RE: Replacement for coffee

[Guest guest]

> Greetings,

>

> I am looking for an NT style beverage that can replace my morning

cup of Java.

> I usually experience a mid-morning dip around 10:00 or so and can't

find anything else to

> reach for other than coffee.

> I normally have a pretty decent breakfast, comprising 3 eggs, bacon,

and kefir - so I

> shouldn't be feeling the mid morning dip.

> Trouble is - I have to breakfast at around 6 in the morning and by

10, I feel the dip.

Pratick,

Ross says to take L-Tyrosine to give up coffee jonesing, but

the timing may not work for you, as you would take it when you wake

up, on an empty stomach. It does perk one up and incease focus, but

can get to be too stimulating for some. You could try some at 10:00,

if your stomach seems empty by then, and see if it worked.

How about some nice tea with a spoonful of vco? Coconut milk chai?

B.

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My husband has replaced our coffee with two " teas " which aren't really teas.

Numi Red Mellow Bush (Rooibos Herbal Teasan) which is 100% organic.

http://www.herbnet.com/Herb%20Uses_RST.htm (check under " rooibos " )

It has some amazing properties which can be discovered through simple web

searches.

http://www.matrixmasters.com/blog/sciencearchive/2004_09_01_archivescience.h

tml September 14, 2004 article

The other is Guayaki Yerba Mate which gives a great energy boost without

caffeine - also 100% organic. They can be ordered online, through buying

co-ops, at your local " health food " store, etc.

Sharon, NH

> Greetings,

>

> I am looking for an NT style beverage that can replace my morning

cup of Java.

> I usually experience a mid-morning dip around 10:00 or so and can't

find anything else to

> reach for other than coffee.

[Guest guest]

Pratick-

Funny you should bring this up now. Despite all my misgivings, I've

recently had to take up coffee again, because I have a project that

absolutely must be done well and on time, and my health simply isn't good

enough yet to allow it without coffee. A rather dismal state of affairs,

but no alternatives I've tried in the past have worked, and while my health

is slowly improving, I can't wait. So I just hope that carefully

minimizing my caffeine consumption, using organic shade-grown coffee and

quality cream, and doing everything else right, will mitigate against the

damage.

If you can't find a replacement, is it possible to make your own coffee at

work, or to make it at home and bring it to work with you in a

thermos? Caffeine may or may not be really bad news, but the pesticides

saturated conventional coffee definitely are. That way you could use

quality dairy, too.

>I usually experience a mid-morning dip around 10:00 or so and can't find

>anything else to

>reach for other than coffee.

>I know it is the worst possible thing - commercial coffee, loaded with

>sugar and

>pasteurized cream.

>

>But I need a replacement.

>

>I normally have a pretty decent breakfast, comprising 3 eggs, bacon, and

>kefir - so I

>shouldn't be feeling the mid morning dip.

>Trouble is - I have to breakfast at around 6 in the morning and by 10, I

>feel the dip.

>

>I need something that will chase away the blues and keep me going till

>lunch - another 2

>hrs. away

-

[Guest guest]

How about a cup of hot beef or chicken stock?

deb

-----Original Message-----

From: Pratick Mukherjee [mailto:pratickmukherjee@...]

I am looking for an NT style beverage that can replace my morning cup of

Java.

I usually experience a mid-morning dip around 10:00 or so and can't find

anything else to

reach for other than coffee.

[Guest guest]

> How about a cup of hot beef or chicken stock?

I have a cup of hot chicken stock first thing whenever I've got some on

the stove, with a big pat of butter. I always feel a lot better when I

do this.

Lynn S.

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[Guest guest]

Dandy Blend or Faux Joe are nice. I like Dandy Blend better.

---Carol

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--- Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Funny you should bring this up now. Despite all my misgivings, I've

> recently had to take up coffee again, because I have a project that

> absolutely must be done well and on time [snip]

Welcome to the club !

Near as I can figure, the topmost components of the coffee are - the coffee

itself, hot

water, milk/cream and sugar.

If coffee [temporarily] takes care of the mid-morning dip, it must be one of

these 4

components.

I have tried drinking hot water by itself, and that doesn't do it.

Neither does warm milk, although it is soothing to the throat, especially on

winter

mornings.

I don't think that I am caffeine dependent for mood because the caffeine in soft

drinks

does nothing for me.

Also, tea doesn't create the same effect as coffee.

So I figure it must be the sugars.

Or something else in commercial coffee (maybe the additives and whatnot).

I think it's got to be the sugar because sugar affects mood like nothing else.

Sugar can create the mood see-saws that most people experience in the modern

world

without realising what is causing it.

Although we have given up sugar (and processed carbs in general) in our

household for

almost 2 years now, I don't think our bodies have " rid " themselves of the sugar

dependency caused by 20 years of neglect.

And, of course, there is the occasional processed food that I haven't been able

to avoid

consuming (quick bites during meetings at work, fast food during business trips,

etc.).

Even the slightest deviation puts us back several steps and undoes a lot of good

work

done.

I wonder how long it actually takes, and what degree of discipline it demands,

to

completely rid the body of sugar dependency.

-Pratick

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Pratick-

>Welcome to the club !

Oh, I'm a member of the board, unfortunately.

>Near as I can figure, the topmost components of the coffee are - the

>coffee itself, hot

>water, milk/cream and sugar.

A reasonable breakdown.

>I don't think that I am caffeine dependent for mood because the caffeine

>in soft drinks

>does nothing for me.

What kind of soft drinks? You might be getting a lot less caffeine if you

don't drink a much larger volume of soda than coffee. And if you don't

drink diet soda, you'll most likely be getting a lot more sugar, too.

>Also, tea doesn't create the same effect as coffee.

Tea also has a lot less caffeine, and it's usually not actually caffeine

either.

>So I figure it must be the sugars.

>Or something else in commercial coffee (maybe the additives and whatnot).

That doesn't fit for me, because I use pure saccharine to sweeten my coffee

and I also use organic, shadegrown coffee, since I'm making it at

home. (Plus unbleached filters, filtered water, etc.)

>I think it's got to be the sugar because sugar affects mood like nothing else.

>Sugar can create the mood see-saws that most people experience in the

>modern world

>without realising what is causing it.

The easy way to test this would be to use artificial sweeteners just for a

day or two. I think you'll find it's not the sugar, though I could be

wrong, since different people are different. Then you could try decaf with

sugar and see if it does the trick. I doubt it would.

-

[Guest guest]

Could it be a blood sugar dip? Perhaps something sweet like a banana might

help.

Sorry if this was already suggested.

Irene

At 10:53 AM 3/21/2005, you wrote:

>--- Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> > Funny you should bring this up now. Despite all my misgivings, I've

> > recently had to take up coffee again, because I have a project that

> > absolutely must be done well and on time [snip]

>

>Welcome to the club !

>

>Near as I can figure, the topmost components of the coffee are - the

>coffee itself, hot

>water, milk/cream and sugar.

>

>If coffee [temporarily] takes care of the mid-morning dip, it must be one

>of these 4

>components.

>

>I have tried drinking hot water by itself, and that doesn't do it.

>Neither does warm milk, although it is soothing to the throat, especially

>on winter

>mornings.

>

>I don't think that I am caffeine dependent for mood because the caffeine

>in soft drinks

>does nothing for me.

>Also, tea doesn't create the same effect as coffee.

>

>So I figure it must be the sugars.

>Or something else in commercial coffee (maybe the additives and whatnot).

>

>I think it's got to be the sugar because sugar affects mood like nothing else.

>Sugar can create the mood see-saws that most people experience in the

>modern world

>without realising what is causing it.

>

>Although we have given up sugar (and processed carbs in general) in our

>household for

>almost 2 years now, I don't think our bodies have " rid " themselves of the

>sugar

>dependency caused by 20 years of neglect.

>

>And, of course, there is the occasional processed food that I haven't been

>able to avoid

>consuming (quick bites during meetings at work, fast food during business

>trips, etc.).

>

>Even the slightest deviation puts us back several steps and undoes a lot

>of good work

>done.

>

>I wonder how long it actually takes, and what degree of discipline it

>demands, to

>completely rid the body of sugar dependency.

>

>-Pratick

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Irene-

>Could it be a blood sugar dip? Perhaps something sweet like a banana might

>help.

>Sorry if this was already suggested.

Treating hypoglycemia with sugar is very harmful in the long run, though

for many people it can be effective at the time.

-

[Guest guest]

Yeah, But treating it with Coffee with sugar is worse. So if he tolerated

that then I figure a banana might work. But if is blood sugar then he'd

have to experiment a bit to find out what would work. I was in a hurry so I

didn't type that. I just figured I'd mention blood sugar as a different way

to look at the issue and see if it fits.

Irene

At 01:23 PM 3/21/2005, you wrote:

>Irene-

>

> >Could it be a blood sugar dip? Perhaps something sweet like a banana might

> >help.

> >Sorry if this was already suggested.

>

>Treating hypoglycemia with sugar is very harmful in the long run, though

>for many people it can be effective at the time.

>

>

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Irene-

>Yeah, But treating it with Coffee with sugar is worse.

True, but I think Pratick'd do better to eat more fat if it's a blood sugar

issue. That might help him kick the coffee, whereas sugar will just

perpetuate the cycle.

-

[Guest guest]

If it works for him great. That just doesn't do it for me. I usually need

something to get the blood sugar up fast and then follow up with fat and

protein otherwise I just continue to drag. That is why I said he'd have to

experiment to see what works.

Irene

At 01:56 PM 3/21/2005, you wrote:

>Irene-

>

> >Yeah, But treating it with Coffee with sugar is worse.

>

>True, but I think Pratick'd do better to eat more fat if it's a blood sugar

>issue. That might help him kick the coffee, whereas sugar will just

>perpetuate the cycle.

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From: " Pratick Mukherjee " <pratickmukherjee@...>

> Correct, and unfortunately bananas are a very bad choice in this case.

> I don't have diabetes, but have symptoms of insulin resistence, which

> means most types of

> fruits are out of bounds for me.

> Sad because bananas are a great favourite and perhaps the only fruit I

> really love.

>

I found when I dropped the sugar and milk both, but separately that it takes

about a month to change the habit, catching yourself until it's automatic.

If you really want to replace the coffee (my hypoglycemic drop on workdays

mostly were at 3PM) you could try celery or apple with nuts or nut butter or

an avocado. Much better than the 3 PM candy bar or chocolate, even Mounds.

Wanita

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Irene-

>If it works for him great. That just doesn't do it for me. I usually need

>something to get the blood sugar up fast and then follow up with fat and

>protein otherwise I just continue to drag. That is why I said he'd have to

>experiment to see what works.

Yeah, sorry I wasn't clear. Eating fat after the crash won't necessarily

help him, though it does sometimes help me. Eating more fat *before* the

crash may well prevent it from ever happening in the first place.

-

[Guest guest]

Pratick-

>A typical banana today is a hundred times sweeter than the bananas from 50

>years ago (100

>being a number OTOMH - I don't have real figures).

Wow, that's pretty substantial regardless of the exact number. Just goes

to show you that my position that a lot of modern food plants should

essentially be considered refined foods since they've been bred for such a

higher-than-natural sugar and starch content.

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Pratick-

>A breakfast of 3 eggs in butter, bacon, and a glass of kefir eaten at 8:00

>keeps me full,

>satisfied and alert until lunch at 12:30 or 1:00.

>A lunch of fish or lamb stew and I can work effeciently till dinner.

>

>All this gets screwed when I have to wake up before 6, breakfast at 6:30,

>ride 2 hrs. in

>the train and sit through boring meetings at work all day long )

>That's when I have to reach for the coffee !

Can you either eat a larger lunch on work mornings even though it's early

or take something with you?

-

[Guest guest]

--- Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Can you either eat a larger lunch on work mornings even though it's early

> or take something with you?

I have started eating a larger breakfast since the last couple of days, as well

as added

more meat to my boxed lunch.

But the issue is making the breakfast last almost 6 hrs. - from 6 till almost 12

(sometimes over).

Most people (me included) start to fee hungry after 4+ hrs. regardless of how

big a meal

you've had.

And when you add insulin resistence symtoms to the equation, you get the mid

morning or

late afternoon dip like the one I get.

I am trying - 2 days off the coffee so far !

The other thing I am going to try is some herbal [Ayurvedic] teas that can

apparently

help with the mid morning dip.

I'll post back what I find.

-Pratick

-Pratick

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> I am trying - 2 days off the coffee so far !

>

> The other thing I am going to try is some herbal [Ayurvedic] teas

that can apparently

> help with the mid morning dip.

> I'll post back what I find.

Pratick,

what about a cup of coconut milk at ten?

B.

[Guest guest]

--- downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> Pratick,

> what about a cup of coconut milk at ten?

> B.

I think it is a warm beverage of some kind that I need at that time.

I've never had coconut milk, but I think it is sweet (like coconut water maybe)?

If so, that might make it worse in the long run.

I have also been thinking about making a pro-biotic drink of my own at home -

maybe kvass

or kombucha - again the issue being the sweetness.

I carry a bottle of kefir but that doesn't replace the coffee need.

What I would *love* is kefir beer, but I don't think they'll let me have that at

work

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> I think it is a warm beverage of some kind that I need at that time.

> I've never had coconut milk, but I think it is sweet (like coconut

water maybe)?

> If so, that might make it worse in the long run.

Pratick,

Aur contraire, my good man, while coconut milk tastes sweet, it has no

carbohydrate, and further, you can certainly warm it up--make a milky

tea, for instance.

It has the added benefit of seemingly steadying fluctuating blood

sugars and giving long-lasting energy.

The only potential drawback I can see in your situation is if you

didn't like the taste of it.

B.

[Guest guest]

Haven't followed this entire thread....so maybe I'm missing something. I love

coconut milk, but surely it is not being suggested as an alternative for coffee?

Coconut milk gives me zero energy boost at all, whereas coffee does the trick.

I'd be incredulous if most people reported that coconut milk gave them an energy

'boost'. But then again, I am a leftist, and don't care for individual rights.

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> > I think it is a warm beverage of some kind that I need at that time.

> > I've never had coconut milk, but I think it is sweet (like coconut

> water maybe)?

> > If so, that might make it worse in the long run.

>

> Pratick,

> Aur contraire, my good man, while coconut milk tastes sweet, it has no

> carbohydrate, and further, you can certainly warm it up--make a milky

> tea, for instance.

>

> It has the added benefit of seemingly steadying fluctuating blood

> sugars and giving long-lasting energy.

>

> The only potential drawback I can see in your situation is if you

> didn't like the taste of it.

> B.

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--- downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> Pratick,

> Aur contraire, my good man, while coconut milk tastes sweet, it has no

> carbohydrate, and further, you can certainly warm it up--make a milky

> tea, for instance.

OK, I am willing to give it a try

What's the easiest time-saving way of making coconut milk?

Grind the coconut water and meat in a blender?

Or use normal water instead of the coconut water to keep the sugar content down?

Thanks,

Pratick

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>Aur contraire, my good man, while coconut milk tastes sweet, it has no

>carbohydrate, and further, you can certainly warm it up--make a milky

>tea, for instance.

I'm afraid I've got to disagree with you there. Coconut milk most

definitely does have carbohydrate, WFN's labeling

notwithstanding. (They're going to get in trouble for that sooner or later

if they don't change it.)

-

[Guest guest]

>

> Haven't followed this entire thread....so maybe I'm missing

something. I love coconut milk, but surely it is not being suggested

as an alternative for coffee? Coconut milk gives me zero energy boost

at all, whereas coffee does the trick. I'd be incredulous if most

people reported that coconut milk gave them an energy 'boost'. But

then again, I am a leftist, and don't care for individual rights.

Gene,

" It has the added benefit of seemingly steadying fluctuating blood

sugars and giving long-lasting energy. "

is not meant to imply an energy " boost " comparable to what one would

get from coffee.

B.