Re: Life-extension (was Chips: was Anchovy experiment)

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In a message dated 2/26/2005 3:02:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

Inasmuch as the tradition of fasting appears to be bound up with notions of

" cleansing " and " purifying " oneself, and inasmuch as fasting does appear to

be useful, at least for some people, for ridding themselves of certain

accumulated toxins, it seems likely to me that fasting is more likely to be

of use to people eating poorly than to be people eating ideally.

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By the way, good food might contain less toxins, but it's a normal process

for the body to create metabolic toxins from foods that need to be eliminated

even if the quality is good.

Chris

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Chris-

>By the way, good food might contain less toxins, but it's a normal process

>for the body to create metabolic toxins from foods that need to

>be eliminated

>even if the quality is good.

True, and maybe fasting can help (some people) with this, but I'd also

expect that we've evolved to deal with those natural metabolic toxins a lot

better than we can deal with modern pollutants.

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In a message dated 2/28/2005 7:13:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

True, and maybe fasting can help (some people) with this, but I'd also

expect that we've evolved to deal with those natural metabolic toxins a lot

better than we can deal with modern pollutants.

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[Chris]

Probably, but isn't it likely that periodic fasting or undereating could be

an important aid in this process since for most of our evolution we've done

so? In the SAD, we basically eat all day long-- even when we're not eating,

we're consuming calories in the form of soft drinks, etc. And even with good

diet, having so much food available-to-eat, refrigerated leftovers, easy

cooking, etc, all comes with modern affluence. If I had to make a fire in

order

to eat first thing in the morning, I probably wouldn't bother with a big meal.

Chris

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>[Chris]

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>Probably, but isn't it likely that periodic fasting or undereating could be

>an important aid in this process since for most of our evolution we've done

>so?

>

[Deanna] I think so. It works for me, fwiw. Fit for Life (I think) was

the first to present this idea of eating nothing save fruit until

afternoon and making the main eating in the evening; pretty similar from

what I can tell to the Warrior Diet. But the authors also push food

combining a la natural hygiene. Don't most omnivorous mammals eat once

or twice a day anyway?

>In the SAD, we basically eat all day long-- even when we're not eating,

>we're consuming calories in the form of soft drinks, etc. And even with good

>diet, having so much food available-to-eat, refrigerated leftovers, easy

>cooking, etc, all comes with modern affluence. If I had to make a fire in

order

>to eat first thing in the morning, I probably wouldn't bother with a big meal.

>

>Chris

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Yeah, it's a pretty energy intensive lifestyle, especially cooking EVERY

MEAL and saving more than we can deal with. I know so many people that

waste good food. I see it in children of SAD folk especially. We are

pretty gourmet but frugal family (yeah, I know the late Jeff used

those terms). I am presently trying to work out the highest

temperatures I can for the frig and freezer. I buy meat in bulk from

the ranch and so it's all frozen. Eggs come from a local farm. The

fresh produce needs no serious refrigeration, and the dairy on hand is

usually fermented. I have jars of lf veggies and fruits. I wonder how

high I can go in temperature.

As far as a fire goes, depending on where you dwell, you may have a fire

going all night. A wood stove might be the best solution for heating

water or cooking in the morning after a cold night. But fresh, raw,

dried or fermented foods early in the day makes sense for a quick meal

before the big hunt.

Deanna

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Chris-

>Probably, but isn't it likely that periodic fasting or undereating could be

>an important aid in this process since for most of our evolution we've done

>so? In the SAD, we basically eat all day long-- even when we're not eating,

>we're consuming calories in the form of soft drinks, etc. And even with good

>diet, having so much food available-to-eat, refrigerated leftovers, easy

>cooking, etc, all comes with modern affluence. If I had to make a fire

>in order

>to eat first thing in the morning, I probably wouldn't bother with a big

>meal.

I'm not disputing that F/F and CR seem to give some benefits over feed

pellets, though I suspect the benefits are overstated (certainly they're

overgeneralized, e.g. from worms and rodents to humans) and the drawbacks

are almost unquestionably underreported. But the SAD is sort of roughly

analogous to feed pellets, and neither are the baselines we should be

using. I don't know about you, but I don't drink soda and snack all

day. I don't Warrior Diet either, though I may try it at some point, but I

prefer healthy traditional eating as a baseline. Refrigeration is a very,

very recent innovation, and breakfast, food storage and multiple meals per

day predate it enormously.

That said, of course it would also be interesting to try to figure out what

our hunter-gatherer ancestors did.

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