Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote: > IgA antigliadin tests, Is there a way to get this test without seeing a doctor? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 >> IgA antigliadin tests, > >Is there a way to get this test without seeing a doctor? > >Sandy You can get the tests done at York Labs or Enterolab. They are fairly pricey, but you don't have to go through a doctor. They send you a kit, you send back the sample. York labs uses a saliva test, Enterolab uses a stool test (likely more sensitive). The blood tests you can order direct too, but you have to have a local lab draw the blood and mail it in. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Heidi- >Not ALL of them will have it, but where the blood tests show 10% for the >average American, the subset of those with IBS will show, say, 40%, which >makes it logical to test for it. Now we perhaps get down to the heart of it. Sure, there's no reason (except money) not to test for it, but for those 60% of IBS *WITHOUT* it, they're up s**t creek if they listen to you objecting to the SCD and obsessively focusing on gluten. >Which is NOT the same thing as saying " gluten intolerance causes >everything " , which you seem to think I believe? I don't know what you believe and I'm not about to speculate. However, you're not called the " Glutenator " for nothing. The conclusion one is led to is that (a) BTVC and the SCD is wrong because it ignores gluten, and ( gluten is the only thing one should focus on. If that's unintentional, hey, fine, but that's the net impact of your oeuvre of posts. And so periodically I feel it's necessary to provide some corrective perspective, even though I have neither the time nor the energy to match your devotion to the topic. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 >>Which is NOT the same thing as saying " gluten intolerance causes >>everything " , which you seem to think I believe? >> >> > >I don't know what you believe and I'm not about to speculate. However, >you're not called the " Glutenator " for nothing. The conclusion one is led >to is that (a) BTVC and the SCD is wrong because it ignores gluten, and ( >gluten is the only thing one should focus on. If that's unintentional, >hey, fine, but that's the net impact of your oeuvre of posts. And so >periodically I feel it's necessary to provide some corrective perspective, >even though I have neither the time nor the energy to match your devotion >to the topic. > > > >- > The SCD may not really address gluten, but isn't it a gluten-free diet? Grains are not allowed. And since I dubbed our Helga, The Glutenator, I suppose I feel obliged to defend her, loyal subject that I am. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Deanna- >The SCD may not really address gluten, but isn't it a gluten-free diet? BTVC actually discusses gluten in some detail, and I'm probably going to post some excerpts when I get a bit of time, but yes, it is effectively a gluten-free diet. As Heidi and I have both observed. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 >The SCD may not really address gluten, but isn't it a gluten-free diet? >Grains are not allowed. And since I dubbed our Helga, The Glutenator, I >suppose I feel obliged to defend her, loyal subject that I am. > >Deanna It is, but the problem (for gluten intolerant folks, not for folks who just want/need " low " or " specific " carbs) is that folks who are truly gluten intolerant MUST address the " trace " level gluten that occurs routinely in foods that don't have " wheat " in them. I don't think Gottschall really believes this, from 's posts anyway, because she thinks the root cause of gluten intolerance is dysbiosis (and most of the gluten researchers believe the opposite). A lot of folks get " somewhat " better on a low-carb diet, Atkins for instance, then suddenly and inexplicably have a setback. Which they may discover years later, was due to gluten. And the amount of gluten may have been extremely minor, like the amount in some food supplements or flavorings. That, in fact, was what happened to me, on several diets. It was confusing as all getout. Hence, I say it's better to know at the outset if you have the " gluten " genes. Then if you want to be low-carb and experiment with your diet, you have more information to go on. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 >Now we perhaps get down to the heart of it. Sure, there's no reason >(except money) not to test for it, but for those 60% of IBS *WITHOUT* it, >they're up s**t creek if they listen to you objecting to the SCD and >obsessively focusing on gluten. First, I don't object to the SCD. I just object to relying on it exclusively. For instance, suppose there are 3 people. A. Has dysbiosis due to excessive carb ingestion. B. Has dysbiosis due to gluten intolerance. C. Has dysbiosis due to casein intolerance. Now, all 3 go on SCD because they liked the book. All three get better. A gets better, and eventually adds some carbs back in after a couple of years, and lives happily ever after. C gets worse after awhile, because of all the cheese and yogurt. So he drops out. B gets better, and soon feels great. Then he gets a girlfriend, who moves in and starts cooking pizza in his oven. He doesn't EAT the pizza (well, maybe a bite here and there!) but allergies being what they are, he starts having gut issues again. Gets real depressed. Figures it's anxiety about his girlfriend. From a purely scientific point of view, it would be better to know *what* caused the dysbiosis first, before going off trying to treat it. If you are SURE that ONLY carbs cause dysbiosis, then of course, testing is stupid. But I'm pretty sure carbs are NOT the only cause. > I don't know what you believe and I'm not about to speculate. However, >you're not called the " Glutenator " for nothing. The conclusion one is led >to is that (a) BTVC and the SCD is wrong because it ignores gluten, and ( >gluten is the only thing one should focus on. If that's unintentional, >hey, fine, but that's the net impact of your oeuvre of posts. And so >periodically I feel it's necessary to provide some corrective perspective, >even though I have neither the time nor the energy to match your devotion >to the topic. OK, fair enough ... the net impact of your posts seem to be that CARBS are at the root cause of everything which is why I reply. Gluten isn't the only problem, just the most common one that is easily eliminated as a cause if it isn't the cause, and I do try to say that there are other IgA allergies with very similar symptoms. And to be fair, I devote plenty of time and energy to kefir and kimchi too. Even made PDFs on them (there is no PDF about gluten ..). At least 10% of Americans have gluten intolerance. 1% to the point that it is provably going to shorten their life. It takes an average of 11 YEARS for them to get diagnosed, during which time they rack up amazing medical bills and get permanently damaged. The vast majority recovery completely with one simple dietary change. So yeah, it's something I'm going to mention. If no one tested for high blood pressure and folks were dying from strokes, I'd mention that too. > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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