakfast and are looking for a way to overcome it

> because you wished to give up your customary coffee with a teaspoon of

> sugar.

>

> If you wish to keep your blood sugar levels steady and avoid the drop

> in the first place, I suggest coconut milk, cream or vco in some sort

> of warm beverage form.

>

> If you want the jolt, drink coffee and enjoy it ;-)

> B.

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> Message: 66700 From: implode7@c... Received: Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:45 AM

> Subject: Re: Replacement for coffee

>

> I'd be incredulous if most people reported that coconut milk

> gave them an energy 'boost'.

I keep hearing that the medium chain fats in coconut oil are ready to be

used nearly immediately by the body for energy instead of having to go

through the normal lengthy process of digesting longer chain fats.

Perhaps any fiber left over from making the coconut milk could

be slowing digestion. I don't know but just hazarding a guess.

Darrell

March 23, 2005

> Yo, I just checked Fitday and indeed, it does say 13.3 grams with 5.28

> grams fiber per cup fresh made coconut milk. Oops. Damn WFN and their

> shenanigoats! -

Are those carbs digestible or indigestible by humans? Also I wonder if

the CN milk was made with the liquid endosperm (CN juice) or with

plain water.

Darrell

March 23, 2005

I certainly haven't followed this whole thread (since I just joined

the group last night)but this has caught my eye. I belong to the

discussingNT and kefir_making and Raw Dairy and joining

NN was a natural extension for me. Thanks for having me everyone!!

About the coffee subs: I had always been a coffee drinker and was

way addicted to my mid morning cup - my afternoon cup and my after

dinner cup. Some days it was an all day cup toward the end.

Gosh, I darn near owned Starbucks (there's a drive thru 1 block from

my house!!) However, in 2003 I decided to give up caffeinne and

sugar. They were doing a nasty number on me and my life and

personality, I knew it but hated to admit it. What I found was that

after I got my body over the need for the caffeinne, I didn't have

those mid morning and mid afternoon dips or lows anymore - that

wasn't just hte absence of hte coffee, but the addition of healthy

snack and drinks. My blood sugar will still go low if I wait 6

hours between meals. But I don't htink that has anything to do with

a need for coffee. It is a way for hte body to tell you it needs

food. Caffeinne only serves to perpetuate the cycle of screwing up

your endocrine system. It stimulates rises in blood sugar which

makes you crave a pick me up. You succumb to that and then the

cycle starts all over. I cannot tell you how much better I feel

overall since breaking that cycle. Worlds apart from how I used to

feel.

What I would suggest would be a tall glass of kefir and/or a piece

of cheese, maybo some roasted nuts or piece of fruit. The low is an

indication that the body needs fuel not a stimulant; protein and

carbs to pick itself up without the caffeinne would be the best

choice... Go ahead, try it out.

That said, I can't guarantee that it will be easy. Some poeple's

bodies are addicted to caffeinne in a similar manner to how people

are addicted to alcohol or drugs. I experienced withdrawal

migraines for two weeks and to this day, if I have a cup of coffee

with full caffeinne, I have a horrible headache the next day if I

don't break down and indulge again. That easily starts the whole

cycle over again though, so I try to avoid it now. That has been a

hard lesson to learn.

Hope that gives you something to think about at least.

Healthy and happiness,

Wren in Texas

of

> >

> > > I think it is a warm beverage of some kind that I need at that

time.

> > > I've never had coconut milk, but I think it is sweet (like

coconut

> > water maybe)?

> > > If so, that might make it worse in the long run.

> >

> > Pratick,

> > Aur contraire, my good man, while coconut milk tastes sweet, it

has no

> > carbohydrate, and further, you can certainly warm it up--make a

milky

> > tea, for instance.

> >

> > It has the added benefit of seemingly steadying fluctuating blood

> > sugars and giving long-lasting energy.

> >

> > The only potential drawback I can see in your situation is if you

> > didn't like the taste of it.

> > B.

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March 23, 2005

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" downwardog7 " <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> If you want the burden of making it, here:

>

> http://www.davidscooking.com/tipsandtech/coconutmilk/coconutmilk.html

>

I have actually made my own. Pretty tasty. And if you want coconut cream

just let the resulting liquid sit for a few hours and then skim the fat

off the top.

Armed with the tools from WFN, it looks like making coconut milk isn't

really much of a labor.

I look forward to the day when I press my own olive oil.

The sinews of war, a limitless supply of money.

Cicero (106-43 B.C.), Roman orator, philosopher.

Philippics, Oration 5, sct. 5.

March 24, 2005

Pratick-

>But the issue is making the breakfast last almost 6 hrs. - from 6 till

>almost 12

>(sometimes over).

>Most people (me included) start to fee hungry after 4+ hrs. regardless of

>how big a meal

>you've had.

It's not just size, though, but composition. When I have some yoghurt

(homemade yoghurt cream, actually, not made with any milk) it'll last me a

pretty good amount of time if I put little or no fermented blueberry

concentrate in it, but if I put enough concentrate for ideal flavor, even

though the yoghurt itself is basically pure fat, it doesn't carry me nearly

as long.

-

March 24, 2005

Pratick-

>I have tried coconut cream from TT.

>Didn't like it much, especially at first.

What they call coconut cream is anything but. It's more like peanut

butter, but extremely dense and fibrous. You can get real coconut cream

from WFN, but it's packed in plastic-lined tetra packs and has guar

gum. They keep talking about coming out with a completely additive-free

coconut cream, but it has yet to happen. (And for quite awhile they

insisted their tetra pack cream was additive-free. Though I'm glad they

exist, this business of not disclosing ingredients is becoming a pattern

with them, so I'm reluctantly distrustful.) They do sell a coconut milk

that they insist is completely additive-free, and it's in glass too, so you

can just keep it in a warm place and then skim the cream off when it

separates (and it's DELICIOUS) but because they're using narrow-necked

glass bottles, actually getting the cream out can be very challenging. I

can't figure out why they don't just use jars. It's ridiculous.

-

March 24, 2005

Darrell-

> > Yo, I just checked Fitday and indeed, it does say 13.3 grams with 5.28

> > grams fiber per cup fresh made coconut milk. Oops. Damn WFN and their

> > shenanigoats! -

>

>Are those carbs digestible or indigestible by humans? Also I wonder if

>the CN milk was made with the liquid endosperm (CN juice) or with

>plain water.

Any carbs not listed as fiber are metabolically available, though in some

cases of course they feed biota in the gut rather than than the person

eating them, and in some people fiber is attacked by gut biota and then

becomes metabolically available to the host.

-

March 24, 2005

[Pratick-]

>I have tried coconut cream from TT.

>Didn't like it much, especially at first.

[] What they call coconut cream is anything but. It's more like peanut

butter, but extremely dense and fibrous.

Thanks. I keep meaning to ask about the TT Coconut cream. It's just coconut

oil but with more meat and fiber in it? I used it to make almond bread

thinking it might make the bread more fibrous than the regular Coconut oil I

was using but I couldn't really tell any difference. I suppose one would

only use it if they wanted to increase fiber? Why else?

~Robin

Ps. By the way, on these posts, am I doing the " quotes " thingies right? I'm

experimenting...

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