Re: food addiction

[Guest guest]

, I hope that you really will try the south beach diet. I am so

pleased with it. I am the worst foodaholic. I have been so out of

control for the last 3 years, and managed to go from 130 pounds to

190.

I was so proud cause my inlaws bought burgars and fries, and drinks

for my kids and hubby, and I declined the offer, I was happy to eat my

grilled salmon, and poppyseed dressing over my garden vegetable salad.

Plus there are lots of other things that I can eat that are delicious

too. I made chicken kabobs this morning for tonights dinner. Wow,

dididn't know that I would turn myself into a fancy cook too. I was

down another pound and a half this morning, and I eat six times a

day. I am totally satisfied with the delicious nutritious food I am

now eating. I am so amazed that I have made it a whole week and 2

days, and I feel so much better because now I am eating to live, not

living to eat.

Anyways, you gotta do what's best for you, and it is really

challenging to get your brain into the mindset that you are going to

eat health. It has taken me a long time to get to this point. I hope

I can keep it that way.

Kelli

> I keep getting sick when I eat and I take phenergan almost every day

> sometimes up to 3x's a day.

> If I wanted to gain weight it would fall right off me now all I do

is walk by

> the food and it zaps me.

> Hope you feel better soon.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kelli I haven't gotten the book yet but you made it sound so good I am definitly going to try it.

I seem to have hit a plateu and my weight is staying pretty consistant right now. I am still over 200lbs though so have a long way to go.

I'll be yur chearleader if you'll be mine.Deal????

Hope your weekend was good

[Guest guest]

I've have decided to respond to this straight away so that I do not think about

it too much...I'm already thinking too much...

There are only THREE types of food? <gulp> definitely steak, but I need

someone else to cook it cos I stuff up steak so bad. If I have to cook it I

might change to chicken. I think I gotta say chocolate even though it has

always been disappointing going back to it. I have memories of it being

fantastic. I like that it is nutritional chocolate now. so hard to pick only

one more. Potatoes? If it can't have some butter to fry it in ...grrrrr. This

is hard. Why can't I have vegies? I think I could live on chicken and stir

fried vegies. Stupid children won't eat it even if I tell them " too bad there's

nothing else " . I already went back and changed fish to chicken in my first

choice up there. Nah, stuff it, I decided the food is already cooked and the

third is potato dripping in fat. Geez, I hope I have a knife and fork!

this was interesting. I'm going to think about this for the rest of the day to

make sure I haven't left out something that I could die for. The sort of thing

that I don't have in my diet now so it's not up there in my mind....ice cream's

not top of the list.

maybe coke? arrrrr

[Guest guest]

OMG what was I thinking?! Potatoes have been tossed. Mint slice biscuits are

right up there at the top now. Second place goes to Snickers (can get chocolate

as well as peanuts there). Third I still want steak. I think it's ony because

I am steak deprived at the moment due to budget problems. But steak is what

when I go to a restaurant. Always.

Mint slice biscuits. Mmmmmm.

So in analysing this I figure I like sugar a lot but especially mixed with fat.

Given that I also like potatoes with fat (even ice cream counts as fat) and

have never bought anything low fat in my life, I reckon I might like fat just a

touch too. I wouldn't have thought of that before this exercise.

Re: food addiction

I've have decided to respond to this straight away so that I do not think

about it too much...I'm already thinking too much...

There are only THREE types of food? <gulp> definitely steak, but I need

someone else to cook it cos I stuff up steak so bad. If I have to cook it I

might change to chicken. I think I gotta say chocolate even though it has

always been disappointing going back to it. I have memories of it being

fantastic. I like that it is nutritional chocolate now. so hard to pick only

one more. Potatoes? If it can't have some butter to fry it in ...grrrrr. This

is hard. Why can't I have vegies? I think I could live on chicken and stir

fried vegies. Stupid children won't eat it even if I tell them " too bad there's

nothing else " . I already went back and changed fish to chicken in my first

choice up there. Nah, stuff it, I decided the food is already cooked and the

third is potato dripping in fat. Geez, I hope I have a knife and fork!

this was interesting. I'm going to think about this for the rest of the day

to make sure I haven't left out something that I could die for. The sort of

thing that I don't have in my diet now so it's not up there in my mind....ice

cream's not top of the list.

maybe coke? arrrrr

[Guest guest]

You might have to put the Snickers on hold, there was

a huge recall today regarding those.

--- <harringtonwa@...> wrote:

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OMG what was I thinking?! Potatoes have been tossed.

Mint slice biscuits are right up there at the top now.

Second place goes to Snickers (can get chocolate as

well as peanuts there). Third I still want steak. I

think it's ony because I am steak deprived at the

moment due to budget problems. But steak is what when

I go to a restaurant. Always.

Mint slice biscuits. Mmmmmm.

So in analysing this I figure I like sugar a lot but

especially mixed with fat. Given that I also like

potatoes with fat (even ice cream counts as fat) and

have never bought anything low fat in my life, I

reckon I might like fat just a touch too. I wouldn't

have thought of that before this exercise.

[Guest guest]

,

I should have said in my post that this isn't one of those " First, fast

thoughts are best " kind of things. So, I think your second response is

closer to accurate as you've had more time to consider more options and

discard any " good food/bad food " concepts. In fact, you might want to think

longer. I should also have said you are free to choose any elaborate or

complicated recipe with lots of ingredients, in any state of steaming hot,

fresh off the grill or chilled from the frig (never mind that the island

doesn't have appliances). The idea is simply that you get to eat all you

want of the three foods or dishes, whenever you want, with only good results

(no ill health, no weight gain, no pimples, etc.)

I know this thought process can be kind of crazy-making (as are addictions),

so I hope you'll understand that I'm laughing at your posts with

understanding and sympathy.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

West wrote:

> I should have said in my post that this isn't one of those " First,

> fast thoughts are best " kind of things. So, I think your second

> response is closer to accurate as you've had more time to consider

> more options and

> discard any " good food/bad food " concepts. In fact, you might want to

> think

> longer. I should also have said you are free to choose any elaborate or

> complicated recipe with lots of ingredients, in any state of steaming

> hot,

> fresh off the grill or chilled from the frig (never mind that the island

> doesn't have appliances). The idea is simply that you get to eat all you

> want of the three foods or dishes, whenever you want, with only good

> results

> (no ill health, no weight gain, no pimples, etc.)

>

,

sorry for the delayed response on this one. I meant to reply earlier

but got distracted by the volume of emails here as well as had problems

with my stupid mail program. So, new mail program!

Anyway, you are so right about giving it time. Given enough time I am

ready to let go of the steak (almost) and go with pre-mixed cans of

Bourbon and Coke now.....

> I know this thought process can be kind of crazy-making (as are

> addictions),

> so I hope you'll understand that I'm laughing at your posts with

> understanding and sympathy.

I had a great time with this. Although I think it might have spurred me

to fall off the wagon again. Have been very bad at avoiding the bad

stuff this past week. Not to worry....when I get some more Coconut Oil

(that doesn't taste foul!) and bring home a groovy new juicer machine

everything will fall back into place again.

[Guest guest]

,

<Anyway, you are so right about giving it time. Given enough time I am

ready to let go of the steak (almost) and go with pre-mixed cans of

Bourbon and Coke now.....

Yikes! Oh, well, I had a feeling the steak might eventually lose out to

something else. <g>

<I had a great time with this. Although I think it might have spurred me

to fall off the wagon again.

Something helpful to keep in mind about addictions -- my view, anyway:

There is never any reason why we relapse into " using " apart from the fact

that we are addicted. Everything else we tell ourselves about " why " may

sound reasonable and help us feel like reasonable people, but it's really

just a way of rationalizing what is really going on--which is physical and

mental/emotional cravings. If you can manage to break the physical craving

(that usually takes at least 21 days of withdrawal), then it's a little

easier to manage the mental/emotional part of things.

< Not to worry....when I get some more Coconut Oil

(that doesn't taste foul!) and bring home a groovy new juicer machine

everything will fall back into place again.

That all sounds great. I'm no expert on coconut oil since I've only had one

kind so far, but I do like the one I've started with: the fermented kind

from the ines that Wilderness Family Naturals sells.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

West wrote:

> Something helpful to keep in mind about addictions -- my view, anyway:

> There is never any reason why we relapse into " using " apart from the fact

> that we are addicted. Everything else we tell ourselves about " why " may

> sound reasonable and help us feel like reasonable people, but it's really

> just a way of rationalizing what is really going on--which is physical

> and

> mental/emotional cravings. If you can manage to break the physical

> craving

> (that usually takes at least 21 days of withdrawal), then it's a little

> easier to manage the mental/emotional part of things.

So true again. I've only vaguely tried to justify it this time. Lack

of money which leads to being organised having the right foods, and the

rest of it , blah blah blah...but I know it's more than that. The damn

coconut oil is what really set it off though. I had this foul taste

that I couldn't get rid of for hours and felt nauseuos. I persisted

with trying to get some more CO in and ended up having bread and sweet

things to try to get rid of the tatse. Finally decided NOT to have

anymore and I have let the re-emerged cravings take over until I get

some more CO, which will be next week now. With any luck I won't have

put back all the weight that I've so recently managed to start to

shift. You'd think if I was in my right mind I would start now without

waiting for the CO, hey? Well that says something. I say to people who

say they will give up smoking " next week " to not wait till next week and

throw away the box. Now that's come back to bite me on the arse.

>

> That all sounds great. I'm no expert on coconut oil since I've only

> had one

> kind so far, but I do like the one I've started with: the fermented kind

> from the ines that Wilderness Family Naturals sells.

oooh, went to their site. I like (NOT) how everyone reckons their CO is

the best. Makes it hard to know what to buy....so many to choose from.

<sigh>

There;s so much more to look into on that site though. Will be spending

a few hours there I reckon. It's been a while since I've seen Dr

s stuff mentioned too.

[Guest guest]

,

With a bad aftertaste, your CO may have been badly processed (say, with

chemicals) or of poor quality to start with. But when you talk about

feeling nauseous, that might be something else coming into play. When I

first started CO a few months back, I tried sampling it during the day, away

from other foods. I had a pretty bad reaction (including nausea) and only

then, when I went onto another list questioning my reaction, was I told that

I needed always to buffer the CO -- which is a strong, solvent-like

detoxifier -- with an equal amount of animal fat. I didn't have any

problems after that.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

When I take it, I take it on an empty stomach, right before I eat my

2 free range eggs. Yum!

> ,

>

> With a bad aftertaste, your CO may have been badly processed (say,

with

> chemicals) or of poor quality to start with. But when you talk

about

> feeling nauseous, that might be something else coming into play.

When I

> first started CO a few months back, I tried sampling it during the

day, away

> from other foods. I had a pretty bad reaction (including nausea)

and only

> then, when I went onto another list questioning my reaction, was I

told that

> I needed always to buffer the CO -- which is a strong, solvent-like

> detoxifier -- with an equal amount of animal fat. I didn't have

any

> problems after that.

>

>

> http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

,

I don't think everyone has to " buffer " CO. It probably depends on your

general health as well as the amount of CO you take -- both in one sitting

and during the day. But then, I'm not sure what you meant by saying you

took it on an " empty stomach " followed by 2 eggs. Fat doesn't go through

the stomach all that fast, and if you add in the eggs soon after -- which

have lots of animal fat -- you pretty much are doing the " buffer " thing.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

,

What was that other list you went onto to question your reaction?

I gave up coconut oil due to nausea and now I want to rexplore it. In

my case I'd sometimes take CO in hot water. In other cases I'd make a

basmati and chicken (or some other animal food) dish with canned

coconut cream. Nausea in both cases. Also, maybe as an aside, I went

to the herb store the other day and bought some liver herbs (I'm

healing from liver/gallbladder " stuff " ). I put some into a diffuser,

and let the herbs soak in a glass of (initially) hot water overnight.

I drank the glass the next morning and got pretty nauseas.

So, I'm getting to learn to heal my liver more gradually and with

smaller doses.

Thanks,

Sol

> ,

>

> With a bad aftertaste, your CO may have been badly processed (say,

with

> chemicals) or of poor quality to start with. But when you talk

about

> feeling nauseous, that might be something else coming into play.

When I

> first started CO a few months back, I tried sampling it during the

day, away

> from other foods. I had a pretty bad reaction (including nausea)

and only

> then, when I went onto another list questioning my reaction, was I

told that

> I needed always to buffer the CO -- which is a strong, solvent-like

> detoxifier -- with an equal amount of animal fat. I didn't have

any

> problems after that.

>

>

> http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Sol, Do you take Pancreatin when you eat fats? It really helps to take

digestive enzymes with meals. Hydrochloric acid will help a lot too. ~Robin

[Guest guest]

Sol,

<What was that other list you went onto to question your reaction?

I'm afraid that wasn't a list open to the general public. It's for people

on the Primal Diet who are there to support one another through detoxing,

the sharing of food sources etc. So it's only open to those who have read

at least one of the two books on the diet and are committed to the general

approach -- i.e., people who don't want to be arguing about or explaining

the basic principles.

<In other cases I'd make a basmati and chicken (or some other animal food)

dish with canned

coconut cream.

I'm too sensitive to metals to use any food from a can, and I'd be

especially cautious about CO -- because of its solvent-like properties. (It

used to be a main ingredient in soap until the soapmakers found cheaper

products.)

<So, I'm getting to learn to heal my liver more gradually and with

smaller doses.

Good idea!

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the reply. It's been a really long time since I've read any

of Aajonus' work. Please remind me what the healing mechanism of CO as

a solvent is. It sounds like CO, if it was once used in soap,

emulsifies fat. Does it act like bile?

Sol

> Sol,

>

> <What was that other list you went onto to question your reaction?

>

> I'm afraid that wasn't a list open to the general public. It's for

people

> on the Primal Diet who are there to support one another through

detoxing,

> the sharing of food sources etc. So it's only open to those who

have read

> at least one of the two books on the diet and are committed to the

general

> approach -- i.e., people who don't want to be arguing about or

explaining

> the basic principles.

>

> <In other cases I'd make a basmati and chicken (or some other animal

food)

> dish with canned

> coconut cream.

>

> I'm too sensitive to metals to use any food from a can, and I'd be

> especially cautious about CO -- because of its solvent-like

properties. (It

> used to be a main ingredient in soap until the soapmakers found cheaper

> products.)

>

> <So, I'm getting to learn to heal my liver more gradually and with

> smaller doses.

>

> Good idea!

>

>

> http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

Sol,

<It sounds like CO, if it was once used in soap, emulsifies fat. Does it act

like bile?

I'm working from memory now, which in my case isn't always reliable, so I

hope someone will jump in and correct me if I've got this wrong. The theory

is AV's (perhaps based on existing theories or studies not footnoted and/or

his personal experimentation) and applies to any fruit oil such as coconut

or olive oil. He sees these oils as cleansing (esp. the blood) as well as

softening and dissolving the internal scar tissue that is formed from dead

and " mummified " cells. In the past he only allowed fresh-pressed coconut

cream (although he has since found and approved of an unheated CO) and when

I did my consultation with him, he advised the cream, because of its strong

detoxifying powers, be taken only between noon and 5 pm. I don't know if the

oil would be considered as strong or stronger than the cream.

HTH

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