Re: New Moon

July 9, 2002

In a message dated 7/9/02 4:55:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

lonewolfe30@... writes:

> Just thought I'd share this astrological tid bit with everyone.

> Caio,

> Kere

>

Fascinating Kere! thanks!

Hugs,

Debbie

July 9, 2002

In a message dated 7/9/02 7:18:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jutza98@...

writes:

> . Look for your SAME element as in fire, earth, air and water.

elements as to your birth sign? this is sooo cool?

Debbie

July 9, 2002

> Hi all,

>

> I just wanted to post an FYI since everyone says there's something

in

> the air with bad days and such. Tomorrow is a new moon and of

course

> there's a new moon every month, but it's in the sign of cancer.

Since

> cancer rules motherhood and nurturance, it makes sense that us KOs

> would feel it's effects deeper since there's an overwhelming energy

in

> the air regarding nuturing/emotions/feelings/moods (all cancer

> elements).

>

> I use to study astrology a lot in high school and in my twenties

just

> b/c it worked for me when I needed it to- kind of like self-help.

> Anyway, I decided after reading these posts and leaving a BPD

message

> on my best-friend's answering machine (she said she'd call back two

> hours ago and didn't- I wasn't mad, just put off since she's made

it a

> habit to be flakey with everyone in her life at times, mainly in

the

> summer when she's not teaching and less responsible.) Well i

looked

> it up in my calendar and saw that tomorrow the sun and moon are in

> cancer and since the moon rules the sun sign cancer and the day to

day

> configuration of emotions, it makes sense that we would feel things

> even deeper right now as KOs. Things happen for a reason and I'm

most

> certain these emotions need to come out. Luckily we also have each

> other and this board to nurture us during this time of prominent

> emotional issues in the air.

>

> The irony I just realized is that tomorrow is my hubby's birthday

and

> it's on a new moon, while my birthday in April fell on a full moon

> this year. Obviously we're in for some very emotional times

together

> this year- lol.

>

> Just thought I'd share this astrological tid bit with everyone.

> Caio,

> Kere

EEk, time for me to hide under a blanket with chocolate and a good

romance!

christine

July 9, 2002

I too have studied and have had a great interest in astrology. Not only the

affects of the new moon and motherhood. EVERY month when there is a full moon,

I become forgetful as well as off balance. The next time you girls and some of

you guys who will admit it are feeling a little strange - check to see if there

is a full moon.

For you singles out there....another tid bit to think about. I didn't pay

attention to this until after my divorce...but then paid close attention and

finally found my compatible mate. Just for fun you singles - pay attention to

the element of other people. Look for your SAME element as in fire, earth, air

and water. This way when you have those little disagreements - they are the

same elements going up against each other. As in my ex and I - fire and air -

what does air do to fire?? IT FEEDS THE FIRE AND MAKES IT GO NUTS!!! LOL

Just for fun is all!!

---------------------------------

July 9, 2002

and...i bet debbie can testify to this as well...you should see how

kids at school act on the days of a full moon!!!!!!!

(seriously- i want to use my sick days on those days)

))

laura

>

> I too have studied and have had a great interest in astrology. Not

only the affects of the new moon and motherhood. EVERY month when

there is a full moon, I become forgetful as well as off balance. The

next time you girls and some of you guys who will admit it are

feeling a little strange - check to see if there is a full moon.

> For you singles out there....another tid bit to think about. I

didn't pay attention to this until after my divorce...but then paid

close attention and finally found my compatible mate. Just for fun

you singles - pay attention to the element of other people. Look for

your SAME element as in fire, earth, air and water. This way when

you have those little disagreements - they are the same elements

going up against each other. As in my ex and I - fire and air -

what does air do to fire?? IT FEEDS THE FIRE AND MAKES IT GO NUTS!!!

LOL

> Just for fun is all!!

>

> ---------------------------------

>

July 10, 2002

,

How interesting that you've studied this too. I've not seen fire and

air signs in disagreement except with opposites (aries-libra,

leo-aquarius, sagittarius-gemini). I'm an earth sign married to a

water sign that's not my opposite and we really balance each other

out. In fact, he's a cancer and I've noticed lately how my cycle

seems to start every month when the moon is in cancer- talk about the

alpha female- lol! Hard to believe my female cycle has catered to his

sun sign.

I agree with the element thingy though. My best friend is also an

earth sign, but most of my good friends have been cancers. In fact it

was my cancer sister-in-law who originally diagnosed the BPD traits in

my nada and my sister-in-law is very much a nurturing cancer type with

a cancer moon even.

Full moons only seemed to affect me adversely when I was younger and

dated a couple of guys with moon signs opposite my moon sign. Other

than that, I've always had more trouble with mercury retrograde that

happens three times a year for three weeks each time. That drives me

nuts and the last time it happened was when I was seeing nada and had

her coming into my life. UGH. How I hate reworking things done under

mercury retrograde. I can let you and everyone know next time that

aspect happens just because you're not suppose to sign legal documents

or buy major purchases and need to watch out for communication

problems (last time I was unaware of it and two weeks later after

fighting with my hubby and never really fighting like that, I decided

to look it up and see- oh yeah, mercury's retrograde...no matter what

we say now, we're not going to understand one another. That seems to

make it better for us.)

Kere

>

> I too have studied and have had a great interest in astrology. Not

only the affects of the new moon and motherhood. EVERY month when

there is a full moon, I become forgetful as well as off balance. The

next time you girls and some of you guys who will admit it are feeling

a little strange - check to see if there is a full moon.

> For you singles out there....another tid bit to think about. I

didn't pay attention to this until after my divorce...but then paid

close attention and finally found my compatible mate. Just for fun

you singles - pay attention to the element of other people. Look for

your SAME element as in fire, earth, air and water. This way when you

have those little disagreements - they are the same elements going up

against each other. As in my ex and I - fire and air - what does air

do to fire?? IT FEEDS THE FIRE AND MAKES IT GO NUTS!!! LOL

> Just for fun is all!!

>

> ---------------------------------

>

July 10, 2002

Hi Kere,

I didn't get into the depth as you - but cool stuff to know. I mostly enjoyed

the characteristics of the signs and the quirky things they do etc...etc. LOL

Of course ALL signs can work. The difference is, how much WORK you want to put

into the relationship. If it is constant fighting etc. somebodies ol element

is pouring over on the other and is taking over. Air signs usually cause the

most havoc if they let their air get out of control. Like too much air and

water - A HURRICANE of a problem!! LOL Cancer's are the ones of the zodiac who

can get along well with all signs and you are lucky to have one of those

sensitive males. The cancer men are the best girl friends you can have!!! LOL

They love women and connect with them so well....unless of course you have a

crab who is stuffing all of this in his shell and not showing you that wonderful

side of him!! Hopefully not!!

Earth enjoys a little water to it....makes em feel good. But too much earth put

to the water sign.....how can any agreement be reached??? IT's TOO THICK WITH

MUD and ya can't see through mud!!

I just have so much fun with the elements. The water signs are the sexual ones,

the air signs the communicative friendly ones, the earth are the hard working

grounded ones and the fire signs are the fighters of liberty and justice for all

- especially the underdog!!

Keep us informed of all the technical stuff Kere -

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July 10, 2002

In a message dated 7/9/02 11:08:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nevele@...

writes:

> i bet debbie can testify to this as well...you should see how

> kids at school act on the days of a full moon

You got it baby! They act like little werewolves growing their fangs! My

auntie who is an er nurse swears it gets busier at full moon time, too!

Hugs,

Debbie

July 10, 2002

Hey Kere,

I am a Sag., and Megatron is Cancer, does that mean her earth sign is tryng

to " put out " my fire sign? Hee-hee!

Hugs,

Debbie

July 10, 2002

,

I had to laugh when you said the line about air and water equaling a

hurricane. That's my nada alright. She's a pisces(water) with gemini

(air)rising and a whole bunch of planets in aquarius (air). She's

undoubtably a hurricane at times. My problem is that I don't have any

water in my natal chart and therefore have issues with fully

understanding my emotions- I can be quick tempered at times which is

a biproduct of not having water, but like fire signs, I tend to get

over it pretty quickly and have been learning for a long time how to

fight fair, get things out without them being as sticky or intricate

as my pisces nada can make things out to be (Beethoveen also had no

water in his chart but was a fire sign and it's better for me as an

earth sign versus fire or air w/o water since earth signs tend to be

a little more patient than fire and air signs). None-the-less, I'll

always be attracted to water signs in my life just b/c I lack it and

need it to balance me out. Hence I've got a pisces nada, a cancer

brother, a cancer hubby, a cancer sister-in-law, a pisces

sister-in-law and a scorpio brother-in-law. My X-boyfriend that was

also a BPD was also a water sign like my nada, but a scorpio and yet

he also had a prominent gemini air aspect with his moon being in

gemini- once again a hurricane, huh? lol.

I'm not sure if I'd call the water signs sexual as much as emotionally

oriented, but I fully agree with your rendition of the other three

elements. Air is intellect/communicative, earth stable/structured,

fire ideal/life/animated. I don't think my hubby and I run into too

much mud just because I've got no water in my chart and therefore

don't always take to sogginess too well. But I would say that I've

seen muddy situations with my pisces nada and I can't say I've always

been good about digging myself out of the mud- lol. My hubby only

climbs in his shell when I show my fleas and when I see that I know I

need to work on me and step back. Otherwise, he's one of the happiest

people I know and has a wonderful sense of humor that I've yet to get

enough of every night.

By the way, you seem to know quite a bit about the elements as you've

nailed it dead on with how the elements can work together at times.

Kere

>

> Hi Kere,

> I didn't get into the depth as you - but cool stuff to know. I

mostly enjoyed the characteristics of the signs and the quirky things

they do etc...etc. LOL Of course ALL signs can work. The difference

is, how much WORK you want to put into the relationship. If it is

constant fighting etc. somebodies ol element is pouring over on the

other and is taking over. Air signs usually cause the most havoc if

they let their air get out of control. Like too much air and water -

A HURRICANE of a problem!! LOL Cancer's are the ones of the zodiac

who can get along well with all signs and you are lucky to have one of

those sensitive males. The cancer men are the best girl friends you

can have!!! LOL They love women and connect with them so

well....unless of course you have a crab who is stuffing all of this

in his shell and not showing you that wonderful side of him!!

Hopefully not!!

> Earth enjoys a little water to it....makes em feel good. But too

much earth put to the water sign.....how can any agreement be

reached??? IT's TOO THICK WITH MUD and ya can't see through mud!!

> I just have so much fun with the elements. The water signs are the

sexual ones, the air signs the communicative friendly ones, the earth

are the hard working grounded ones and the fire signs are the fighters

of liberty and justice for all - especially the underdog!!

> Keep us informed of all the technical stuff Kere -

>

> ---------------------------------

>

July 10, 2002

FYI, speaking of full moons and nurses and such, Hyppocrites (the

father of medicine) stated that one shouldn't have surgery during a

full moon or new moon. What happens is that people seem to bleed more

at those times and when you think of the tidal effects in the ocean

and how our bodies are 80% water, it makes sense to me. Just food for

thought if anyone ever needs to schedule a surgery.

Kere

> In a message dated 7/9/02 11:08:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

nevele@y...

> writes:

>

> > i bet debbie can testify to this as well...you should see how

> > kids at school act on the days of a full moon

>

> You got it baby! They act like little werewolves growing their

fangs! My

> auntie who is an er nurse swears it gets busier at full moon time,

too!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Debbie

>

July 10, 2002

Hi Debbie,

I hesitate to make any broad generalizations between signs especially

because I've seen two really great couples who've created good

marriages in the cancer/sag combo. However, you're right about

water(cancer nada) elements putting out the fire in a fire sign as

well as fire turning water into steam. You've got a 150 degree aspect

working as a sag relating to a cancer and that means no matter how

long you live, you two will never truly ever understand the inner

workings of each other underneath. That attracts some people and

repels others. It's not the 180 degree of opposites, but it's

annoying as all get out sometimes. Sag is also 150 degrees from my

sun sign(taurus earth) and so is libra and I've had some great friends

who are both these signs and yet at times it seems like the

friendships are spread out over moments in our lifetimes- not

continual and that makes sense to me. We get along fine, but probably

not every day for too terribly long and that's okay. It's learning

limits I suppose and I do so like my friends.

When looking at issues of abuse, It's my astrological opinion that one

should look at an individual's natal chart first and then compare it

to the natal chart of the abuser. I've seen some really strong

patterns between spouses and children who end up in abusive

situations. Patterns like physical violence versus more

emotional/psychological abuse are also in the charts too and yet like

every day in life, an individual has the freedom of choice to

determine what kind of energy is going to manifest. If you look at

Ghandi's chart, you could say it looks a bit like Marquis De Sade's

chart and so in that regard astrology is not an accurate predictor of

how a person will turn out - only of certain limitations/energy

patterns and such. Ghandi and De Sade did both cause a lot of friction

in the societies they lived in and both were continually thrown in

jail - both had outlandish ideas for how society should work and both

were killed at the end of the day by the very society they sought to

lead. Yet at the heart, Ghandi brought something really positive and

uplifting to the planet and de Sade was just the opposite.

Good question though and accurate assessment that you probably knew

with or without astrology, right? lol. I sometimes do that when

looking at the patterns- saying to myself 'well, duh, I already knew

that and could feel it', while at other times it's provided a real

validation I needed as a KO growing up with a very duplistic pisces

nada (she's definitely the fish swimming in opposite directions versus

the more evolved type of pisces I've also met).

*hugs*

Kere

> Hey Kere,

>

> I am a Sag., and Megatron is Cancer, does that mean her earth sign

is tryng

> to " put out " my fire sign? Hee-hee!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Debbie

>

July 11, 2002

Sounds good to me too - BUT, I'd be more worried about the surgeons being

off-balanced and clumsy operating on me than me bleeding more!!! LOL

lonewolfe30 wrote: FYI, speaking of full moons and

nurses and such, Hyppocrites (the father of medicine) stated that one shouldn't

have surgery during a full moon or new moon. What happens is that people seem

to bleed more at those times and when you think of the tidal effects in the

ocean and how our bodies are 80% water, it makes sense to me. Just food for

thought if anyone ever needs to schedule a surgery.

Kere

> In a message dated 7/9/02 11:08:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

nevele@y...

> writes:

>

> > i bet debbie can testify to this as well...you should see how

> > kids at school act on the days of a full moon

>

> You got it baby! They act like little werewolves growing their

fangs! My

> auntie who is an er nurse swears it gets busier at full moon time,

too!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Debbie

>

July 11, 2002

My sister who is an OB nurse says that full moons mean lots of babies

being born as well as whackos getting activated and coming in to the

hospital.

I believe it.

All sorts of life enriching info on this list!

Kathleen

July 11, 2002

LOL- what's funny also is that I quote Hyppocrites and end up being a

hypocrit myself today. If only I'd heeded my own advice to you

yesterday- lol. I went to the dentist this morning for some porcess

that was a little bit less excruciating than a root canal, but worse

than a cavity. So most naturally my gums have been bleeding off and

on all day- lol. And then I went to the dermatologist this afternoon

to have 4 moles removed (cancer runs in my family and my maternal aunt

had stage three melanoma, so I don't play around when they're dark)

and off course I was bleeding more than the doctor usually sees.

Isn't that funny? But these aren't really major things like open

heart surgery or something and internal bleeding is a lot more

dangerous. I saw today first hand, however, how accurate that whole

new moon/full moon thingy is with bleeding- lol.

Kere

> > In a message dated 7/9/02 11:08:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> nevele@y...

> > writes:

> >

> > > i bet debbie can testify to this as well...you should see how

> > > kids at school act on the days of a full moon

> >

> > You got it baby! They act like little werewolves growing their

> fangs! My

> > auntie who is an er nurse swears it gets busier at full moon time,

> too!

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Debbie

> >

July 11, 2002

Yeah, my sister-in-law's a shrink and she really notices it when the

moon is full and other strange things are going on in the stars with

her patients. Back last fall there was some really bad aspects going

on that astrologers had predicted (such as 9-11, even though i only

know one who accurately predicted NY and DC and such and she uses a

really weird system that frightens me to tell you the truth) and my

sister-in-law said the nice psychotics went into this fear induced

shell and the mean psychos were tearing up the place like mad.

Strange, huh?

The funny thing with lots of kids being born on a full moon is that

it's really not a great thing if you ask me. The sun in a person's

natal chart is the father and the moon is the mother. When you see a

fullmoon baby, their interpretation of their parents are like night

and day- complete opposites. Not all of the full moon babies parents

get divorced, but a large percentage of them do and that's not the

same as the new moon babies- they're parents are just alike. It's

interesting to observe these little patterns IMHO just b/c I have

always been interested in patterns (dechypering was a really strong

point of mine and I almost joined the Military Intellegence to be a

spy, but my parents threatened to disown me since they were so

anti-gov't everything). I totally loved the movie " A Beautiful Mind "

and really felt bad for Nash's real life saga with being so

genius and yet having a very real mental illness. Did you see that

one? But that's how I got into astrology - the patterns and noticing

my mom's patterns of behavior, yet astrology doesn't fully explain her

behavior as well as BPD does. I always knew something was wrong

underneath and maybe being raised by a BPD makes one prone to notice

patterns and similarities- dunno.

*hugs*

Kere

> My sister who is an OB nurse says that full moons mean lots of

babies

> being born as well as whackos getting activated and coming in to the

> hospital.

>

> I believe it.

>

> All sorts of life enriching info on this list!

>

> Kathleen

July 11, 2002

When I worked in a hospital, I think it did get busier during a full moon.

I'm feeling a lot better now...is the time new moon phase over with. Sara

is my sister and since my nada will be here this Sunday to participate in

the great cat swap, maybe someonw took pity on me and gave me a couple of

good days. LOL. But I'm really looking forward to seeing Sara.

Re: Re: New Moon

Sounds good to me too - BUT, I'd be more worried about the surgeons being

off-balanced and clumsy operating on me than me bleeding more!!! LOL

lonewolfe30 wrote: FYI, speaking of full moons

and nurses and such, Hyppocrites (the father of medicine) stated that one

shouldn't have surgery during a full moon or new moon. What happens is that

people seem to bleed more at those times and when you think of the tidal

effects in the ocean and how our bodies are 80% water, it makes sense to me.

Just food for thought if anyone ever needs to schedule a surgery.

Kere

> In a message dated 7/9/02 11:08:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

nevele@y...

> writes:

>

> > i bet debbie can testify to this as well...you should see how

> > kids at school act on the days of a full moon

>

> You got it baby! They act like little werewolves growing their

fangs! My

> auntie who is an er nurse swears it gets busier at full moon time,

too!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Debbie

>

July 11, 2002

Okay I have to ask. What does Libra fall under? I've enjoyed these posts,

but am totally ignorant about astrology and signs.

Re: New Moon

My sister who is an OB nurse says that full moons mean lots of babies

being born as well as whackos getting activated and coming in to the

hospital.

I believe it.

All sorts of life enriching info on this list!

Kathleen

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July 11, 2002

Okay....this is the defining answer. Now we know all the stories about full

moons or new moons and ER, increased babies, and so forth is true.

Thank you Kere, for erasing any doubts we may have had