Re: Pima Pueblo Gum Disease Diabetes

[Guest guest]

>Anyone who would like to see gluten testing done here, like me?

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>http://www.altcorp.com/AffinityLaboratory/diabetes.htm

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>Studies in Pima and Pueblo Underscore Unhealthy Relationship Between Gum

>Disease and Diabetes

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>Wanita

Yeah, I sure wish I was single and rich ... starting a food movement

among the tribes would be a great thing! Though it would

be far better coming from a tribal member. I wonder what it

would take to get a grant to do that sort of study: get blood

and cheek swab samples and do a controlled study on

a GF diet?

The article is amazing though. That shows a whole new etiology

for diabetes! I know a woman whose family has such

amazingly lousy teeth that the 5-year-old is having regular

visits to have major work done (and yeah, of course I'm

slowly mentioning the gluten connection to her: they *don't*

eat a lot of junk food and actually have a decent diet, but

have no tooth enamel to speak of).

And my sister, who is gluten-intolerant but just recently

changed her diet, has huge pockets of gum infection

under her gums (though her teeth are basically ok).

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Heidi wrote:

> Yeah, I sure wish I was single and rich ... starting a food movement

> among the tribes would be a great thing!

Agree on the rich half! Tribes are constantly trying to get better quality

commodities.

>Though it would

> be far better coming from a tribal member.

Know a few contrary to Indian Health Service allopathy. I did write to email

address in the article. Will be surprised if I get a reply.

> I wonder what it

> would take to get a grant to do that sort of study: get blood

> and cheek swab samples and do a controlled study on

> a GF diet?

Would need a diabetes doctor I guess like Schwarzbein who is on one

Native American health board or a cultural anthropoligist maybe. There's

grant money that's been used to find Pima have no feast-famine gene ignoring

the U.S. Pima paradox vs. Mexico Pima. What's the difference? Diet.Which

foods?

>

> The article is amazing though. That shows a whole new etiology

> for diabetes!

Why shouldn't there be an autoimmunity attack where gluten first enters the

body? Like the alloxan in white flour that induces diabetes in mice,

destroying pancreatic beta cells isn't enough.

> I know a woman whose family has such

> amazingly lousy teeth that the 5-year-old is having regular

> visits to have major work done (and yeah, of course I'm

> slowly mentioning the gluten connection to her: they *don't*

> eat a lot of junk food and actually have a decent diet, but

> have no tooth enamel to speak of).

Malabsorption from phytate binding to calcium and magnesium alone can do a

job, nevermind if there's unknown intolerances.

>

> And my sister, who is gluten-intolerant but just recently

> changed her diet, has huge pockets of gum infection

> under her gums (though her teeth are basically ok).

Let me know how that responds. Pockets and inflammation should recede.

Wanita

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Wanita wrote:

>Know a few contrary to Indian Health Service allopathy. I did write to email

>address in the article. Will be surprised if I get a reply.

I rarely get replies: the gluten thing sounds too much like the

crazy fringies to the mainstream people. I do wish I had a PhD

after my name ...

>Would need a diabetes doctor I guess like Schwarzbein who is on one

>Native American health board or a cultural anthropoligist maybe. There's

>grant money that's been used to find Pima have no feast-famine gene ignoring

>the U.S. Pima paradox vs. Mexico Pima. What's the difference? Diet.Which

>foods?

Schwarzbein is an interesting case: she was diagnosed with celiac

at one point in her life but now figures it's all " carbs " . Which makes

me soooo frustrated. Esp. with evidence like the " two Pimas " .

And there is evidence out of Africa too, that some breeds of corn

cause damage to the colon, others don't. I like the " tooth moss

test " ... if I can eat a carb source and my teeth don't get " mossy " ,

then I figure it's an ok carb. Quinoa salad doesn't make

my teeth mossy, but soup with a spoonful of sugar in it does!

How fast do the bacteria have to grow on your teeth to make

them mossy half an hour after eating? The speed of THAT

reaction amazes me. And it would make sense that " mossy carbs "

would also increase gum disease?

>Why shouldn't there be an autoimmunity attack where gluten first enters the

>body? Like the alloxan in white flour that induces diabetes in mice,

>destroying pancreatic beta cells isn't enough.

Hmm. There probably IS an autoimmune attack (such as the canker

sores that a lot of people get, where the saliva accumulates). What isn't

clear to me is why the bacterial infection would increase

diabetes, when JUST the bacterial infection is treated.

I mean, if they went GF I could see why it would help, but

if they JUST take antibiotics or apply antibiotic paste,

that isn't really treating the cause, yet it still seemed to

help the blood sugar control.

>> And my sister, who is gluten-intolerant but just recently

>> changed her diet, has huge pockets of gum infection

>> under her gums (though her teeth are basically ok).

>

>Let me know how that responds. Pockets and inflammation should recede.

Actually in her case it's so bad she is having to have the bone

scraped. Nasty stuff. I keep having to remind myself that

at my age, Washington probably already had false teeth ...

her health hasn't improved as much as mine, but her diet

is mainly store-bought still.

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Heidi Jean