RE: Question about Lard--Nanette

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Hi love,

> Are there any concerns about toxins/presticides that reside in the

> lard/tallow for non-pastured (or primarily grain fed) cattle? I'd like to

> know because I can get it for free but not pastured animals.

I'm concerned about that also. My hubby stopped by our local grocery store, and

asked

about lard, and the butcher kept making a point about whether or not it was a

" human "

who was going to be eating it. That made us nervous.

Renée

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>I'm concerned about that also. My hubby stopped by our local grocery store,

and asked

>about lard, and the butcher kept making a point about whether or not it was a

" human "

>who was going to be eating it. That made us nervous.

>

>Renée

One issue on lard and tallow is that, when the meat is hung, sometimes a bit

of mold forms on the surface. When I asked to get the fat from one animal

that was the issue the butcher had ... it can look pretty bad. It's not toxic

though,

and you can cut off the mold or dried spots (the dried spots don't hurt

anything,

they are just ugly).

Grass fed animals (esp. the Longhorn I get) have almost zero fat on the outside

of the carcass, rather than the 4+ inches that grain fed beef have. So all the

fat I got this time (LOTS) was from the inner carcass, which is quite different,

and also is easier to render.

Heidi Jean

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--- reborn1000 <reborn1000@...> wrote:

> I'm concerned about that also. My hubby stopped by our local grocery store,

and asked

> about lard, and the butcher kept making a point about whether or not it was a

" human "

> who was going to be eating it. That made us nervous.

OMG - just what the hell are we doing to ourselves and the rest of the earth

LOL, I think that most people have stopped rendering lard.

But there are some people that still do.

I guess with oil and shortening available they can't figure out

why you would want lard.

HTH

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[Guest guest]

Lard vs organic lard are two different beasts, so to speak. It depends on

how the animal was fed, etc. Short on time, so this isn't going to be a

detailed response, but we go the organic lard route. I believe the common

thinking is fat holds toxins, so why would you want to eat lard. Organic

lard is from an animal that doesn't have the " toxins " (antibiotics,

hormones, plus ton of other components from soy feed, etc.) so you won't

have the level of " problems " in non-organic lards. We buy ours locally

from an organic butcher shop.

Sharon, NH

Re: Question about Lard--Nanette

--- reborn1000 <reborn1000@...> wrote:

> I'm concerned about that also. My hubby stopped by our local grocery

store, and asked

> about lard, and the butcher kept making a point about whether or not it

was a " human "

> who was going to be eating it. That made us nervous.

OMG - just what the hell are we doing to ourselves and the rest of the earth

[Guest guest]

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Sharon son [mailto:sharon@...]

>

> Lard vs organic lard are two different beasts, so to speak.

> It depends on how the animal was fed, etc. Short on time, so

> this isn't going to be a detailed response, but we go the

> organic lard route. I believe the common thinking is fat

> holds toxins, so why would you want to eat lard. Organic

> lard is from an animal that doesn't have the " toxins "

> (antibiotics, hormones, plus ton of other components from soy

> feed, etc.) so you won't

> have the level of " problems " in non-organic lards. We buy

> ours locally from an organic butcher shop.

Do you know for a fact that " organic " pigs don't eat " organic " soy feed?

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>Do you know for a fact that " organic " pigs don't eat " organic " soy feed?

Organically raised pigs definitely do eat organic soy. Unfortunately, it's

very hard to find soy-free pork products.

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[Guest guest]

>

> From: " Sharon son " <sharon@...>

>Subject: RE: Question about Lard--Nanette

>

>Lard vs organic lard are two different beasts, so to speak.

And one thing to watch for in non-organic lards is that some of them

are HYDRONGENATED! Ugh...

--

Quick, USUM (ret.)

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Soy: what food eats.

[Guest guest]

High-5 . Absolutely good one to watch out for!!

Sharon, NH

> From: " Sharon son " <sharon@...>

>Subject: RE: Question about Lard--Nanette

>

>Lard vs organic lard are two different beasts, so to speak.

And one thing to watch for in non-organic lards is that some of them

are HYDRONGENATED! Ugh...

--

Quick, USUM (ret.)

www.en.com/users/jaquick

Soy: what food eats.

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Pratick-

>I am fuzzy about organic regulations - does " organic " mean non genetically

>modified/engineered?

>Or do the organic laws in North American leave room for labeling a

>genetically engineered

>product as " organic " as long as it was grown without the use of pesticides?

You know, I'm not honestly sure. I know some regional standards prohibit

GM foods, but I'm not sure about the latest national iteration.

>By an extension of the logic, can a genetically modified animal (sometime

>in the future)

>be labeled as organic as long as it was not injected with antibiotics and

>not given

>inorganic feed?

There'll probably be plenty of fighting over that.

>Since most of the soy (and a lot of the corn) in North America is supposed

>to be

>genetically doctored, where are they getting so much organic soy and corn

>to feed the

>organic chickens, hens (who lay the organic eggs) and other animals (who

>produce the

>organic meat)?

Well, even if the organic standard prohibits it, widespread GM

contamination probably means some is still sneaking in.

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Pratick-

>I am fuzzy about organic regulations - does " organic " mean non genetically

modified/engineered?

>Or do the organic laws in North American leave room for labeling a

>genetically engineered >product as " organic " as long as it was grown without

the use of pesticides?

You know, I'm not honestly sure. I know some regional standards prohibit GM

foods, but I'm not sure about the latest national iteration.

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Right now, in the U.S., organic means non-GMO. But you're right, no one can

absolutely guarantee no cross-contamination.

Vivian

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> RE: Question about Lard--Nanette

>

>

>

>Pratick-

>

>>I am fuzzy about organic regulations - does " organic " mean non genetically

>>modified/engineered?

>>Or do the organic laws in North American leave room for labeling a

>>genetically engineered

>>product as " organic " as long as it was grown without the use of

>pesticides?

No. The organic standards in the US don't allow GMOs.

>Well, even if the organic standard prohibits it, widespread GM

>contamination probably means some is still sneaking in.

I agree.

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[Guest guest]

>I am fuzzy about organic regulations - does " organic " mean non genetically

modified/engineered?

>Or do the organic laws in North American leave room for labeling a

>genetically engineered >product as " organic " as long as it was grown

without the use of pesticides?

A little off-topic but how can anyone " police " foods anyway especially with

" organic " going into Mexico and all over the world? Also, my guess is that a

lot of organically grown food is as low or lower in nutrition as foods

raised with chemical fertilizers.

My feeling is that " organic " is becoming more of a religion than a science

-- along the same lines as " Kosher " .

~Robin

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Robin-

>A little off-topic but how can anyone " police " foods anyway especially with

> " organic " going into Mexico and all over the world?

Anything that's certified as organic has to be inspected and meet all the

usual standards, but I don't know whether it's Mexican officials inspecting

Mexican stuff for the US certification. I expect there's at least US lab

testing going on.

>Also, my guess is that a

>lot of organically grown food is as low or lower in nutrition as foods

>raised with chemical fertilizers.

Actually, organic is generally the same or a little higher.

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