Re: Candida diet -- RETRACTION

September 9, 2005

I thoroughly retract my recommendation to consume both onions and

garlic while fighting candida. I retract it so much that I've stopped

consuming whole raw garlic in favor of consuming raw garlic juice to

avoid the inulin.

Last night I had dinner with 3 onions and a half a head of garlic

sauteed, and it was the worst-digested meal since I've eaten nuts, the

first time I've had major rumbling since nuts, and the *first* time

I've had stinky farts *at all* since before my two-week fast (not even

nuts did this), and the *first* time I've had a BM that smelled bad or

even smelled much at all since before my two-week fast (no, not even

nuts did this).

And in fact, these farts were some of the worst I've smelled.

Completely acrid. And my stool went from previously looking great to

pathetic, and really stinky.

The effects lasted well into today, with my bowel feeling subtly like

it was threatened with diarrhea, something that never technically

materialized, and only started wearing off mid-day.

It's now my opinion that one should limit carbs in general but should

get almost all carbs from raw honey, which is both antifungal but also

by far the easiest thing to digest, much easier than most vegetables I

think.

Chris

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September 10, 2005

I think maybe you need to get a life. Maybe buy some electronic music

equipment or something.

Re: Candida diet -- RETRACTION

I thoroughly retract my recommendation to consume both onions and

garlic while fighting candida. I retract it so much that I've stopped

consuming whole raw garlic in favor of consuming raw garlic juice to

avoid the inulin.

Last night I had dinner with 3 onions and a half a head of garlic

sauteed, and it was the worst-digested meal since I've eaten nuts, the

first time I've had major rumbling since nuts, and the *first* time

I've had stinky farts *at all* since before my two-week fast (not even

nuts did this), and the *first* time I've had a BM that smelled bad or

even smelled much at all since before my two-week fast (no, not even

nuts did this).

And in fact, these farts were some of the worst I've smelled.

Completely acrid. And my stool went from previously looking great to

pathetic, and really stinky.

The effects lasted well into today, with my bowel feeling subtly like

it was threatened with diarrhea, something that never technically

materialized, and only started wearing off mid-day.

It's now my opinion that one should limit carbs in general but should

get almost all carbs from raw honey, which is both antifungal but also

by far the easiest thing to digest, much easier than most vegetables I

think.

Chris

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September 10, 2005

Gene-

>I think maybe you need to get a life. Maybe buy some electronic music

>equipment or something.

Whether you like it or not, one of the main purposes of this list is to

help sick people get well, and since digestion is arguably the most

important component of health, discussions about digestion are arguably

among the most important discussions on the list. Furthermore, attaining

full health often _requires_ a certain amount of navel-gazing -- a fine

attunement to the responses of one's own body to various foods,

supplements, medications, and environmental conditions. Scoff at all

you want, but I won't have other people discouraged from being as

forthright as he is in seeking a full recovery.

-

September 10, 2005

> I thoroughly retract my recommendation to consume both onions and

> garlic while fighting candida. I retract it so much that I've stopped

> consuming whole raw garlic in favor of consuming raw garlic juice to

> avoid the inulin.

>

> Last night I had dinner with 3 onions and a half a head of garlic

> sauteed, and it was the worst-digested meal since I've eaten nuts, the

> first time I've had major rumbling since nuts, and the *first* time

> I've had stinky farts *at all* since before my two-week fast (not even

> nuts did this), and the *first* time I've had a BM that smelled bad or

> even smelled much at all since before my two-week fast (no, not even

> nuts did this).

>

> And in fact, these farts were some of the worst I've smelled.

> Completely acrid. And my stool went from previously looking great to

> pathetic, and really stinky.

>

> The effects lasted well into today, with my bowel feeling subtly like

> it was threatened with diarrhea, something that never technically

> materialized, and only started wearing off mid-day.

>

> It's now my opinion that one should limit carbs in general but should

> get almost all carbs from raw honey, which is both antifungal but also

> by far the easiest thing to digest, much easier than most vegetables I

> think.

Is it possible that there's a difference in eating raw onions and

sauteed? I mean, I know there is, but sauteed onions become

caramelized and, well, sugar-y and that may inactivate the

digestion-pomoting compounds you were seeking. They lose their

pungency. Did the materials you read suggesting onions indicate

cooking them?

B.

September 10, 2005

On 9/9/05, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> I thoroughly retract my recommendation to consume both onions and

> garlic while fighting candida. I retract it so much that I've stopped

> consuming whole raw garlic in favor of consuming raw garlic juice to

> avoid the inulin.

>

> Last night I had dinner with 3 onions and a half a head of garlic

> sauteed, and it was the worst-digested meal since I've eaten nuts, the

> first time I've had major rumbling since nuts, and the *first* time

> I've had stinky farts *at all* since before my two-week fast (not even

> nuts did this), and the *first* time I've had a BM that smelled bad or

> even smelled much at all since before my two-week fast (no, not even

> nuts did this).

Speaking medicinally, there is a world of difference between cooked

garlic and raw garlic. I would stick with raw garlic and onions and or

their juice. Admittedly I have little experience with onion juice

since it has been years since I did something like that (it was an

onion juice and honey concoction), but garlic I am familiar with, and

raw consistently works best

I would think, and I think you have discovered, that a large amount of

cooked garlic and onions might cause problems for someone with

digestive issues, so best to concentrate it by juicing it.

--

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Republican, a young and lone 'Neanderthal'

(as the liberals used to call us) who believed,

as one friend pungently put it, that 'Senator

Taft had sold out to the socialists. Today,

I am most likely to be called an extreme leftist,

since I favor immediate withdrawal from

Vietnam, denounce U.S. imperialism, advocate

Black Power and have just joined the new

Peace and Freedom Party. And yet my basic

political views have not changed by a single

iota in these two decades! "

Murray Rothbard

September 10, 2005

On 9/10/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Gene-

>

> >I think maybe you need to get a life. Maybe buy some electronic music

> >equipment or something.

>

> Whether you like it or not, one of the main purposes of this list is to

> help sick people get well, and since digestion is arguably the most

> important component of health, discussions about digestion are arguably

> among the most important discussions on the list.

,

I wholeheartedly agree with you here. Even with the highest quality

food in the universe, if you can't or don't assimilate the nutrients,

it won't do you much good.

--

" Twenty years ago I was an extreme right-wing

Republican, a young and lone 'Neanderthal'

(as the liberals used to call us) who believed,

as one friend pungently put it, that 'Senator

Taft had sold out to the socialists. Today,

I am most likely to be called an extreme leftist,

since I favor immediate withdrawal from

Vietnam, denounce U.S. imperialism, advocate

Black Power and have just joined the new

Peace and Freedom Party. And yet my basic

political views have not changed by a single

iota in these two decades! "

Murray Rothbard

September 10, 2005

On 9/10/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> Is it possible that there's a difference in eating raw onions and

> sauteed? I mean, I know there is, but sauteed onions become

> caramelized and, well, sugar-y and that may inactivate the

> digestion-pomoting compounds you were seeking.

That's gross-- I said sauteed not carmelized! You have to cook onions

for a really long time to carmelize them. They're pretty good if you

put the right flavors in, but not a plateful of them, way too sweet.

Anyway sugary is not a problem for me. For example I tolerate honey

and certain fruit fine. I doubt the inulin gets broken down during

cooking.

The difference between raw and cooked, I think, is 1) raw onions

contain medicinal properties and 2) you can't eat much of them.

> They lose their

> pungency. Did the materials you read suggesting onions indicate

> cooking them?

I was thinking of the inulin, which is a fiber, and shouldn't be

affected much by cooking. And I believe that's exactly what the

*problem* is with onions.

Chris

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September 10, 2005

On 9/10/05, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

> Speaking medicinally, there is a world of difference between cooked

> garlic and raw garlic. I would stick with raw garlic and onions and or

> their juice. Admittedly I have little experience with onion juice

> since it has been years since I did something like that (it was an

> onion juice and honey concoction), but garlic I am familiar with, and

> raw consistently works best

>

> I would think, and I think you have discovered, that a large amount of

> cooked garlic and onions might cause problems for someone with

> digestive issues, so best to concentrate it by juicing it.

Right... I'm not even sure why raw vs. cooked is even coming up, as I

would go so far as to consider them not even the same foods. The

properties are totally different. I'm not in any way conflating the

properties of raw garlic/onions with cooked garlic/onions. I was

seeking totally different properties.

The supposedly prebiotic function of inulin is dependent on a larger

quantity than found in what someone can tolerate raw, and in that

sense either requires cooking or taking an isolate. That is what I

was thinking of, not the antimicrobial functions that are destroyed by

cooking (along with other medicinal properties), and that's what I'm

definitely not going after anymore.

Chris

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September 10, 2005

>

> > Gene-

> >

> > >I think maybe you need to get a life. Maybe buy some electronic music

> > >equipment or something.

> >

> > Whether you like it or not, one of the main purposes of this list

is to

> > help sick people get well, and since digestion is arguably the most

> > important component of health, discussions about digestion are

arguably

> > among the most important discussions on the list.

>

> ,

>

> I wholeheartedly agree with you here. Even with the highest quality

> food in the universe, if you can't or don't assimilate the nutrients,

> it won't do you much good.

, , et al,

I thought Gene was being ironic.

B.

September 10, 2005

-

> , , et al,

>I thought Gene was being ironic.

Could well be, but he's made a few remarks on the subject now, and I'd

rather no one be discouraged from talking about similar issues.

-

September 10, 2005

On 9/10/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> -

>

> > , , et al,

> >I thought Gene was being ironic.

>

> Could well be, but he's made a few remarks on the subject now, and I'd

> rather no one be discouraged from talking about similar issues.

I thought it was a reaction to the previous attack of the " off-topic

police " -- a rebel action, if you will, making sure no one gets away

with posting ON-topic posts. lol!

Chris

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September 10, 2005

- obvious the reference to my lack of a life (electronic music

equipment), relegates this to a joke more than discouragement.

But then again, I am always glad to give you yet another opportunity to

scold me.